RPGM A Struggle with Sin [v0.6.1.1b] [Chyos]

[Apartment817]

Well, this actually works, so thanks. Let's just see if it doesn't break my game later. I still find it baffling that the solution is to disable the NTR option before going to the old board for the first time just so you don't get the quest.

If I were Chios, I would have simply made it a global quest, something like:

[Convincing bjorn]

"I have to find a way to convince Bjorn to help us enter Kirlic"

Objectives:

• Maybe I can ask his wife to convince him to help us. I may need to gain her trust first.
• He likes to gamble in the afternoons; maybe if I win enough times, I can convince him to help us as a payment.
• Carmen told me that bjorn had feelings for claire, maybe I can use her to convince him to help us.

Then you do one of the three, and the quest clears. I don't know why chyos made it like this, first the gambling and winning option doesn't have a quest, and even if you go for the route when carmen helps convincing him the quest about him fucking claire remains. It just kind of disappoints me that your best choice is to either go with it or turn the option off in the settings before you get there so you don't even get the quest, and it is clearly an NTR quest since toggling off NTR prevents you from getting it. This one, however, can only be avoided by changing settings, no way to avoid it in-game with the option on like the rest of the quests.

NTR exists in ASWS for people that like NTR.

Bjorn exists solely for the folks that enjoy wife swapping, and wife stealing.

The NTR switch exists for those that don't want NTR.

Going to the Old Boar with the switch on triggers quests for folks that want the NTR. That is why the quest is written the way it is. IT WASN'T A GOOF ON CHYOS'S PART, IT'S DESIGNED TO BE WIFE SWAPPING.

I don't enjoy Netorare, but I do like Netori and Netorase, so I leave the switch on.

The switch doesn't turn off Netori (Frisha, Penny, Liandra, Yasmin, etc.)

The switch does turn off Netorase (when the third is a male) and Netorare.

If MMF bothers one, there is absolutely no reason to have the switch on is ASWS. NONE.

 

[storm1051787]

1. It is the way the game was intended to be played, with it as a punishment for losing and such, said by the game itself when you start a new game.

2. If I ever see an NTR scene, I would know I screwed up somewhere, so it is a clear-cut indication of "You messed up."

Ntr can only really be considered a punishment at the beginning of the game. For most stuff ntr is based on the you intentionally playing the mc as an asshole or giving other men permission to cuck the mc. The dev expects the players who arent into ntr to just turn it off so that's why you get the ntr quest automatically if you have it turned on there. Ntr on isn't "the way it's intended" except for the beginning of the game

 

[Justonemore20]

NTR exists in ASWS for people that like NTR.

Bjorn exists solely for the folks that enjoy wife swapping, and wife stealing.

The NTR switch exists for those that don't want NTR.

Going to the Old Boar with the switch on triggers quests for folks that want the NTR. That is why the quest is written the way it is. IT WASN'T A GOOF ON CHYOS'S PART, IT'S DESIGNED TO BE WIFE SWAPPING.

I don't enjoy Netorare, but I do like Netori and Netorase, so I leave the switch on.

The switch doesn't turn off Netori (Frisha, Penny, Liandra, Yasmin, etc.)

The switch does turn off Netorase (when the third is a male) and Netorare.

If MMF bothers one, there is absolutely no reason to have the switch on is ASWS. NONE.

Ntr can only really be considered a punishment at the beginning of the game. For most stuff ntr is based on the you intentionally playing the mc as an asshole or giving other men permission to cuck the mc. The dev expects the players who arent into ntr to just turn it off so that's why you get the ntr quest automatically if you have it turned on there. Ntr on isn't "the way it's intended" except for the beginning of the game

Then someone should REALLY tell Chyos to change how he worded it when he explains how it works when you start a new game, because his old description of it has aged like milk. Also, I'm simply not into netorase; it's just not me.

 

[BakiSandro]

I do not know what part of Penny is "defend the castle". Rumah has a protect the fort aspect. Penny has a defeat bandits in the mill, but neither of those quite match up. Penny isn't connected to Rumah, except for Tia's lube makes the anal sex easier.

Liandra isn't connected to the Old Boar (Kirlic), Liandra will be connected to future Kirlic quests, but right now you only can get half way to Kirlic, and that's related to Kate, unconnected to Liandra.

Kate's anal gets unlocked through her dancing in the red dress for you in her room. Not connected to threesomes with Claire.

Claire doesn't get anal until the Old Boar. If I remember right anal becomes part of the standard Kate & Claire threesome in Kate's bed, but only after it is unlocked for both.

I'm sorry my english is bad, so I didn't explained it clearly.

What I mean about PENNY "defend of castle" parts is that chicken coop quest, when you can get assisted by Lyvia to defend it from bandit, so I think I gonna proceed with Lyvia quest first before that happen. Why am I corelate with Rumah quest is that I can use Lyvia as additional party member to defend Rumah village (I know that will be overpower, but fuck GURTAK). So, in order of quest: Merc > Rumah > Penny. But, is that necessary?

I want some plot progression to be interconnect with each other if possible, so that question about LIANDRA.

For Kate anal scene, I think I can't trigger it no matter what after that threesome scene with her mother. But that red dress scene is the one huh? That scene moved so cleanly (without need of anal lube) that I didn't realized that an anal sex. My bad LOL.

So, thanks for that...

 

[Apartment817]

1. It is the way the game was intended to be played, with it as a punishment for losing and such, said by the game itself when you start a new game.

2. If I ever see an NTR scene, I would know I screwed up somewhere, so it is a clear-cut indication of "You messed up."

3. Puts pressure on you to not screw up.

Nope, I am not sure why folks got that idea, but that is not how NTR works in ASWS.

The player has to try really hard, like really really intentionally bad to ever get any "punishment" NTR.

Chyos talked about NTR being a punishment, but he meant it in a narrative sense, not being good enough to win a battle.

There is a reason why it's right next "Virgin Blood" and "auto-save" it's a preference thing.

Not a difficulty level.

Want proof? Show me a NTR punishment scene in ASWS that isn't extremely easily avoidable even for first time players that don't have RPG experience.

 

[Apartment817]

I'm sorry my english is bad, so I didn't explained it clearly.

What I mean about PENNY "defend of castle" parts is that chicken coop quest, when you can get assisted by Lyvia to defend it from bandit, so I think I gonna proceed with Lyvia quest first before that happen. Why am I corelate with Rumah quest is that I can use Lyvia as additional party member to defend Rumah village (I know that will be overpower, but fuck GURTAK). So, in order of quest: Merc > Rumah > Penny. But, is that necessary?

I want some plot progression to be interconnect with each other if possible, so that question about LIANDRA.

For Kate anal scene, I think I can't trigger it no matter what after that threesome scene with her mother. But that red dress scene is the one huh? That scene moved so cleanly (without need of anal lube) that I didn't realized that an anal sex. My bad LOL.

So, thanks for that...

Lyvia can't go to Rumah, she temporary leaves the party whenever you get close.

I usually do Penny up to kicking Henry out, interchanged with Rumah stuff, Merc camp last.

Having Lyvia in the party when clearing out Bandits helps, but not necessary at all.

 

[Justonemore20]

Nope, I am not sure why folks got that idea, but that is not how NTR works in ASWS.

The player has to try really hard, like really really intentionally bad to ever get any "punishment" NTR.

Chyos talked about NTR being a punishment, but he meant it in a narrative sense, not being good enough to win a battle.

There is a reason why it's right next "Virgin Blood" and "auto-save" it's a preference thing.

Not a difficulty level.

Want proof? Show me a NTR punishment scene in ASWS that isn't extremely easily avoidable even for first time players that don't have RPG experience.

I only have one NTR punishment (not scene) that I can think of; I have to backtrack 17 hours of gameplay and 21 days in-game to prevent myself from getting an NTR quest I didn't want nor could avoid, a really grueling punishment. Other than that? Nothing really; the rest is pretty straightforward, which is why I was so put off by suddenly getting that one without a way to dodge, but I have learned from my mistakes, and now that shit will forever remain off.

I made the same mistake that other people do when the author wants them to think that they really wanted the story to be about a "landlady" and that the patch is fan-made; I shouldn't have listened to the dev.

 

[ChubbyFatBoy]

If you feel "Bjorn's Obsession" is forced on you, turn the NTR switch to off. Then no quest. Nothing is forced.

If you feel this strongly, why do you have it on????

He already clarified in his very 1st comment what the issue was.

My only choices with that quest are either ignore it and never do it or tell him to stop going for Claire and fail the quest (because I don't plan to hook them up even if I fail the quest)... there goes my all-quest-cleared playthrough.

He doesn't want to fail it for the reason above. He doesn't want to do it because he's not into that type of content. And he doesn't want it to stay in the quest log, also for the reason above. If I'm reading correctly. Seems his issue is that instead of the Bjorn bit being part of the main quest as an option. It's its own separate quest that he feels he can't do and now he's stuck.

It's a completionist thing.

 

[Ntrsugar]

If Tia is in Rumah, or if Katherin starts masturbating before Tia wakes you up, you can "confront" Katherine at fuck her in her bed while Tia sleeps in hers.

You can get a threesome with Katherin and Lyvia at dinner or after unlocking that at noon (with Tia in Rumah).

If Tia is used to you fucking Katherin, at noon walking in on Katherin and Lyvia in one bed will have the MC and Tia fuck in the other.

I don't think there is a Katherin and Tia threesome in Rumah yet, but there clearly will be eventually. (The make Katherin cum option is there to trigger it.)

But the only Tia and Katherin threesome is the one on the floor.

I hope we can get Katherine pregnant before Tia.

 

[volkshapo]

Maybe

I hope we can get Katherine pregnant before Tia.

It's already possible and Tia is insecure about that and panicking that she can't get pregnant. If you mean proper pregnance like Kate - then idk

 

[Ntrsugar]

Maybe

It's already possible and Tia is insecure about that and panicking that she can't get pregnant. If you mean proper pregnance like Kate - then idk

OoO, haven't played in a while.
As for real pregnancies I hope that too , would be hot if there is pregnant sex in future.

 

[Apartment817]

I hope we can get Katherine pregnant before Tia.

Katherin can get pregnant already, Tia can not.

 

[volkshapo]

I wonder how story with nibblina/snikka/ugotha will proceed, start is interesting for sure

 

[Apartment817]

He already clarified in his very 1st comment what the issue was.

Believing that the NTR switch is difficulty switch is incorrect. It is not the "intended" way for the player to be punished for playing badly.

It is a switch for turning a fetish that you want to see. Where the player wants to see the MC punished for being behaving badly.

If you don't want NTR in your narrative, turn it off. It's that simple. It is not some sort of "hard mode".

 

[Justonemore20]

Believing that the NTR switch is difficulty switch is incorrect. It is not the "intended" way for the player to be punished for playing badly.

It is a switch for turning a fetish that you want to see. Where the player wants to see the MC punished for being behaving badly.

If you don't want NTR in your narrative, turn it off. It's that simple. It is not some sort of "hard mode".

I know that we already finished talking about it, but again, tell that to Chyos.



Again, this aged like milk.

 

[ChubbyFatBoy]

Believing that the NTR switch is difficulty switch is incorrect. It is not the "intended" way for the player to be punished for playing badly.

It is a switch for turning a fetish that you want to see. Where the player wants to see the MC punished for being behaving badly.

If you don't want NTR in your narrative, turn it off. It's that simple. It is not some sort of "hard mode".

.....what? What does this have to do with anything that I said? Or the part that I showed you?

 

[Apartment817]

I know that we already finished talking about it, but again, tell that to Chyos.

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Again, this aged like milk.

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You realize "always" means always, right? Meaning you have to chose to want to have the MC Punished. You have to chose to fail objectives.

You don't get NTR for just failing objectives.

You get NTR for choosing to fail certain objectives on purpose.

This means you idea of NTR being punishment for failing the game is impossible, since that's not how you get NTR. You get NTR for choosing to get NTR.

The failing objectives part is part of the NTR fantasy.

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If you choose to name Mira "Sister" then you are playing the way the game was intended to played.

The NTR was intended to be a fetish for the player, where the main character is punished for the characters mistakes as a reward for the player. It is not there to be a punishment to player for making mistakes as a player.

.....what? What does this have to do with anything that I said? Or the part that I showed you?

You quoted me asking why does he have the switch on if he doesn't want that content. I am addressing how that perception of why the switch exists is wrong.

Once again it is not:

on = normal difficulty mode
off = easy difficulty mode

Justonemore has repeatedly asserted that is what the switch is. It isn't.

It's do you want to play with the intended NTR as a fetish for the player to enjoy, or does it upset you so much you want it removed from the game?

off = yes
on = no

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I have zero punishment NTR in my dozens of playthroughs, I leave the switch on because I want the MMF scenes.

 

[Justonemore20]

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You realize "always" means always, right? Meaning you have to chose to want to have the MC Punished. You have to chose to fail objectives.

You don't get NTR for just failing objectives.

You get NTR for choosing to fail certain objectives on purpose.

This means you idea of NTR being punishment for failing the game is impossible, since that's not how you get NTR. You get NTR for choosing to get NTR.

The failing objectives part is part of the NTR fantasy.

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If you choose to name Mira "Sister" then you are playing the way the game was intended to played.

The NTR was intended to be a fetish for the player, where the main character is punished for the characters mistakes as a reward for the player. It is not there to be a punishment to player for making mistakes as a player.

But that is not the problem now, is it? I didn't fail nor choose to fail; I was given an unavoidable quest, as long as NTR was active. I wasn't given the choice to not have that quest in the quest log and only noticed the solution of toggling it off too late.

You just keep missing the point. I'm a completionist; I want all the quests cleared successfully, yet I was given a quest I could not avoid nor complete in a way that allowed the NTR to be AVOIDABLE. The only solution? Toggle off and then on after you receive the other quest from Carmen so you don't get that one. Very intuitive, right?.

 

[Apartment817]

Just a reminder, l

But that is not the problem now, is it? I didn't fail nor choose to fail; I was given an unavoidable quest, as long as NTR was active. I wasn't given the choice to not have that quest in the quest log and only noticed the solution of toggling it off too late.

You just keep missing the point. I'm a completionist; I want all the quests cleared successfully, yet I was given a quest I could not avoid nor complete in a way that allowed the NTR to be AVOIDABLE. The only solution? Toggle off and then on after you receive the other quest from Carmen so you don't get that one. Very intuitive, right?.

Except that you are. When Chyos made the scene where Bjorn could fuck Claire, he did it knowing the switch would remove it. You have to chose to make that quest "unavoidable".

The scene isn't even a punishment to the MC.

In the Merc camp, you can fuck Lyvia after the party and then invite one of your Merc's over to join it. As a reward for all, and a punishment for none.

If you get Ophelia drunk during the minigame, you can orchestrate the same with Rick, a reward for all punishment for none.

The switch in the way you imagined it, doesn't exist.

YOU ARE NOT GOING TO MESS UP SO BADLY AS A PLAYER THAT YOU GET PUNISHED, (because even that IS ALWAYS AVOIDABLE.) So you might as well just leave it off.

Bjorn's scene isn't a punishment for the MC. He is not upset about it. He is all "sure you can fuck my side piece with me, if you give me some help, I will willingly make that happen."

Claire isn't upset by it, the MC isn't upset that it is happening. It isn't even one of the scene's where the narrative is punishment.

Have you completed the monastery? I as a completionist myself have to live with failing "Syfa's banishment" every time because fuck the church. And it bugs me, but not enough to express frustration at strangers about it. Plus I actively choose to fail that quest.

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So you are mad because you have to temporarily turn off a switch that you want to leave on for reasons that don't even exist.

 

[radr]

Anyone else get stuck on the part of finding the wine in the dining hall for the cult quest line? I have searched all the tables, boxes, etc.

This also happened to me and no matter what I do i cant interact with the table. Even worse they dont let you leave.