VN Ren'Py Completed A Promise Best Left Unkept [Bonus S2 Ep 9-11] [Hangover Cat]

[Terix3]

What? mods can edit your post and there won't be any note that it has been edited by mods? Amazing

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I replied to this with example applying same logic to a more relatable situation with the intention of exposing fallacy of this assumption. Mr Mod went out of his way to edit my post removing that. I can only guess it was misunderstood as attack on gay kink because of the other post quoted.

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The thing is I was part of previous discussion about cum eating and I made a comment about kissing. It is my post being referenced here, however it was not what i said. My words are being twisted, the user pretends to not understand why I brought up kissing and finally I'm being gaslighted to have gay tendencies in the context of the sub-quote because of something I did not say.
I chose not to address that in my original reply because I'm done discussing with that user and i can't prove it is my post being referred to begin with. (it was deleted as a off-topic clean up not because i deleted it)

Now it appears I have sparked discussion about how you enjoy NTR, please don't take my OG comment as comprehensive.

 

[Terix3]

I literally don't know where else to write this because I think only people on this forum could understand me. Ofc no one irl even knows I'm on this site.

I really like NTR as a genre. But not because it shits all over the male mc. I genuinely at most times couldn't be bothered with the cuck at all. Its usually the scaffolding of having a long term relationship that makes the woman being corrupted do it for me. It's a higher fall from a greater positive to blisteringly negative.

For context I've played pretty much 80% of all NTR games on dlsite (especially the untranslated ones). So I'm at least experienced in this when I say...

This game is too real for me. I do not mind if anyone wants to keep playing/supporting this game. I even think it's an excellent game. But I think I've finally found the one NTR game that fucks with my soul so deep I can't get off on it.

Harry isn't really like most comatose (Kubel) or brain dead (Oneone1) NTR mcs. He's an actual dude who's working his way up the corporate ladder and doing his best to get a great life for his lover.

Laura surprised me deeply as well. I was actually disappointed when she suddenly gave in and decided to break up with Harry all of a sudden. I know the NTR tropes are still waving their god like power over her but it just felt like bad writing. Of course it turned out she was just acting all according to keikaku and fucking murdered lucas jesus fuck!

After getting that ending a part of me felt dead inside. I immediately booted out and deleted the game. I don't really know why I wrote this. Just to vent I guess. Thanks for listening.

Again, feel free to keep enjoying it. I think its a great game. I just can't anymore for personal reasons.

I have addressed this in the past : many will need to revise what they actually like about NTR. It is very common for people to complain about writing in NTR games, Japanese ones especially. But this game puts that to test. It is one thing to enjoy NTR when the story is dumb, characters are not believable and not invoke real compassion. It is another when they do.

It is however rather strange that It was clumsy hero ending that got you dead inside, among all available endings this one had a path open to reconciliation.

"most comatose (Kubel) or brain dead (Oneone1) NTR mcs." - hmm in Kubel NTR was very weak and Oneone1 games are corruption rather than NTR , those translated to English anyway. (Kagura sure is taking their time with Vandalism, will be second anniversary this June)

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I think it's really hard to go heavy on NTR and tell a real story, and I think this story suffers from trying to do both. It's impossible to take Laura and Harry's relationship issues seriously when she's getting hypnotized by magical NTR dick and he's imitating Stevie Wonder half the time, and it's impossible to take the game-development-business-world stuff seriously when Laura is dressing like a stripper and Luca is shouting inappropriate things in the office.

Oh i think the problem here is that he is taking things seriously. Girl succumbing to dick is one of fundamentals of NTR, i don't think it takes away from their relationship being relatable. There was a building up to why Luca can do whatever he pleases in the company and ... let me remind you of events at Blizzard if you think Luca shouting crap makes you not take the geme-develipment-business seriously.

 

[ginelofki]

any teaser?

 

[Aria]

I have addressed this in the past : many will need to revise what they actually like about NTR. It is very common for people to complain about writing in NTR games, Japanese ones especially. But this game puts that to test. It is one thing to enjoy NTR when the story is dumb, characters are not believable and not invoke real compassion. It is another when they do.

It is however rather strange that It was clumsy hero ending that got you dead inside, among all available endings this one had a path open to reconciliation.

"most comatose (Kubel) or brain dead (Oneone1) NTR mcs." - hmm in Kubel NTR was very weak and Oneone1 games are corruption rather than NTR , those translated to English anyway. (Kagura sure is taking their time with Vandalism, will be second anniversary this June)

Oh i think the problem here is that he is taking things seriously. Girl succumbing to dick is one of fundamentals of NTR, i don't think it takes away from their relationship being relatable. There was a building up to why Luca can do whatever he pleases in the company and ... let me remind you of events at Blizzard if you think Luca shouting crap makes you not take the geme-develipment-business seriously.

You're right. I ignored the basic NTR tropes when considering how I felt about the writing. It's not like I'm saying the writing is perfect or anything. In this case it just hit me just in the right spot. Especially since its not the actual cuckolding I like but the corruption and "stockholme" syndrome.

"Oneone1 games are corruption rather than NTR" Does anyone remember dark elf and killing time being some of the OG NTR rpgm games? Pepperridge farm remembers.

Yes I'm referencing their games from 8 years ago. I've played NTR for that long. Even I was surprised that a random renpy game that I took up cause it had the tag animation would be the one that makes me die inside of all things.

 

[Terix3]

You're right. I ignored the basic NTR tropes when considering how I felt about the writing. It's not like I'm saying the writing is perfect or anything. In this case it just hit me just in the right spot. Especially since its not the actual cuckolding I like but the corruption and "stockholme" syndrome.

"Oneone1 games are corruption rather than NTR" Does anyone remember dark elf and killing time being some of the OG NTR rpgm games? Pepperridge farm remembers.

Yes I'm referencing their games from 8 years ago. I've played NTR for that long. Even I was surprised that a random renpy game that I took up cause it had the tag animation would be the one that makes me die inside of all things.

!oh i forgot about that game. But again that is not really good ntr game. If memory serves me right they are not a couple but she rescues the kid and then he travels with her because he has nowhere to go. There was no secrecy, cheating , her recognizing him as beloved, pretty much one sided love till you get the good ending where they become couple.
I didn't play killing time since it is only MTL, i don't consider that English.

I'm playing NTR games for long time myself, the game that broke me was Amor Magical Academy i remember well. But i got through it and developed immunity as result

 

[Aria]

!oh i forgot about that game. But again that is not really good ntr game. If memory serves me right they are not a couple but she rescues the kid and then he travels with her because he has nowhere to go. There was no secrecy, cheating , her recognizing him as beloved, pretty much one sided love till you get the good ending where they become couple.
I didn't play killing time since it is only MTL, i don't consider that English.

I'm playing NTR games for long time myself, the game that broke me was Amor Magical Academy i remember well. But i got through it and developed immunity as result

Oh shit dude are we best friends or what? TBH the earlier parts of Amor were kinda hard on me till the ending parts where I could netori the girls back and forth. That made it all ok. I think the following two games becoming netorase is kind of a shame. Feels super pointless and the girls pretty much fall immediately.

"But again that is not really good ntr game." Yeah I know but as a padawan at the time I had to start...somewhere right? Those are literally some of my first NTR games...I think it was either Minako or To H that was my first though...can't remember which.

 

[Lara Snow]

Aria I'm just tagging you and not quoting because I want to just give you a general answer. I haven't played much NTR games as you did but I have enjoyed the genre in other media just as long. I think we like NTR for similar reasons (And I hate when we are told women can't enjoy it and only dudes with a cuck complex do). Just, if I may add: I think Harry is the worst scum, that's where we disagree. He is nice on the outside, but his insides are so filled with toxicity I hate the guy. I want him to suffer. Luca I do not care at all either, he's just the forniture dick who provides the dick. For me is all about Laura's (And hopefully Aya's in the future) corruption.

There are some points Lucas makes that I fully agree and I feel so hot for, altough, even them, I do not care about him, he is just fullfilling a role. I would have prefered a black chad for that role then I might have cared for him a bit more lol. But that's another subject.

 

[Aria]

Aria I'm just tagging you and not quoting because I want to just give you a general answer. I haven't played much NTR games as you did but I have enjoyed the genre in other media just as long. I think we like NTR for similar reasons (And I hate when we are told women can't enjoy it and only dudes with a cuck complex do). Just, if I may add: I think Harry is the worst scum, that's where we disagree. He is nice on the outside, but his insides are so filled with toxicity I hate the guy. I want him to suffer. Luca I do not care at all either, he's just the forniture dick who provides the dick. For me is all about Laura's (And hopefully Aya's in the future) corruption.

There are some points Lucas makes that I fully agree and I feel so hot for, altough, even them, I do not care about him, he is just fullfilling a role. I would have prefered a black chad for that role then I might have cared for him a bit more lol. But that's another subject.

I don't disagree with you objectively about Harry. Then again most cuck MCs have to be written in a certain way that allows the situation to even happen. This game just happened to hit me in the right subjective way for it to feels bad man. I got hit so hard I started playing the demon lord avant garde game for some plain corruption that has no NTR tinge to it.

 

[Artiour]

I literally don't know where else to write this because I think only people on this forum could understand me. Ofc no one irl even knows I'm on this site.

I really like NTR as a genre. But not because it shits all over the male mc. I genuinely at most times couldn't be bothered with the cuck at all. Its usually the scaffolding of having a long term relationship that makes the woman being corrupted do it for me. It's a higher fall from a greater positive to blisteringly negative.

For context I've played pretty much 80% of all NTR games on dlsite (especially the untranslated ones). So I'm at least experienced in this when I say...

This game is too real for me. I do not mind if anyone wants to keep playing/supporting this game. I even think it's an excellent game. But I think I've finally found the one NTR game that fucks with my soul so deep I can't get off on it.

Harry isn't really like most comatose (Kubel) or brain dead (Oneone1) NTR mcs. He's an actual dude who's working his way up the corporate ladder and doing his best to get a great life for his lover.

Laura surprised me deeply as well. I was actually disappointed when she suddenly gave in and decided to break up with Harry all of a sudden. I know the NTR tropes are still waving their god like power over her but it just felt like bad writing. Of course it turned out she was just acting all according to keikaku and fucking murdered lucas jesus fuck!

After getting that ending a part of me felt dead inside. I immediately booted out and deleted the game. I don't really know why I wrote this. Just to vent I guess. Thanks for listening.

Again, feel free to keep enjoying it. I think its a great game. I just can't anymore for personal reasons.

I was reluctant to write something in here but reading what you wrote gave me some courage
so unlike you irl I have told some friends I play adult games (not what genres tho), basically because I dont watch porn videos (at all) so this is the subject I bring when we talk about porn (you can't be the mc when watching videos). that reminds me, I started reading on literotica before finding porn games exist

anyway, to explain what kind of NTR I like I have an example from the game PA time lapse,

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, so basically no non-consensual what so ever, or degrading the mc for that matter.

so imagine when I closed the game (very early in the game), not to remove it (which is what I do when I encounter non-consensual), but to remove the patch I use to rename characters and play like I'm just a watcher

it was a very heavy experience, as I forced myself to keep reading thru while screaming at the characters and calling them names, and occasionally lie down close my eyes and start having deep thoughts about what kind of "I don't know what" I'm reading.

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I have so much to criticize and also few things to appreciate but right now I can't even look at the game's posture, so maybe later

 

[Aria]

I was reluctant to write something in here but reading what you wrote gave me some courage
so unlike you irl I have told some friends I play adult games (not what genres tho), basically because I dont watch porn videos (at all) so this is the subject I bring when we talk about porn (you can't be the mc when watching videos). that reminds me, I started reading on literotica before finding porn games exist

anyway, to explain what kind of NTR I like I have an example from the game PA time lapse,

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, so basically no non-consensual what so ever, or degrading the mc for that matter.

so imagine when I closed the game (very early in the game), not to remove it (which is what I do when I encounter non-consensual), but to remove the patch I use to rename characters and play like I'm just a watcher

it was a very heavy experience, as I forced myself to keep reading thru while screaming at the characters and calling them names, and occasionally lie down close my eyes and start having deep thoughts about what kind of "I don't know what" I'm reading.

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I have so much to criticize and also few things to appreciate but right now I can't even look at the game's posture, so maybe later

I haven't played that game as I have a preference for Japanese style drawings over 3DCG but I'd say however you feel about is valid.

 

[NTR Sommelier]

Many people who think they are fans of NTR are actually fans of corruption instead. I don't mean this as an attack on anyone but is important that we wave the correct definitions regarding each genre. The essential aspect of NTR is the suffering of the cuck. That's it. It doesn't have to be extreme, as long as there is a feeling of loss and sadness for having your partner stolen that is NTR. The corruption aspect in this context is meant to enhance the experience but is not strictly necessary, you could have a 100% MC cuck POV narrative and as long the MC sees his partner being stolen and suffers for it that is enough to classify it as NTR.

 

[rangabang]

Many people who think they are fans of NTR are actually fans of corruption instead. I don't mean this as an attack on anyone but is important that we wave the correct definitions regarding each genre. The essential aspect of NTR is the suffering of the cuck. That's it. It doesn't have to be extreme, as long as there is a feeling of loss and sadness for having your partner stolen that is NTR. The corruption aspect in this context is meant to enhance the experience but is not strictly necessary, you could have a 100% MC cuck POV narrative and as long the MC sees his partner being stolen and suffers for it that is enough to classify it as NTR.

I believe the corruption aspect is still a key part of NTR.
Just because it doesnt focus on the cuck doesnt mean its not netorare
There are plenty of series where the girl gets sexually corrupted, and if she has a significant other, I see that as NTR even if the cuck doesnt show himself

As a side note, there are series where the cuck and the girl arent in a relationship where the cuck has unrequited feelings, when the girl gets taken by the bull, technically its not NTR since the cuck and girl were not together.

However I still see it as NTR, I believe the feeling of a lost relationship contributes to NTR

The way I see it, NTR is the feeling of loss, not a specific definition. But hey thats just me.

 

[NTR Sommelier]

I believe the corruption aspect is still a key part of NTR.
Just because it doesnt focus on the cuck doesnt mean its not netorare
There are plenty of series where the girl gets sexually corrupted, and if she has a significant other, I see that as NTR even if the cuck doesnt show himself

As a side note, there are series where the cuck and the girl arent in a relationship where the cuck has unrequited feelings, when the girl gets taken by the bull, technically its not NTR since the cuck and girl were not together.

However I still see it as NTR, I believe the feeling of a lost relationship contributes to NTR

The way I see it, NTR is the feeling of loss, not a specific definition. But hey thats just me.

寝取られ is always defined from the perspective of the person who is being stolen from. A story focused solely on the partner is a corruption story, not netorare. As for your point regarding relationship status it has been established that as long as the protagonist has feelings for the other character and is the other is stolen, this is NTR, it doesn't matter if they have a "official" relationship or not. Recently some people have been starting to use the term BSS to refer to this specific situation though.

 

[Aria]

寝取られ is always defined from the perspective of the person who is being stolen from. A story focused solely on the partner is a corruption story, not netorare. As for your point regarding relationship status it has been established that as long as the protagonist has feelings for the other character and is the other is stolen, this is NTR, it doesn't matter if they have a "official" relationship or not. Recently some people have been starting to use the term BSS to refer to this specific situation though.

What is BSS and how do I not know this term after so many years of being here.

Also I did say I'm technically more a fan of corruption haha. It just makes it better in NTR because the fall is higher and the antagonist is much more of someone that no one could ever love unless they had magic dick.

I believe the corruption aspect is still a key part of NTR.
Just because it doesnt focus on the cuck doesnt mean its not netorare
There are plenty of series where the girl gets sexually corrupted, and if she has a significant other, I see that as NTR even if the cuck doesnt show himself

As a side note, there are series where the cuck and the girl arent in a relationship where the cuck has unrequited feelings, when the girl gets taken by the bull, technically its not NTR since the cuck and girl were not together.

However I still see it as NTR, I believe the feeling of a lost relationship contributes to NTR

The way I see it, NTR is the feeling of loss, not a specific definition. But hey thats just me.

Actually I don't think corruption is a key part of NTR. I enjoy corruption first and foremost, and there are many NTR games/doujins I always skip over because there's no corruption involved. Either the wife is raped due to usual NTR reasons but she never changes her mind even sexually or the wife has always been a slut and just NTRs the dude because she can. I always skip those.

 

[Artiour]

corruption is when there is a mechanic of opening more sexual scenes which is like in most of the games in here
now that they changed the NTR tag to netorare maybe some alike tags are coming like netorase or something

 

[rangabang]

Either the wife is raped due to usual NTR reasons but she never changes her mind even sexually

Pretty sure thats just rape lmao

But true there are ntr without corruption, I guess what I want to say is that corruption is a key part in a GOOD ntr

 

[Lara Snow]

Are there? To me that's just cheating. Not saying is not hot though.

 

[rhcp725]

Corruption is the NTR version of the slow burn Vanilla game.

 

[Terix3]

I was reluctant to write something in here but reading what you wrote gave me some courage
so unlike you irl I have told some friends I play adult games (not what genres tho), basically because I dont watch porn videos (at all) so this is the subject I bring when we talk about porn (you can't be the mc when watching videos). that reminds me, I started reading on literotica before finding porn games exist

anyway, to explain what kind of NTR I like I have an example from the game PA time lapse,

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, so basically no non-consensual what so ever, or degrading the mc for that matter.

so imagine when I closed the game (very early in the game), not to remove it (which is what I do when I encounter non-consensual), but to remove the patch I use to rename characters and play like I'm just a watcher

it was a very heavy experience, as I forced myself to keep reading thru while screaming at the characters and calling them names, and occasionally lie down close my eyes and start having deep thoughts about what kind of "I don't know what" I'm reading.

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I have so much to criticize and also few things to appreciate but right now I can't even look at the game's posture, so maybe later

Your example sounds like netorase, but I'm not sure if it is even that - it doesn't feel like those characters are more than fuck buddies. If there is any ntr there i would call it very weak.

You had those reactions not because writing is bad but because it is good. You would have disregarded the events as unbelievable and not get emotionally invested. This feels like another person "flew too close to the sun".


@ What is essential to NTR, i believe it is only one thing : for there to be relatable emotional connection between the characters that is being put at risk. Now some say it is ok for it to be one sided, others don't care there is no mention of that connection but a mare possibility of its existence makes title ntr and finally some say that not about emotional connection but the violation of personal space that marks ntr. I disagree with those but there you have it.

 

[Deleted member 4937290]

I'm pretty sure there are threads to discuss these things, talk about the game or shut up please