RPGM A Struggle with Sin [v0.6.1.1b] [Chyos]

[zARRR]

I am undecided if I should use witchcraft on Gurtak or just kill him, maybe using magic is the best option

 

[Pervy Sensei]

To be fair, I kind of think many of these games add too many characters, and each get little content or an insanely long development cycle as a result, I am starting to steer away from the idea of a dev who promise new characters as benchmarks or donation tier as sound.

In this game, patrons generally have options in the poll to vote for characters that are already developed, to develop them more. So right now we have Frisha, Ophilia, Gwen, Raaisha, and Tia (rework). Other characters have already existed, but will really be developed, as other options: Bianca, Verena, Anya.

New characters can enter the picture, as will be the case in Frisha's next update, and maybe in John/Bianca's update, but it's clear that most options are developing characters that already are in play. In the past, Kate and Tia won a lot, making them more developed than most other characters.

I don't think there is much worry here about each character getting little content. Not sure what you mean by long development cycle, but personally I appreciate that the stories of each character tend to grow/develop over time. It makes the game really seem alive, as well as responsive to patrons.

 

[kornrer]

does someone have full on NTR saves? I lost mine :'(

 

[Satyr90]

To be fair, I kind of think many of these games add too many characters, and each get little content or an insanely long development cycle as a result, I am starting to steer away from the idea of a dev who promise new characters as benchmarks or donation tier as sound.

I understand. When you start to add up all the characters it's going to take Chyos forever until he's able to finally finish off some of these characters. However there may reach a boiling point when people just start to want to move past character development and start to add features like a pregnancy system. Right now though I'm staying with my Verena vote.

 

[Pervy Sensei]

I am undecided if I should use witchcraft on Gurtak or just kill him, maybe using magic is the best option

It will likely matter whenever Raaisha's update is implemented. By the time that happens though, we will already have had the rework implemented that will break all saves, so it really doesn't matter what you choose for now.

 

[Satyr90]

How do you unlock the basic medicine crafting? I have it unlocked for another saved character, however I'm currently doing a second run-through (good guy noncorruption, primarily for shits and giggles) and I cant seem to unlock it. I have the advanced crafting like the energy and armor potion, but no basic medicine crafting.

If I remember correctly it has to do with healing the people of Rumah and Katherine. However I've already completed that story/quest. So if I already past it is there any way to still unlock it or am I completely screwed?

 

[zARRR]

It will likely matter whenever Raaisha's update is implemented. By the time that happens though, we will already have had the rework implemented that will break all saves, so it really doesn't matter what you choose for now.

Oh dang it

 

[Pervy Sensei]

How do you unlock the basic medicine crafting? I have it unlocked for another saved character, however I'm currently doing a second run-through (good guy noncorruption, primarily for shits and giggles) and I cant seem to unlock it. I have the advanced crafting like the energy and armor potion, but no basic medicine crafting.

If I remember correctly it has to do with healing the people of Rumah and Katherine. However I've already completed that story/quest. So if I already past it is there any way to still unlock it or am I completely screwed?

So you are trying to learn alchemy from Katherin by getting a book of potions from her. According to the walkthrough, you have to start Tia's anal quest, which requires her corruption be 11. This quest triggers the need to craft lubricant for the anal sex, which is why Katherin ends up teaching you alchemy.

Looks like there is no noncorruption way to get the healing tincture recipe. You will have to either buy healing tinctures from Katherin, or find them as you wander the land, or gain them during December by cutting trees down but risk fighting a Level 100 Krimpus.

 

[Satyr90]

Looks like there is no noncorruption way to get the healing tincture recipe.

yet another reason why I'm wondering why anyone would go the noncorruption route. Is there ANY reason to be a good moral guy? You lose scenes, anal, girls (for now anyway), and now apparently the ability to craft medicine. Being the good guy sucks.

or gain them during December by cutting trees down but risk fighting a Level 100 Krimpus.

I never actually made it to December. I usually got all caught up with the quests before then. Now I'm dying to fight this Krimpus just for giggles

 

[zARRR]

yet another reason why I'm wondering why anyone would go the noncorruption route. Is there ANY reason to be a good moral guy? You lose scenes, anal, girls (for now anyway), and now apparently the ability to craft medicine. Being the good guy sucks.


I never actually made it to December. I usually got all caught up with the quests before then. Now I'm dying to fight this Krimpus just for giggles

Exactly!
There is zero, zero benefits, from being a good guy, and I do not know why I am still doing an angel boy run, when all the good stuff you get are always from the corrupted route. (Except Natasha, because fuck Natasha scene).
And also, what the fuck is a Krimpus?
The bootleg version of a Krampus you get for being a bad boy?
Now I want to fight it too!

 

[Pervy Sensei]

yet another reason why I'm wondering why anyone would go the noncorruption route. Is there ANY reason to be a good moral guy? You lose scenes, anal, girls (for now anyway), and now apparently the ability to craft medicine. Being the good guy sucks.

Exactly!
There is zero, zero benefits, from being a good guy, and I do not know why I am still doing an angel boy run, when all the good stuff you get are always from the corrupted route.

I view the game as really a Non-NTR vs NTR kind of thing, to try going one way or the other. Corruption affects both I believe, so it's kind of neutral in that respect. But it does make one wonder why the game is called A Struggle With Sin if there isn't much benefit in resisting corruption. Maybe when Gwen's next quest gets implemented, then we'll finally see some benefit in that direction.

Also, I mentioned it before, but noncorrupt dialogue is different from corrupt dialogue, and some players prefer noncorrupt dialogue, so there is that. Not a gameplay benefit, but it's something.

 

[Evangelion-01]

Exactly!
There is zero, zero benefits, from being a good guy, and I do not know why I am still doing an angel boy run, when all the good stuff you get are always from the corrupted route. (Except Natasha, because fuck Natasha scene).
And also, what the fuck is a Krimpus?
The bootleg version of a Krampus you get for being a bad boy?
Now I want to fight it too!

The only Characters that benefit from a non corruption route so far are Imawyn and Penny.
None of the other girls have a none corruption route at this point

 

[Satyr90]

I view the game as really a Non-NTR vs NTR kind of thing, to try going one way or the other. Corruption affects both I believe, so it's kind of neutral in that respect. But it does make one wonder why the game is called A Struggle With Sin if there isn't much benefit in resisting corruption.

Interesting way of viewing the game however I don't think it's that simple. When Gwen is trying to get you on her side there's no NTR it's lust/corruption vs love/moral code. I'm in no way dismissing the effect NTR has on the game either as a punishment or for fun but like you pointed out the game is called "A Struggle With Sin" and in this game the MC has to fight like hell to control his Lust and actively try to prevent corrupting those he loves if he wishes to live a moral life. However currently Chyos provides no reasons as well as very little opportunity to become a moral person and live a moral life. I've been unable to get my alignment below 48 despite the fact that I've done everything I could trying to help the people of this world. I could've given in gotten a harem, corrupted a church, gained mind controlling magic, and enslaved the orcs, enslaved the brigands however by doing so I may have gotten all powerful but it would've cost me my "soul" or in the case of the game alignment points. By resisting and pursuing a noble path what do I get? Nothing now, hopefully something in the future.

Maybe when Gwen's next quest gets implemented, then we'll finally see some benefit in that direction.

I'm hoping that something changes. Currently I'm trying to convince these brigands to join up. Now I could use money and buy them off or I could use witchcraft and enslave them. But I opted for trying to convince them, which I would've believed was a nobler path. However I don't even get any good alignment points for that. So I'm hoping that in the future there is some potential upside to this maybe with a Isha vs Athia showdown or something.

Also, I mentioned it before, but noncorrupt dialogue is different from corrupt dialogue, and some players prefer noncorrupt dialogue, so there is that. Not a gameplay benefit, but it's something.

That's another thing that I wanted to experience for myself and is another reason I'm currently doing this. My first runthough I was way to quick with the corruption didn't care about it at all. Now I'm going to playthrough without corruption to see how the characters "naturally" progress threw the game without any corruption. Then after all that's done I'm going to make a final game with a carefully crafted corruption process/character.

The only Characters that benefit from a non corruption route so far are Imawyn and Penny.
None of the other girls have a none corruption route at this point

I'm confused... Imawyn story isn't complete yet so if you corrupt her now then she's a slut for good and you lose the opportunity to go down the love route. For Penny it's the same thing, the story isn't complete and corrupting her now fucks you out of the love story later.

However I thought almost all other girls have love routes they just can also be corrupted after? Basically corruption effects dialog and what the girls are open to sexually. It's not going to lock you out of a true love route or something. Like for example Tia or Kate. You can choose to not corrupt them and live a wholesome life or corrupt them have them become a little more slutty and will be up for anal. Either way they're still in love with you and the story progresses. I had this conversation with Chyos because I was worried about corruption fucking me out of a love path. He said the two girls you mentioned (Penny and Imawyn), If you started their corruption already you can't pursue the love route. However all other girls should be good.

 

[zARRR]

I view the game as really a Non-NTR vs NTR kind of thing, to try going one way or the other. Corruption affects both I believe, so it's kind of neutral in that respect. But it does make one wonder why the game is called A Struggle With Sin if there isn't much benefit in resisting corruption. Maybe when Gwen's next quest gets implemented, then we'll finally see some benefit in that direction.

Also, I mentioned it before, but noncorrupt dialogue is different from corrupt dialogue, and some players prefer noncorrupt dialogue, so there is that. Not a gameplay benefit, but it's something.

Well yes I can see the how they prefer talking to a normal human being than talking to a horny character which has no more mental sanity

 

[Evangelion-01]

However I thought almost all other girls have love routes they just can also be corrupted after? Basically corruption effects dialog and what the girls are open to sexually. It's not going to lock you out of a true love route or something. Like for example Tia or Kate. You can choose to not corrupt them and live a wholesome life or corrupt them have them become a little more slutty and will be up for anal. Either way they're still in love with you and the story progresses. I had this conversation with Chyos because I was worried about corruption fucking me out of a love path. He said the two girls you mentioned (Penny and Imawyn), If you started their corruption already you can't pursue the love route. However all other girls should be good.

Quiet alot of girls have love routes vs NTR routes as Pervy Sensei had mentioned before, but only Imawyn and Penny have a form of Love route that is also changed/affected by corruption.
So it's pure Love route vs Love Route vs NTR route vs NTR corruption route (gotta admit I am not sure how corruption works on these NTR routes as I completly avoid them)

 

[Satyr90]

Quiet alot of girls have love routes vs NTR routes as Pervy Sensei had mentioned before, but only Imawyn and Penny have a form of Love route that is also changed/affected by corruption.
So it's pure Love route vs Love Route vs NTR route vs NTR corruption route (gotta admit I am not sure how corruption works on these NTR routes as I completly avoid them)

I tried to do a zero corruption route with Kate but then a NTR route with the dress later and it didn't end well (just bored and experimenting I guess). She never went threw with it. So with the NTR routes it's going to depend from girl to girl. Once you start with the corruption she gets sluttier, and if you're open about your NTR relationship (confronted her about having sex with Thomas and enjoy it) it opens up even more spicy moments. I don't know how corruption will/if effect that I've only done that on corruption. I can't imagine she'd be open to it without it, not unless there's a serious personality change.

Tia has a Netorare route no corruption necessary and from my experience the corruption didn't change her dialog before, during, or after the scenes. Tia's dialog does change when you send her to the orc camp repeatedly. I had to send her there 8ish times before either her or the MC started referring to her as a orc cumdumpster and talking about her love of orc cock. I did have her corruption maxed out. However I don't think that played a role. I believe that's what happens to Tia if she keeps getting sent to the orc camp.

Arianna has a NTR route only she cant be corrupted (yet anyway). She just keeps saying she cant stay satisfied with one cock anymore.

My point is, a love vs NTR route like for example Arianna's story, is a clear example of love or something else.

However a better example of what I'm talking about is Tia. Her relationship is more defined at the beginning. You choose to love her and pursue her or you say you're not interested. If you are interested in Tia then you start to romance her. If you lose to Dasan then you go down the NTR route, if you win against Dasan then you go down the chief route. Either way (chief or NTR) from my experience playing those paths, Tia still loves you and you still have a relationship with her. If you start to corrupt her she'll be interested in more things like public sex, anal, group sex, multiple wives, ect. However she's still your wife and she still loves you. There is no "pure" love route in the game that I've seen yet, but I do believe that the penny update may have one.

When I messaged Chyos back in February about the corruption system I was asking about this very subject. I asked him:

"It's about the corruption in the different women, If the corruption get's high enough will it ever lock you out of or prevent you from a love path with ANY of the girls? I know the corruption unlocks specific scenes and changes dialog but I heard that if the corruption gets too high it will prevent you from getting love or "true love" either now or in the future. Another commenter said that if corruption rises too quickly in the beginning of the relationship it'd mess up the love or "true love" relationship. Commenters were saying it's best to peruse the women until you get the true love, pure love, or whatever then start corrupting but not to go overboard because it can mess them up. I know that not all the women are the same like for example corrupting penny now will disable the "pure" love route. But I was curious if that was the same for the other's as well? If they're quest's are still under development are they safe to corrupt or will it mess everything up? So, I didn't know if any of that was true and/or if the corruption system was as sensitive as they said. Any help you could provide with the corruption/non-corruption system would be greatly appreciated."

Chyos response was:

" In case of Imawyn it is currently the case. If you go her corruption route first the love route is locked. But if the love route is done first she will just get more open minded. This is how I intend to continue it for some other women. But in most cases (like currently every other woman) higher corruption doesn't deny the love path and only enables things the woman wasn't willing to do."

The only Characters that benefit from a non corruption route so far are Imawyn and Penny.
None of the other girls have a none corruption route at this point

While I think I may now understand where this is coming from. Yeah, by non-corruption you are guaranteeing that you stay on the love route. This may just be a temporary thing until they get a proper update to their stories. Then you can advance to the "love" story line then probably start corrupting to make them more "open minded" as Chyos put it.

 

[mercytea]

Wow! There is a dream occurred after MC was auto-defeated by the cult! I've never had this dream in my first playthrough.

 

[Evangelion-01]

Wow! There is a dream occurred after MC was auto-defeated by the cult! I've never had this dream in my first playthrough.

it was added a few Version ago, it can repeatedly trigger on defeat, same as Mira takeing advantage of you being immobile after being defeated in combat

 

[Satyr90]

When doing the Mira missions and you read the letter, if you read the letter a second time it allows you to change the relationships to the various characters from friends to siblings as an example. I changed it for the first time to a sibling/father-son incest relationship for giggles and during the scenes with Mira there were noticeable changes not just swapping out words or nicknames but different phrases and dialog. So a few questions...

Is it just in my head or did Chyos put in a slightly different dialog for an Incest storyline?

Will this destroy the overall main storyline or is this intentional? In other words, was this put in to avoid some obvious censorship/banning bullshit?

I'm mainly just curious to know which one is the correct one? As in the intentional design by the author. I don't know if he put that in there to pander to a specific fetish or if that was his original plan the whole time?

Edit: Nevermind. I read the warning and reread the letter and now it completely breaks the story logic where Marcus says he was the bodyguard shortly after admitting he was your guardian. So I got my answer, but why did Chyos make unique dialog for a incest scenario if he never intended for that to be the direction of the game?

 

[zARRR]

When doing the Mira missions and you read the letter, if you read the letter a second time it allows you to change the relationships to the various characters from friends to siblings as an example. I changed it for the first time to a sibling/father-son incest relationship for giggles and during the scenes with Mira there were noticeable changes not just swapping out words or nicknames but different phrases and dialog. So a few questions...

Is it just in my head or did Chyos put in a slightly different dialog for an Incest storyline?

Will this destroy the overall main storyline or is this intentional? In other words, was this put in to avoid some obvious censorship/banning bullshit?

I'm mainly just curious to know which one is the correct one? As in the intentional design by the author. I don't know if he put that in there to pander to a specific fetish or if that was his original plan the whole time?

Edit: Nevermind. I read the warning and reread the letter and now it completely breaks the story logic where Marcus says he was the bodyguard shortly after admitting he was your guardian. So I got my answer, but why did Chyos make unique dialog for a incest scenario if he never intended for that to be the direction of the game?

Idk mante for patreon rules?
Or it was just one of the kinks that was asked by the supporters