VN Ren'Py Completed A Promise Best Left Unkept [Bonus S2 Ep 9-11] [Hangover Cat]

[Revo]

We don't know yet and personally I don't really care, investing in a character's success after benefitting from their failures feels insincere. Aya's path will probably coincide with the "good" end and it seems unlikely that she'd quickly fall to Luca on Laura's route when she has her own dedicated one straight after. Basically, there is still hope for those who need it

who knows, there was a time when people thought illicit love was going to have at least a happy ending for the mc, now everyone is suggesting that the douche is the mc because he keeps cucking the mc and 2.5 out of the 4 girls the mc was seen have/are falling for the douche, and the mc is going to lose the third girl within a couple of chapters (fucking jihno), but as I say on another comment, I'm just there for the ride since ntr isn't my favorite genre. #vanillaharem
we can easily say that laura is probably out of the picture for the "good ending" since the based game is about her essentially getting corrupted by luka. aya, hard to say since I don't want to say she'll be part of it, but I also don't want to agree in some speculation since I don't want to get my hopes high for harry.

 

[Sumatra 3D]

I said everything that had to be said 3+ pages ago, no point on replying to your bibles trying to convince yourself that you like this game and aren't revenge reviewing the game like your friend that got banned from the thread

You got triggered by a simple honest review and immediately called me an attention seeking troll even though there are multiple reviews that said the same thing I said. This argument was laid to rest months ago both here and on the discord server but you got your panties in a twist because you couldn't handle one simple review. All this mental gymnastics, all these memes just because you can't get over a simple review yet when it's explained to you, your response is to stick your head in the sand and act like a 5 year old. The last 3+ pages wouldn't have happened if you hadn't been so triggered. Not my fault.

 

[ZUBiDAM]

You got triggered by a simple honest review and immediately called me an attention seeking troll even though there are multiple reviews that said the same thing I said. This argument was laid to rest months ago both here and on the discord server but you got your panties in a twist because you couldn't handle one simple review. All this mental gymnastics, all these memes just because you can't get over a simple review yet when it's explained to you to stick your head in the sand and act like a 5 year old. The last 3+ pages wouldn't have happened if you hadn't been so triggered. Not my fault.

because even if all choices lead to harry loses, laura broken, luca wins,
(which is a very general summery like i said) i don't see a problem with it, different routes can lead to the same destination, just adding different scenes is already good enough.
and even then the game is under development with a good ending planned, also of the 4 current endings, they don't all end with luca wins
( clumsy hero)

 

[ktez]

You got triggered by a simple honest review and immediately called me an attention seeking troll even though there are multiple reviews that said the same thing I said. This argument was laid to rest months ago both here and on the discord server but you got your panties in a twist because you couldn't handle one simple review. All this mental gymnastics, all these memes just because you can't get over a simple review yet when it's explained to you, your response is to stick your head in the sand and act like a 5 year old. The last 3+ pages wouldn't have happened if you hadn't been so triggered. Not my fault.

Mental gymnastics? The ones you are doing to look like you liked this game? haha I call you an attention seeking troll because you are and are known to be on this thread, nothing new

 

[Sumatra 3D]

Mental gymnastics? The ones you are doing to look like you liked this game? haha I call you an attention seeking troll because you are and are known to be on this thread, nothing new

because even if all choices lead to harry loses, laura broken, luca wins,
(which is a very general summery like i said) i don't see a problem with it, different routes can lead to the same destination, just adding different scenes is already good enough.
and even then the game is under development with a good ending planned, also of the 4 current endings, they don't all end with luca wins
( clumsy hero)

Whatever helps you two sleep at night.

 

[rhcp725]

I'd argue that even in the clumsy ending Luca wins. His goal is to destroy Harry. That goal was accomplished. Though he may have become a martyr for his cause he still succeeded in the end. He just wasn't around to enjoy it.

 

[BangB420]

Yaaaawn, while you 'ntr fans' complain about which ntr is good or not, Luca already came twice in Laura. Just facepalm and move on.

 

[rhcp725]

Let's see if i can make a general concept to prove a point about variety. So if in one path Luca slaps Laura with his right hand and in another he uses his left it makes it different. Regardless of the actions though being similar yet different have the same result of Laura getting slapped. The point being that just because it veers in a slightly different direction the result remains the same.

Now the problem we have is that the choices are presented as do something or don't yet both end up with the same result. So making the choice ends up meaning nothing. So if the choice has do i slit Luca's throat yes or no the rational outcomes would be Luca dead or alive. Yet by the way things are handled here It doesn't matter because Luca will win regardless choice be damned.

 

[desmosome]

Let's see if i can make a general concept to prove a point about variety. So if in one path Luca slaps Laura with his right hand and in another he uses his left it makes it different. Regardless of the actions though being similar yet different have the same result of Laura getting slapped. The point being that just because it veers in a slightly different direction the result remains the same.

Now the problem we have is that the choices are presented as do something or don't yet both end up with the same result. So making the choice ends up meaning nothing. So if the choice has do i slit Luca's throat yes or no the rational outcomes would be Luca dead or alive. Yet by the way things are handled here It doesn't matter because Luca will win regardless choice be damned.

In your mind, the only result that would be different would be some non-NTR happy end. Most people who enjoy NTR will consider different NTR situations as different results. Normal 1 had NTR reveal ending. Normal 2 had the oblivious NTR ending. Those are different endings while both being NTR. You are beating a dead fucking horse. Maybe it's time to go join your friend Slappy in that other thread.

 

[ZUBiDAM]

Let's see if i can make a general concept to prove a point about variety. So if in one path Luca slaps Laura with his right hand and in another he uses his left it makes it different. Regardless of the actions though being similar yet different have the same result of Laura getting slapped. The point being that just because it veers in a slightly different direction the result remains the same.

Now the problem we have is that the choices are presented as do something or don't yet both end up with the same result. So making the choice ends up meaning nothing. So if the choice has do i slit Luca's throat yes or no the rational outcomes would be Luca dead or alive. Yet by the way things are handled here It doesn't matter because Luca will win regardless choice be damned.

the problem is that you think it should lead to a different result, i played his previous game and assumed all routes except maybe two good endings with each girl will lead to Luca's absolute victory.
I'm not playing this game to see a different outcome of harry loses luca wins, i want to see the routes story and content, the suffering and humiliation in harry pov, and the hot scenes and story with corruption of the heroines.

 

[SharkVampire]

I'm not sure my opinion will be valid here, since it's become more of a personal matters. But I had my big post where I also mentioned a good ending for Harry, where he could break up with Laura. It's also safe to say, that I have seen other people in this thread, who like NTR and still wanted that ending too.

The example with game that would be called "How to kill Harry" it's not a good one, IMO. There is big amount of works that sounds like it's about one thing and then it turns out about another one. And it's actually the most common way in games that has different endings. Yes, you could kill Harry 10 in different ways, but you also could add a secret ending, where you actually speak with him and in the end you decide to spear his life. Hell, it even can be the true ending, as some kind of philosophical message from the dev (Like everything you needed is to understand each other. It's blunt, I know, but it's just an example), that give you his piece of mind. I saw such games and it was cool.

As for the APBLU, I have seen devs previous work and it felt more like a kinetic novel. The only choice you had was at the very end, but they all led to a bad ending. I figured it's just the way this author work with his stories. I didn't really like his previous game, but I did not tell anything in that thread, because I just decide it's not for me. Yet I gave his new game a try, expecting to see similar things here, but ended to like it much more for other things that he did. Of course, I had my expectations for different outcomes, when the dev actually introduced choices for the player. I thought they could lead to more interesting endings than what I've seen so far. But at the same time, I understand that, people who are fans of this genre probably just would not have appreciated it. If more than one ending would be not about Harry's suffering. Although I wouldn't give this game 3 stars like Sumatra 3D did and in my personal opinion, this game deserves a solid 4. But as I said in my big post, I don't consider myself a fan of the NTR genre, so I may just not grasp what fans really appreciate about this work.
But at the same time, I think I can talk about more neutral things, and in general express my opinion without claiming that the developer is necessarily wrong and should have done things differently.

 

[ktez]

Did you just tag them to help you win argument on internet after calling me that I'm collecting points?
We know them, lost souls hunting this thread unable to move on. You know some of them openly even admited that they don't like NTR....


I respected your plea but you are clearly desperate here to win this argument while calling others triggered. We have as much right to review your review as you had right to write one to begin with. Move on if you don't like it none will tag you if you don't make new posts going in circles over and over.
And btw I'm done with showing you arguments because you don't understand them. You did a strawman fallacy on my example and called it a victory.

The common denominator on these guys: ' I don't consider myself a fan of the NTR genre ' right after reviewing a NTR game, wondering why people see them as trolls

 

[Sumatra 3D]

Did you just tag them to help you win argument on internet after calling me that I'm collecting points?
We know them, lost souls hunting this thread unable to move on. You know some of them openly even admited that they don't like NTR....


I respected your plea but you are clearly desperate here to win this argument while calling others triggered. We have as much right to review your review as you had right to write one to begin with. Move on if you don't like it none will tag you if you don't make new posts going in circles over and over.
And btw I'm done with showing you arguments because you don't understand them. You did a strawman fallacy on my example and called it a victory.

I tagged them so they could see the stupidity of Ktez calling them my alt accounts but sure keep being obtuse.

 

[desmosome]

I'm not sure my opinion will be valid here, since it's become more of a personal matters. But I had my big post where I also mentioned a good ending for Harry, where he could break up with Laura. It's also safe to say, that I have seen other people in this thread, who like NTR and still wanted that ending too.

The example with game that would be called "How to kill Harry" it's not a good one, IMO. There is big amount of works that sounds like it's about one thing and then it turns out about another one. And it's actually the most common way in games that has different endings. Yes, you could kill Harry 10 in different ways, but you also could add a secret ending, where you actually speak with him and in the end you decide to spear his life. Hell, it even can be the true ending, as some kind of philosophical message from the dev (Like everything you needed is to understand each other. It's blunt, I know, but it's just an example), that give you his piece of mind. I saw such games and it was cool.

As for the APBLU, I have seen devs previous work and it felt more like a kinetic novel. The only choice you had was at the very end, but they all led to a bad ending. I figured it's just the way this author work with his stories. I didn't really like his previous game, but I did not tell anything in that thread, because I just decide it's not for me. Yet I gave his new game a try, expecting to see similar things here, but ended to like it much more for other things that he did. Of course, I had my expectations for different outcomes, when the dev actually introduced choices for the player. I thought they could lead to more interesting endings than what I've seen so far. But at the same time, I understand that, people who are fans of this genre probably just would not have appreciated it. If more than one ending would be not about Harry's suffering. Although I wouldn't give this game 3 stars like Sumatra 3D did and in my personal opinion, this game deserves a solid 4. But as I said in my big post, I don't consider myself a fan of the NTR genre, so I may just not grasp what fans really appreciate about this work.
But at the same time, I think I can talk about more neutral things, and in general express my opinion without claiming that the developer is necessarily wrong and should have done things differently.

No man. Most people are not babies who cry about an author producing a story that fails to match their preferences perfectly. It's not a hard concept. If most of the endings were some melancholic or poignant one with a hopeful tone, most players would accept it as a fitting ending. The journey to get there was full of satisfying NTR corruption and shit, so it would have been a worthy NTR game regardless. The most braindead thing about all this bitching is that the game isn't even complete yet. The way I see it, the ending you are thinking of (break up, move on, and heal) actually has a pretty high likelihood of being one of the Good Endings. But if not, well tough shit. Plenty of people, and the author apparently, likes the more devestating conclusions to NTR.

How hard is it to not be an entitled twat, really? Crying about routes is seriously one of the most childish behavior. "Waaah, what about my route~~" Come on...

That last bit wasn't directed at you specifically, or even to the people in this thread. It's a general statement regarding any game, regardless of tags.

 

[SharkVampire]

No man. Most people are not babies who cry about an author producing a story that fails to match their preferences perfectly. It's not a hard concept. If most of the endings were some melancholic or poignant one with a hopeful tone, most players would accept it as a fitting ending. The journey to get there was full of satisfying NTR corruption and shit, so it would have been a worthy NTR game regardless. The most braindead thing about all this bitching is that the game isn't even complete yet. The way I see it, the ending you are thinking of (break up, move on, and heal) actually has a pretty high likelihood of being one of the Good Endings. But if not, well tough shit. Plenty of people, and the author apparently, likes the more devestating conclusions to NTR.

How hard is it to not be an entitled twat, really? Crying about routes is seriously one of the most childish behavior. "Waaah, what about my route~~" Come on...

That last bit wasn't directed at you specifically, or even to the people in this thread. It's a general statement regarding any game, regardless of tags.

To be honest, I don't see anything bad when people asking the dev for the route they want. But if the dev answer that it's go against his plans, vision, you should accept it, because it is the only way for people to produce truly unique creative works, and so it will not turn into a conveyor belt, that is in popular demand. If you are a true fan, it's only natural that you will want a particular ending for your favorite characters, but if you respect the author, you should accept his wishes.
You can of course remain dissatisfied with his decision, but most importantly, do not press him for it.

 

[ktez]

Considering you were the one who tagged me first and started this whole debacle over a review, I'd say you're the troll.

The debacle of you coping is the only debacle I've seen hahaha, I'm not the one going to a game with tags I don't even like to revenge review and write bibles of text asking for a NTR route, you and your 2-3 friends that don't like NTR are the only attention seeking trolls here.

Just to prove my point: This dude came to review the game with 1 star after liking your replies to make people arguing mad, a literal attention seeking troll. Oh! You liked his review! What a surprise!

He can't relate to harry! That's so sad, lets give the game 1 star because he can't relate to the dude being cheated on HAHHAHAHAHHAHAH
Sumatra 3D



Making you look like a clown is as easy as looking for reviews that you liked. You like reviews from people that don't really like NTR. WHAT A SURPRISE! Sumatra 3D CLOWN

 

[drowsy]

Let's see if i can make a general concept to prove a point about variety. So if in one path Luca slaps Laura with his right hand and in another he uses his left it makes it different. Regardless of the actions though being similar yet different have the same result of Laura getting slapped. The point being that just because it veers in a slightly different direction the result remains the same.

Now the problem we have is that the choices are presented as do something or don't yet both end up with the same result. So making the choice ends up meaning nothing. So if the choice has do i slit Luca's throat yes or no the rational outcomes would be Luca dead or alive. Yet by the way things are handled here It doesn't matter because Luca will win regardless choice be damned.

Oh my god it doesn't fucking matter, the main plot of this game has already happened, the story is pretty much over, the branching paths were never advertised as leading into some different narrative entirely, and you people complaining over this need to get a fucking life and find a different game to play.

Honestly at this point my advise to the dev of this game would just be: wrap it up. What has been given to us is already (for people who are genuine fans of this genre of NTR I mean) good enough for 5/5 stars, no need to add elaborate ending paths which add nothing to the actual story.

 

[Terix3]

Why shouldn't BaDIK have the NTR route that I want? Seriously. Tell me why.

Edit:
Meh, since this guy didn't want to humor me in my attempt to walk him through the baby steps, I'll just get to the point.

Saying this game could have been like a BaDIK with NTR should mean that the reverse is also fair criticism in your mind. BaDIK is a branching story with a bunch of vanilla routes that are all "the same." This game is a branching story with a bunch of NTR routes that are all "the same." If having a bunch of NTR endings in an NTR game is a bad thing, what about having a bunch of vanilla routes in a vanilla game?

Like you have to have some next level entitlement to expect a dev that is predominantly interested in NTR scenarios to make a bunch of routes they don't feel like. In fact, bitching about the direction of the story in any game while coming back after every update is some unexplainable behavior. If you think the routes are all shit, you give your 2 cents and move on to something worth your time.

Funny enough it would make objectively better story if it would have. I don't even mean it as a kink but simply if the chicks would hook up with someone else if you don't pursue them. That would make sense and wouldn't really be NTR. But we all know that the sensitive crowd would go batshit crazy , riot , review bomb and probably worse. Like what happened with Subverse - there is no romance there, you just fuck some sluts and you have gallery where you can view whatever you fancy. But the crazy were going on rampage, I remember watching some news coverage and one of top comments "This game is for cucks, don't buy unless you want to get cucked".

 

[ktez]

Funny enough it would make objectively better story if it would have. I don't even mean it as a kink but simply if the chicks would hook up with someone else if you don't pursue them. That would make sense and wouldn't really be NTR. But we all know that the sensitive crowd would go batshit crazy , riot , review bomb and probably worse. Like what happened with Subverse - there is no romance there, you just fuck some sluts and you have gallery where you can view whatever you fancy. But the crazy were going on rampage, I remember watching some news coverage and one of top comments "This game is for cucks, don't buy unless you want to get cucked".

Don't you ever think about adding a NTR route to a vanilla game like that, if people like Sumatra 3D likes to cry on NTR games I don't even want to think about how much he would complain if there was a full NTR branch on that one, he would make multiple threads a day until the dev removes the route completely like the clown he is.

 

[GiGiGus ニクヤセベ!]

The development of the thread about the game is more productive than the develompent of the actual game itself. Heh. Anyway, I think Laura's theme is... Exhausted? Regardless of given choises. The only thing that can help her route is Joker Luca for the lulz. Until then, i'll be waiting for Aya's Renaissance.