RPGM A Struggle with Sin [v0.6.1.1b] [Chyos]

[Samsul Hidayat]

Alright guys. Once again you asked, I deliver.
A Struggle with Sin [v0.5.2.0a]

Ok time for a quick changelog:

• New interaction for Tia at the camp (her tent is at the bottom left)
• 1 new animation for Lyvia in her tent (if you did her other content you can change position there), 1 new scene with Lyvia at the trainingfield (sharing)
• You can complete Lyvia's quest around the Raven. (2 new maps)
• 1 reworked 2 new animations for Yasmine.
• Some new equipment, some new enemies...
• Bugfixes, everything you reported

Mega

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Tis the newest version, yes?

 

[haywire_hero]

I did, I even successfully rescued her the second time. (the first time I pay ransom instead)
Still no bandit disguise.

Did you talk to Lyvia before or after you rescued Emily the second time?

 

[Solak]

I did, I even successfully rescued her the second time. (the first time I pay ransom instead)
Still no bandit disguise.

Not sure paying the ransom actually progresses the quest. In other words, you have rescued her only once atm. You've rescued her, nice. Now let her get captured once more and MC should say something like "enough is enough".

Try this and come back if that didn't work.

 

[Tehemai]

But alignment works as MC going against his own morale code, at some Options he even mentions that.
And based on his alignment some of his replies change indicating his change of heart.
I wouldn't say that every choice that raises alignment would do so in my morale code, though the opposite can be said aswell.

Well I can agree to that and I didn't steal from people who helped me so far and my score is still 72 (after choosing to bury the dead etc.)
The game only host the high alignment playstyle currently, if you want to be a goodie 2 shoes you won't come far and close yourself out of a shitload of content that comes with MC AND Girls corruption, wether a "Good" Playstyle would offer Options for the same content is highly arguable as MCs power allow him to bend people perception of religious and social stigmas.

You can only steal Gold once a week and once Pia helps Thomas with the finances you'd enable him to exploit her for NTR by stealing from him. The MC is supposed to slowly grow more corrupt as he isn't really a bad guy at the start of the game... makeing ends meet by stealing is nothing he is proud of, but it helps him getting a headstart by reorganising his live, he is not attempting a career change as Bandit or thief.
Wine and wood are rather useful early on as they are required for several Events, once you have a stable income and Options to get stuff yourself those stealing Options loose any meaning.

Well I don't think we agree much on the morality bit as relying on MC's scripted morality seems kind of a cop out way to do it. But that aside, outside of ntr lovers, the type of choices we're presented comes off more along the lines of "I need to pointlessly stomp this puppy for evil points" scenarios. The choices being given largely have very little benefit to you. It's not like sabotaging a rival vying for the same girl. You're not given evil points for killing Dasan in front of his mother. Or stealing Kate from under Rick's nose.

Instead it's rewarding often counter intuitive things like drugging your already willing girlfriend, serving girls that like you up for ntr or stealing the most worthless items from friends. Senseless stuff to prove your "evilness" to the game merely for access to the completely unrelated choices you actually want. It's more of a complete lack of wisdom check than a moral one. I myself did not set out to play a good guy even before I knew it wasn't viable. It just made itself a hurdle with how poorly made the evil farming choices were.

Wine and wood while useful is hardly such a scarce precious resource. Two regular trees is basically like robbing the whole village. You can find plenty of things just laying on the ground that are worth more. Deers respawn and those are like 1.4 gold in meat alone. Wine and wood are like the cheapest most accessible resource in the game. There's virtually nothing you can do in this game that yields less of a reward than stealing wood and wine.

I also already proposed a simple easy method of making sure that if anything, it's less abusable than the current system during the early stages of the game. Abuse is just straight up not a problem, if anything implementing this helps resolve that existing issue.

 

[Ottoeight]

Yea I'm aware that dosing girls is a good way to do that, but not everyone wants to go around dosing innocent people. That's why I say, it's just a roleplay hurdle. It's really easy to essentially max out benefits in a week for people that don't care who they wrong. But needlessly punishes some moral roleplay options the game goes out of its way to give you.

If it merely respawned sensibly like enemies and other resources, you could skim profits from people like Thomas and Giron every week. Instead of preying daily on the innocent farm girl you're trying to get the love route on.

Man, what the hell are you talking about?

Sometimes I wonder why some players aren't able to grasp what the corruption points mean. Are they for real? are they trolling us? aren't they able to understand what's written in the dialogues?

It really baffles me.

As I wrote, if you want to pursue Penny's love path you just have to start giving her cumwine after Harry's back. Reason: if you helped her before the dude is back, you should have raised her love points a lot.

Good Grief, it is fucking damn simple, you know:

- you started raising love points before you started raising corr points & love points > corruption points = you're in the love path
- you started raising corr points before you started raising love points & corruption points > love points = you're in the corruption path

Anyway, are you telling us that having oral and anal sex is evil? are you telling us that everytime a chick is blowing our MC, he's forcing her into an evil act?

Because THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE TELLING US.

 

[zARRR]

Ok so mow that has been release I’ll also talk about the “Raven searching”, so spoilers feedback ahead:


What I did not mention in the feedback post was the Raven dungeon, I liked it and I liked the idea of a randomized dungeon with enemies, traps, obstacles and secret treasures to find.
What I did not like was the random tiles of the swamp that or the lack of other solutions for the cliff.
Chyos stated that he wanted to put more treasures, obstacles and more solutions to avoid them, and also caves, enemies et cetera but as always “time reasons”.
And as our first randomized dungeon I would say it was enjoyable for the long run and after you understand its characteristics you kinda wish it was more complex.

Last but not least, this section is left to the player to uncover, to understand how it works, how to gain hints, what your mercenaries do in et cetera.
And while at first I got annoyed on how the mechanics worked looking it now I would say that they were fair, being in an harsh location, in the territory of the Raven having no clue on what to do or how to progress made me feel anxious, but in a good way.

Also that was one of the reasons why I asked Chyos to put Frank as a hint man, while I understand the choice of letting the player discover by themselves how the world works, I would say giving the option to a desperate clueless player to have some hints doesn’t hurt (people who wants just to fap can get the cgi rip tho).
Also Frank yes can die, an hint man should be immortal but not in this case, you left Frank to die?
You don’t get any hints you heartless worm

 

[Tehemai]

Anyway, are you telling us that having oral and anal sex is evil? are you telling us that everytime a chick is blowing our MC, he's forcing her into an evil act?

Because THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE TELLING US.

I think you missed the point entirely. That's not what I'm telling you, that's what the game is telling us. It's factually irrefutably not a corruption bar. It's an alignment bar, of which stealing is one of the main ways to raise it. That's an act of general evil, not the corruption fetish. And as it is, this alignment bar is all kinds of tied up with ntr fetish, drugging fetish and even basics like entire characters and positions like oral and anal. Which pressures people into nonsensical options they would not otherwise select that are completely unrelated to the options they're actually trying to access.

Currently it's a bad system, that's kinda why I recommended that QoL work around to help alleviate that issue if he wants to keep it largely as is. It's obviously unfinished, so I reserved some judgment on the whole thing by instead making this quick fix suggestion.

And I don't know why you're getting all worked up about this. I swear, you can't give any constructive criticism these days in these game threads without a stranger jumping down your throat as if you blasphemed against their fetish gods. Not trying to take anything away from you dude.

Edit: Also, it seems you may have conflated me with someone else? I never asked about the penny love path, I already know how to do it and it's not something that I've remotely taken issue with.

 

[Grayking666]

Ok so mow that has been release I’ll also talk about the “Raven searching”, so spoilers feedback ahead:


What I did not mention in the feedback post was the Raven dungeon, I liked it and I liked the idea of a randomized dungeon with enemies, traps, obstacles and secret treasures to find.
What I did not like was the random tiles of the swamp that or the lack of other solutions for the cliff.
Chyos stated that he wanted to put more treasures, obstacles and more solutions to avoid them, and also caves, enemies et cetera but as always “time reasons”.
And as our first randomized dungeon I would say it was enjoyable for the long run and after you understand its characteristics you kinda wish it was more complex.

Last but not least, this section is left to the player to uncover, to understand how it works, how to gain hints, what your mercenaries do in et cetera.
And while at first I got annoyed on how the mechanics worked looking it now I would say that they were fair, being in an harsh location, in the territory of the Raven having no clue on what to do or how to progress made me feel anxious, but in a good way.

Also that was one of the reasons why I asked Chyos to put Frank as a hint man, while I understand the choice of letting the player discover by themselves how the world works, I would say giving the option to a desperate clueless player to have some hints doesn’t hurt (people who wants just to fap can get the cgi rip tho).
Also Frank yes can die, an hint man should be immortal but not in this case, you left Frank to die?
You don’t get any hints you heartless worm

I wanna have a worst ending playthrough one day.

 

[nanno345]

How to accross the pit at the forest?

 

[zARRR]

How to accross the pit at the forest?

You click the part of the pit that is nearest to the other land, then you roll the dice for dexterity.
It also says in the dialogue something like: “I need to find another way” or similar that hints you to jump over on another side

 

[zARRR]

I wanna have a worst ending playthrough one day.

But that’s unrelated to my feedback post tho.
You are already having a worst ending route tho, I am betting your girls have paid houses to all the psychiatrists around

 

[nanno345]

and how to find the raven camp? I just walk around the forest and don't see anything?

 

[pussyhunter33]

Try the mega or mediafire link

 

[zARRR]

and how to find the raven camp? I just walk around the forest and don't see anything?

And how to actually understand the game’s mechanics and read the dialogues instead?
It’s not that hard c’mon, if many succeeded and even I without asking questions or checking the walkthrough so you can do

Mercs can make go up the search bar, defeating ambushes make go up the search bar, finding dead brigands make go up the search bar, you have to get the search bar up tp 100 to find the Raven

 

[Gizmogobum]

I've seen some equate becoming more corrupt in this game to becoming more evil. I don't see it. If we go by DnD alignment Gwen isn't evil she is at most chaotic neutral. Look up Calistria in the pathfinder elven pantheon is almost the perfect example.

Off the top off my head the only truly evil deed you could do is stealing from Penny. Stealing from the inkeeper? He is an asshole that essentialy blackmailed Kate. Stealing money from the mayor? Need I say more about that fat fuck? Hell even killing the thief in the hut by the river could be justifiable given the circumstances.

Gwen is not an evil deity she is chaotic. In some cases she could even be chaotic good. But never chaotic evil.

 

[Grayking666]

But that’s unrelated to my feedback post tho.
You are already having a worst ending route tho, I am betting your girls have paid houses to all the psychiatrists around

No psychiatric care in this game. Only sex

 

[zARRR]

No psychiatric care in this game. Only sex

At least I hope the sex ed works

I've seen some equate becoming more corrupt in this game to becoming more evil. I don't see it. If we go by DnD alignment Gwen isn't evil she is at most chaotic neutral. Look up Calistria in the pathfinder elven pantheon is almost the perfect example.

Off the top off my head the only truly evil deed you could do is stealing from Penny. Stealing from the inkeeper? He is an asshole that essentialy blackmailed Kate. Stealing money from the mayor? Need I say more about that fat fuck? Hell even killing the thief in the hut by the river could be justifiable given the circumstances.

Gwen is not an evil deity she is chaotic. In some cases she could even be chaotic good. But never chaotic evil.

Pretty sure that corrupting girls without knowing is chaotic/evil more evil.
But even stealing from Roderick it’s not that big of an honor.
The only problem is that if you steal by Thomas Kate and her mother will suffer some consequences, so in the short run he desrves it, but in the long run as every evil bastard here there will be consequences.

BTW I could never think that Giron could become even worse of a human being, but this update made me reconsider him, reconsider him as true trash

 

[vtkgvn]

No files just for updates?

 

[Samsul Hidayat]

>Back at Giron's mansion you will get your reward. If you brought Yasmine back in time he will continue the marriage with her.

Is there a good reason to bring her back in time?

 

[zARRR]

>Back at Giron's mansion you will get your reward. If you brought Yasmine back in time he will continue the marriage with her.

Is there a good reason to bring her back in time?

Dude the walkthrough answers your question literally after:

If you didn't he will look for someone new (not implemented yet).

The bastard doesn’t need it, let him be cuckedby us as usual