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huaji01

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He added it in because much like this time, he put up a poll for it, and a bunch of people voted for it.

He doesn't like writing good endings in NTR content, not in general. Based on his overall posts, he genuinely likes content where the hero overcomes adversity and comes out on top and so on... but he feels that this sort of story-line is incompatible with NTR. He also doesn't believe that the contrast others people see actually adds anything to a NTR VN and the core target audiences for NTR. Hell, it's why the Aya endings, which are overall fairly positive for Harry, even if not for Laura, exist. Because Aya took life in his head and beat his writing muse until she came out on top every time.

At least, that's what I got from the long posts he has over there on the subject. Personally, I don't care either way. I'm here for smut and moral degeneration, the NTR part isn't particularly relevant either way.

Also, Aya's Route will be about as long, if not a little longer than Laura's, based on HC's assessment so far. They don't know for sure, but there's definitely a need for buildup, both for Harry and Aya to grow genuinely closer and for Luca to have the time to actually fuck things up. There's going to be a lot less choices, possibly none at all if there's only going to be the one bad ending.
I want to know if this poll is referring to whether the ending of Aya's route is a good ending or if it is about whether there should be a good ending added among the multiple endings in Aya's route. Because if Aya's route is as long as or even longer than Laura's route, it is highly unlikely to have just one ending.
 

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I want to know if this poll is referring to whether the ending of Aya's route is a good ending or if it is about whether there should be a good ending added among the multiple endings in Aya's route. Because if Aya's route is as long as or even longer than Laura's route, it is highly unlikely to have just one ending.
Here's the whole post from Patreon. Make of it what you will, but from what I'm reading, there really WILL be just one ending, or two if the Good Ending thing wins.

Meaningful Poll: Should Aya's route have a good ending?

EDIT: Just so we're clear, it's either no good ending (no), or one good and one bad ending (yes).

Now that everyone had the chance to play the first update for Aya's route, I guess I should give her the same chance that I gave Laura at the beginning of hers. There might still be a few people here who were there at the time, but just to put it in context, at the beginning of A Promise Best Left Unkept, I ran a poll to see if people were interested in a good ending. The good ending did win at the time, though there were a lot fewer people supporting me then than there are now.

I'll reiterate what I said at the time; I personally don't see NTR as being compatible with good endings in general. My perspective has not changed since. Of course, that's just my opinion, and I might find out down the line that I'm wrong. I mean, there are a lot of creators who are much more creative than I am, and there may be a way to make a good ending elevates the NTR, but for now, I don't see it. If I'm ever to play around with good endings to accentuate the NTR, it will probably be in a smaller project.

I won't lie, at the moment, I'm planning Aya's route as a straight line. I'm not bothering with branching the stories in multiple paths like I did with Laura's route. I've still made sure that there were ways in which I could branch it out if I ever want to, or if people really desire more of APBLU. I just feel like there's a diminishing return with people's interest in the story, and we might very well be past it already. Still, adding a choice that branches the story between a good and a bad ending should be relatively easy to implement… I think.

I just want to make sure, also, that people understand what I mean by 'good ending'. There's no way that I'm adding an ending where there's no NTR. There will be NTR no matter what. The question is just whether she gets fully corrupted or not. I think the Clumsy ending is a good example of that.

So yeah, I hope you enjoyed V0.1.0 of her route. There were fewer people who supported me this month… but for now, I won't worry too much.
 
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Chinel

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Just my cents.

People misunderstand what 'good ending' means.
So.

NTR really by definition cannot have a good ending, even when the MC has their comeuppance, that is what a lot of people seem to misunderstand, but that I, as a sadist, can see.

When someone mentions moral corruption...the sex thing does not hits me.
Now one in which a good man or someone who could be a good man becoming a Complete Monster at worst or a Cynical POS?

Yes! Yes! They are now dangerous, it is a presence who can kill and destroy. There is only the pleasure of suffering upon all and the denial of happiness over everyone, including MC and the villain, where the villain comes out with less and with far more pain than before...

Why I would like an ending where everyone just gets fucked over? In which Harry comes out traumatized further, in which Laura is broken in the worst, most dark way possible, at almost suicidal level, Aya falling deeper into the darkness she wished to avoid using Harry and truly becoming an horrible monster and Luca ultimately coming out far more wounded, sadder, and pathetic than before?

Because it fits to what NTR is. Which is Misery Porn. That is why I think most NTR authors should explore the idea further. No one wins, everyone loses, pain is shared, nothing is learned. All for nothing, but hey!

Sex scenes still!


That even applies for a 'Harry Revenge' ending.

Why? Because at the end of the day, what MC is doing is to share his pain and hate on those who pushed pain and hate on them. That is not a good ending at all when you stop to think about it. He didn't get any happier, he just made them feel pain in exchange and the tale ends with everyone becoming a sad sack of crap.

Luca could be happy with such results...except the idea is he losing as well.
 
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abirvg

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It is, but Aya's route is basically its own game, not a direct update to this one, so his answer to the question is correct.
I meant everything we have here - since he asked in this thread I assumed he doesn't have access to the patreon.
Perhaps I misunderstood what he meant, though...
 

xcalibar4

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I didn't understand what Laure wants Harry to understand. Can anyone explain it to me. I read through some of the post but still didn't get it. What I see is all 4 characters are fucked up in head from the beginning. I don't think she wanted him to understand that she is not as perfect as he thinks she is. I think at this point she is already corrupted but haven't realized it yet. Cause Luca may have influenced her at this point. And I think she is the most depraved of them all.
 

Heranwen

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So, how long is this game? I'm in the part Harry finds out that Luca and Laura are going out with the co-workers thinking he was crazy and now he confronts her, but she doesn't seem to acknowledge their previous relationship.
 

NewTricks

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Yeah, Aya/Harry's characters are in a bit of a hole if we want the same type of NTR to work. One viable route HC could take is voluntary NTR on the part of Aya/Harry (or Netorase).

Aya has a strong personality, but both Laura and Harry have very weak personalities. This is what Luca would exploit. (Also clarification before my example, haven't played .1 of new Aya update, and been awhile since I've started just gallery skimming Laura updates.)

Rough example scenario:
(Aya/Harry are now together, and Harry broke up w/ Laura. Luca takes initiative to 'repair' relationship with Harry, while trying to look for weaknesses.)

- Harry starts receiving various explicit videos. Starts w/ regular porn, then over time shifts into bull/cuck porn.
- Luca mentions receiving the same videos in the office, tries to convince him to keep watching. At the same time, Luca tells Aya that Harry may have 'fetishes' that he won't reveal to her.
- If Harry continues watching Aya catches him, plants a seed of doubt.
- She talks about it with Luca, and Luca tells her they can continue testing him. Maybe give him a gift to show that she doesn't mind. Aya shuts him down, saying she won't do anything with him. Luca backpedals, saying they can use a substitute, ease him into it, and suggests using Laura.
- Luca seduces Laura, and records videos for Harry using her, but w/ Aya involved (maybe over the phone at the start, then in person later.) Aya sees that Harry is watching/jacking off to the videos, so she continues.
- Dress up Laura as Aya, do more explicit 'pretend NTR video'.
- They take a break. Maybe choice here could be Harry stops cold turkey, or picks back up jerking off to NTR vids.
- Aya catches him again. Convinced that this is what he wants, SHE decides to work w/ Luca again to record gift for their anniversary (or some other holiday).
- Balls in Luca's court now and he wants to escalate between him and her, leaving Laura out of it.
- Eventually continue into real sexual contact between Luca/Aya based on how Harry messes up/any exploits Luca finds over time.
- As Harry continues watching videos, starts getting suspicious. (Whether he acts on his suspicions could lead to different endings.)


Obviously, this scenario wouldn't be perfect and I'm probably forgetting some plot details that would leave gaping plot holes, but I do think following the same path where Aya is treated as weak as Laura will lead to some very unsatisfying paths.
Waitaminute. Isn't this just the plot the The Girlfriend Tapes?
 

Boobitz

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Waitaminute. Isn't this just the plot the The Girlfriend Tapes?
I mostly just made a quick template for a Netorase experience based on what I remember of this game's story, so it may be similar. I've honestly been on a bit of a netorase binge recently which is why I thought about the opportunity here for it with Aya's strong personality.
 

Terox34567

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Hey guys just tell me, Aya's path started or not cause in 1.0 update I don't see any new aya scene with luca, isn't her corruption started yet
 

WhiteFireDaemon

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I'm very curious to see if the Aya DLC is going to be bundled into the game like actual expansion or if it's going to end up being released as a separate game launcher.
 

ZUBiDAM

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I'm very curious to see if the Aya DLC is going to be bundled into the game like actual expansion or if it's going to end up being released as a separate game launcher.
for now version apblu-aya 0.1 is on patreon as a separate installation.
it will probably be on steam only when completed, not sure if it will be merged with aplbu part 1 or stay as a separate game launcher.
i assume it will take at least a year until completed, it's supposed to be around the same size as part 1 but with less endings.
 
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