It's good here, but it doesn't meet its potential without player agency attached to it. It would take a LOT of work, but I love the idea of building an NTR game around branching choices about adding/removing rules. From either a netori perspective, picking and choosing what rules to use against the woman, or from a netorare type B perspective with a "resist orgasm/corruption" mechanic for the woman.
I kind of see the rules system as a missed opportunity since they are all hard-coded and Laura's failure is inevitable. So it adds a little flavor but leaves a bad aftertaste. Like you said, having the player choose rules and have the consequences be what changes the course of the story might have been better than having Harry pick from two equally dumb decisions at random points in the story. I think that the main reason why it wasn't the case is that it would make Laura seem too much like the protagonist and Harry just a supporting character, which is still true if you ask me. Laura drives the story and Harry is pretty much just along for the ride.
After reading a lot of cheating stories on reddit and reading illicit love (fun ride with the power golden sun) I have disconnected myself from the self insert type ideology, I just feel bad for them. Not saying I enjoy ntr like everyone else, but I also don't hate it I like some aspects of it (I think is netori the one that steals the girls) feel free to laugh at me.
I'm just tagging you to be a simp and ask where is the of link? because if that waist is you in that banner I'll be throwing my money at it xD
I do see where you are coming with that, I love the aspect of corrupting girls, but I don't like the idea of those girls going to other man (game wise), so I can comprehend where you are coming with that
The game that I'll see the mechanics play out for a game like that, would be involving mini games/quick time event and day system for either male or female. For the male, you have a mini game where the goal is to max her orgasm bar. For the female, you have a quick time event to "prevent" your orgasm and I use quotations since most if not everyone wants her to be corrupted, so it'll be pointless to developed a mini game system if you want her to be corrupted as the story goes, but the difference will be is that the more you sleep with the guy, the harder/faster the qte will become for the fmc. Regarding the time management, how the system will be effective would depend on the rule. As, meet me at night only wearing a collar and coat, or were a skimpy outfit for work where people can see your underwear and send a photo at your desk wearing the outfit, and so on.
Honestly, when the game was on its early stages, I thought that the it would be possible at least choose laura rules, but that didn't happen, and I thought it the chance of (maybe) not having a hard ntr story, but I was wrong. I'm not complaining I'm just sharing my thoughts at the time, and just like you and the other person, I thought this game had more choices and branching paths.
Making choices from Laura's POV would be a bit of a bitch to implement using this mystery format. Harry is constant across either mode and his version of events always comes first
I've always thought that the idea of 'self-inserting' was more of meme insult by 'edgy boys' to criticize people who are capable of basic empathy.
). In ABLU, Harry is sympathetic enough in most routes to achieve that, but it's increased by the fact that he's surrounded by genuinely shitty people: Luca, a bully from Harry's past who is infatuated with the idea of making him suffer, and Laura, a headcase who claims to love Harry, but then betrays his trust and over-punishes him for his shortcomings in almost every ending so far. ) as either Laura or Luca because you relate to them in some way, then you despise Harry and want him to suffer more.
That's the reason i'd usually like to have at least 1 ending where their games falls. Most of the times i despite more the morally-twisted girl, overpunishing her lover for one small thing he did ( compared to her shit), rather than the actual villain/bully. It may even be the ending i like the least, but i love to have it for some karma/justice purposesLike you, I don't 'self-insert' when I read an NTR story, but if the MC is written well enough, and the story draws me in, I'll end up feeling bad for him (and consequentially, enjoying the NTR more for some reason
I love Laura and Luca's character designs for the NTR scenarios they create, but, outside of those scenarios, I despise them for who they are as people and naturally want to see their plans fail.
It would be very expensive to have art to cover all the variations and it would be hard to write story to hold it all together. So the only option would be to give illusion of choice which would make players unsatisfied anyway. HC answered why we will not get to chose rules already.
For me the pure ending enhances the corruption aspect that is why I always play it first. RIPThat's the reason i'd usually like to have at least 1 ending where their games falls. Most of the times i despite more the morally-twisted girl, overpunishing her lover for one small thing he did ( compared to her shit), rather than the actual villain/bully. It may even be the ending i like the least, but i love to have it for some karma/justice purposes
I personally don't hate villain characters in fiction. Sure in a moment to moment action I will want them to lose but there is no lasting emotion. Often enough they are victims of circumstances - like a kid that suffers abuse grows to be abuser - sure they are abuser in this story but it is fiction, right? So we can make another piece of fiction where they get help at the right time and not become abusers.I've always thought that the idea of 'self-inserting' was more of meme insult by 'edgy boys' to criticize people who are capable of basic empathy.
Like you, I don't 'self-insert' when I read an NTR story, but if the MC is written well enough, and the story draws me in, I'll end up feeling bad for him (and consequentially, enjoying the NTR more for some reason
I love Laura and Luca's character designs for the NTR scenarios they create, but, outside of those scenarios, I despise them for who they are as people and naturally want to see their plans fail.
However, if you 'self-insert' (
This expands on the conversation about people coming to NTR for different things. People who come to NTR are also capable of different things. Personally, I'm not capable of seeing characters like Laura and Luca in a sympathetic light. Those who are capable of that will never be able to see eye-to-eye with people like me, nor we with them.
...Which is why I don't bother arguing much.
The reason for a villain's actions doesn't matter. The moment they turn their pain outward and begin to harm innocent people, they no longer deserve sympathy or compassion. The just deserve to be dealt with. We can listen to their traumatic past after they stop causing trauma for other people.
No. Seeing a good character suffer will naturally induce compassion. Most normal people like seeing the bad guy get what they deserve and suffer for their wrong-doings.
...If you feel sympathy for someone who hurts innocent people (ie. a villain), then you need therapy. Just like those women who were sending Ted Bundy and Charles Manson love letters while they were in prison.
Let me start with reminder that we talk about fiction.The reason for a villain's actions, their personal sob story, doesn't matter. The moment they turn their pain outward and begin to harm innocent people, they no longer deserve sympathy or compassion. The just deserve to be dealt with.
Now, if they do something great to redeem themselves, then maybe they can get some sympathy points.
No. Seeing a good character suffer will naturally induce compassion. Most normal people like seeing the bad guy get what they deserve and suffer for their wrong-doings.
Case in point: Not a tear was shed when Darth Vader killed Emperor Palpatine, dude. However, people did feel sympathy for Darth Vader, even though he was a villain, because he redeemed himself and showed some goodness by killing the emperor.
...If you feel sympathy for someone who hurts innocent people (ie. a villain), then you need therapy. Just like those women who were sending Ted Bundy and Charles Manson love letters while they were in prison.
Roll eyes. So basically anyone christian needs therapy ?...If you feel sympathy for someone who hurts innocent people (ie. a villain), then you need therapy. Just like those women who were sending Ted Bundy and Charles Manson love letters while they were in prison.
What you're talking about is called retconning. Rewriting a character after the fact to try and change who they were in the original story.
Terrible example.
It wasn't sophism. It was a joke. Hence the
at the end. Why so serious?This was just a reasoning why I don't hate fictional characters. More so in story with choices that are simply limited by what author can realistically cover.
One thing this is not hating fictional characters another is being able to feel compassion for them.
Satan is not a person it is the source of all evil. We are also not talking about average person but a goal, an ideal. The ideal is to be able to forgive everyone everything, to feel compassion for your tormentors because somewhere there in their life that seed of evil was placed in them. Meanwhile you have called for therapy.
I agree but this is not what we are discussing here. We are not talking about situation where the evil person is suffering as result of their action, not a situation where sane person could say "This has befallen me because i did bad things". No, we are talking about suffering caused by unrelated events, suffering that they may cause them to do more bad things, finally suffering that often comes before they could be even be classified as bad person.
I believe this to be rather serious subject, not to mention that joke was placed after pretty serious accusation. Maybe it was not the best place to joke?It wasn't sophism. It was a joke. Hence the
when I started getting into manga and anime I felt that I was self inserting a lot mostly because I was trying to run away from reality.... but everything changed when ntr nation attacked lolI've always thought that the idea of 'self-inserting' was more of meme insult by 'edgy boys' to criticize people who are capable of basic empathy.
Like you, I don't 'self-insert' when I read an NTR story, but if the MC is written well enough, and the story draws me in, I'll end up feeling bad for him (and consequentially, enjoying the NTR more for some reason
I love Laura and Luca's character designs for the NTR scenarios they create, but, outside of those scenarios, I despise them for who they are as people and naturally want to see their plans fail.
However, if you 'self-insert' (
This expands on the conversation about people coming to NTR for different things. People who come to NTR are also capable of different things. Personally, I'm not capable of seeing characters like Laura and Luca in a sympathetic light. Those who are capable of that will never be able to see eye-to-eye with people like me, nor we with them.
...Which is why I don't bother arguing much.
I wouldn't spend too much time thinking too hard about Harry's character. I haven't played the most recent update, but I've had it thoroughly spoiled for me and it sounds like Harry's character development throughout the entire story gets completely thrown out the window in the name of reaching a 'porn logic' ending.
What you like is called 'Netori'. Here's a good example of a Netori game:
I agree with you.I haven't played the since the vanila ending and i played only from Harry's perspective.But i follow the forum and read the spoilers so i keep in touch with the game and it felt that as main character is mediocre.
