RPGM A Struggle with Sin [v0.6.0.0c] [Chyos]

[Chii]

Just because of lot games use the exact same method doesn't mean it's right. .

This is something devs and gamers have gotten very wrong for a very long time.

Rights and wrongs are relevant when you're discussing facts, not opinions. You liking/disliking something doesn't make it wrong or vice versa.
The dev envisioned a MC who gets the idea to renovate his house (which is a whim) after seeing that he was able to upgrade Emily's (which was a necessity). This is hardly the only situation, or even game where (sub-)quests are interlinked and based of of each other and I see nothing wrong with it.

 

[Apartment817]

Just because of lot games use the exact same method doesn't mean it's right. Just like many people can be wrong about something until someone points out the right way to them. It was a major reason I stopped playing the actual video games ages back due to how crap and samey they all were. So I don't understand why you're surprised by this.

You can't tell that you are wrong about this, even though it has been pointed out to you.

Look at the name of the game "a STRUGGLE with sin" Chyos doesn't want the player to have the benefits of a house without being heavily involved with both Emily and Mira. The MC has to chose between one or the other, or jump through more hoops to get involved with both. That entanglement happens through building Emily the orphanage. Getting involved with both is playing with the SIN aspect of it. You could complete remove any temptation of being entangled with Emily / Mira, Penny / Henry, or Kate / Claire if you could just concentrate on getting enough cash to get the keys to your house, then only have to worry about the coin needed for your house. Getting the need for the orphanage is related to the reward of having your own house.

You are literally crying about rewards in a game coming at a price. If you could just renovate your house right away, why even have to renovate it in the first place? Why not already have it with a good bed, bathroom, kitchen and maid quarters? Why stop there, why not just already have the Orphanage stocked with 20 beds from the very beginning?

You don't have to like the game, no one is saying that. But it is extremely laughable that you don't realize that it was thoroughly planned out. That it was just bad programmed without Chyos realizing at, but since you came along he will realize that error and fix it?

Have you played this game at all? Look at what it takes to get into Carmen's pants, or to complete the monastery, max out your Merc's, etc. This game is built on labyrinths of triggers that flip switches that are unrelated in the micro but fit together in the macro.

You don't have to like it, and you can keep not playing, this game is clearly not for you. But it really is wrong headed to think your complaints happened by accident. They are the game that Chyos is making. It is apparent in every aspect of the game. You can't get the mines open without having saved Emily from the bandits. You can't have sex with Verena without getting Corven a rabbit's foot. Hardly any reward happens without a whole bunch of unrelated things happening first.

 

[Apartment817]

-_- I swear no matter how many times I see "Penny wasn't able to fully pay her taxes, so she had to dip into her personal amount" it physically pains me, especially after already dropping over 300 into her chest! either way this is just a personal issue I keep having because it's easy asf for me to keep getting gold to donate, but I really do hope we can do something about the Mayor and his brat son soon! At the very least that'd at least make it a little bit less annoying.

Same for me, I have the chicken coop stocked. I keep her stocked in wheat, and she always has a full load of vegetables to take to Lucien, yet I still get that notice every other month or so... I ignore it, knowing her savings is full, but yet I feel that twinge as well.

 

[Ottoeight]

Same for me, I have the chicken coop stocked. I keep her stocked in wheat, and she always has a full load of vegetables to take to Lucien, yet I still get that notice every other month or so... I ignore it, knowing her savings is full, but yet I feel that twinge as well.

You have to sell eggs, bro. Every day.

 

[Apartment817]

You have to sell eggs, bro. Every day.

To Lucien? How does Penny then get the money? Is there something to do with the livestock? I see the notices but don't ever do anything about it? I'll probably just keep her chest full and ignore the micro managing, but I am interested in the intended mechanic.

 

[Nighthumper123]

Who is Dwain?. This dude just barge over your camp and what does he want?

 

[Apartment817]

now i have athia asking me to renovate house but how any idea chios

Okay Budman, I will talk you through this.

So you have Athia asking you to renovate your house? Not her room? Where is she located? Is she still by the tavern by day and church by night? Or is she in your house's storage room?

Where are you at with renovating Emily's house into a Orphanage? Is the second floor built including just one bed?

Have you made any renovations to your house?

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A few times I have made the mistake of having placed an order with Roderic for twenty beds for Emily, before having asked him to complete my house. If he is still making beds for Emily he won't be available to make renovations to the MC's house until his order is complete.

I have never seen Athia ask for me to renovate my house. But I have also never aligned with her, I always align with Isha (Gwen). I also have never watched her get mistreated outside the church until I have my house fully built. I don't get prompted to renovate her room until after she has moved into my storage.

If she is in your storage, then the only thing keeping Roderic from furnishing her room would be if he is still working on orders.

If she is at the Tavern / Church and you haven't made any renovations to your house, you need to go to Emily's guide to see how to get the Orphanage built, after it is built you can then renovate your house.

 

[Ottoeight]

To Lucien? How does Penny then get the money? Is there something to do with the livestock? I see the notices but don't ever do anything about it? I'll probably just keep her chest full and ignore the micro managing, but I am interested in the intended mechanic.

Nope. You just check how many eggs are in the coop. Pick them up and put them in another basket: Penny will sell them.
(you won't see anything: you just have to keep on clicking on the chicken coop and decide how many eggs you want to pick up and sell).

 

[Apartment817]

Who is Dwain and what does he want?

Did you mean to post this here? I am pretty sure there aren't any Dwain's in this game.

 

[Budman 1959]

Okay Budman, I will talk you through this.

So you have Athia asking you to renovate your house? Not her room? Where is she located? Is she still by the tavern by day and church by night? Or is she in your house's storage room?

Where are you at with renovating Emily's house into a Orphanage? Is the second floor built including just one bed?

Have you made any renovations to your house?

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A few times I have made the mistake of having placed an order with Roderic for twenty beds for Emily, before having asked him to complete my house. If he is still making beds for Emily he won't be available to make renovations to the MC's house until his order is complete.

I have never seen Athia ask for me to renovate my house. But I have also never aligned with her, I always align with Isha (Gwen). I also have never watched her get mistreated outside the church until I have my house fully built. I don't get prompted to renovate her room until after she has moved into my storage.

If she is in your storage, then the only thing keeping Roderic from furnishing her room would be if he is still working on orders.

If she is at the Tavern / Church and you haven't made any renovations to your house, you need to go to Emily's guide to see how to get the Orphanage built, after it is built you can then renovate your house.

thanks she is in my storage room

 

[Apartment817]

thanks she is in my storage room

There should be an option to ask Roderic to make a room for Athia. The option isn't there until Athia has moved in.

Just a heads up about a thing that has tripped me up a few times. If you don't trigger her to make you a dinner, you can give her a good meal each day which will raise her affection, you only need to get it to ten. That way you can do it on your own time and not commit to eating at your place at 4 to 6 pm.

But in order to get her to cook you have to make sure the fire under your pot is lit, and then when you talk to her and she asks for food, you tell her its her job to cook.

Also, make sure you have taken a bath so you know its up and running, then you need to tell her that she can take a bath.

Where I have forgot how it works a few times is that I have taken a bath, then followed her quest up to where it says to take a bath with her, but she never gets in the bath, it's because I hadn't gone to her room and told her she can use it.

If she is going upstairs after dinner instead of the bath, its because she hasn't been told yet.

Also, also, a lot of her late stage quest items require waiting a full 24 hours before its available without it saying to wait a day. Like after a bath it will say "confront her in her room" you can go to her room, and talk to her, but the actual confronting won't be available until the following night.

 

[Budman 1959]

There should be an option to ask Roderic to make a room for Athia. The option isn't there until Athia has moved in.

Just a heads up about a thing that has tripped me up a few times. If you don't trigger her to make you a dinner, you can give her a good meal each day which will raise her affection, you only need to get it to ten. That way you can do it on your own time and not commit to eating at your place at 4 to 6 pm.

But in order to get her to cook you have to make sure the fire under your pot is lit, and then when you talk to her and she asks for food, you tell her its her job to cook.

Also, make sure you have taken a bath so you know its up and running, then you need to tell her that she can take a bath.

Where I have forgot how it works a few times is that I have taken a bath, then followed her quest up to where it says to take a bath with her, but she never gets in the bath, it's because I hadn't gone to her room and told her she can use it.

If she is going upstairs after dinner instead of the bath, its because she hasn't been told yet.

Also, also, a lot of her late stage quest items require waiting a full 24 hours before its available without it saying to wait a day. Like after a bath it will say "confront her in her room" you can go to her room, and talk to her, but the actual confronting won't be available until the following night.

could only get her to 8

 

[Budman 1959]

could only get her to 8

no option for the carpenter

 

[VirtualElf84]

Have you increased all of the farm, chicken house, mill and continue giving her vegetables?
I'm pretty sure I was making a profit by the second month in game

Yep, and it stopped saying it immediately after I posted my comment xD dat timing! Still though, like I said it was a personal issue-like an OCD issue-I just didn't like seeing. It felt like a slap in the face for just trying but it worked itself out so it's all good now! Devs have gone outta their way to bring the nightmare of the realism behind paying taxes into this game with her content, and I gotta say I am A LOT more impressed than frustrated with it so good for them!

 

[Apartment817]

no option for the carpenter

By carpenter you are talking about Roderick and not his son Rick (your friend) right?

What options do you have with Roderick, what shows up when you saw, "commission something", "for my House" what is there? What does he say after you say "furniture for my house"?

Do you have the second floor of your house built? The kitchen, bathroom, your bed? Did you get the candles from Lucien?

 

[VirtualElf84]

By carpenter you are talking about Roderick and not his son Rick (your friend) right?

What options do you have with Roderick, what shows up when you saw, "commission something", "for my House" what is there? What does he say after you say "furniture for my house"?

Do you have the second floor of your house built? The kitchen, bathroom, your bed? Did you get the candles from Lucien?

I think they're referring to how we still can't complete renovating our swanky new mansion. I kinda get it but also kinda don't, mostly because Rick keeps flaking midway through each time but I DID steal his crush from him, so I can't give the dude too much crap for it! Still though, pride really does make a man wanna see his hard work to completion.

 

[Apartment817]

I think they're referring to how we still can't complete renovating our swanky new mansion. I kinda get it but also kinda don't, mostly because Rick keeps flaking midway through each time but I DID steal his crush from him, so I can't give the dude too much crap for it! Still though, pride really does make a man wanna see his hard work to completion.

Scroll back a few pages, Budman has Athia in his storage room and he can't get her room furnished. He is struggling with that.

It is ironic that it is happening at the same time that Spankymcspanky is airing his grievance with not being able to renovate the MC's house before completing the orphange.

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I see Rick's always flaking as a bit of Chyos stretching the suspension of disbelief a bit. Chyos wants the player to get extra struggled with having to complete it alone, hungry and passed out by its completion, and not having any warning that its going to happen. Chyos accomplishes this by having Rick flake, it is a touch unrealistic.

 

[packor]

No I wasn't. I was asking that things make sense.

And role playing has nothing to do with a structure system. This is something devs and gamers have gotten very wrong for a very long time.

events happen as time progresses. In RPG's, the time progresses as you "trigger" them by activating the preceeding event; makes sense to me. It's a narrative, and the STORY is progressing as it should. You want to be able to pick and choose things instead of them being part of a story/other restricting factor. That is a SANDBOX.

 

[Chii]

Yep, and it stopped saying it immediately after I posted my comment xD dat timing! Still though, like I said it was a personal issue-like an OCD issue-I just didn't like seeing. It felt like a slap in the face for just trying but it worked itself out so it's all good now! Devs have gone outta their way to bring the nightmare of the realism behind paying taxes into this game with her content, and I gotta say I am A LOT more impressed than frustrated with it so good for them!

Penny's update is definitively one of the highlights in this game's recent history
I don't remember any other that felt more satisfying to play/go through

 

[mspman]

Hello All

I thought I saw at least a posted picture of Helena and Yasmine together with the implication the MC did a threeway with them.

Is this possible, and if so how do you do it? In my game Yasmine is A11, C11 and Helena is A16, C21.
when trying to join them in the living room it says you can't they are busy.

curious minds want to know