RPGM A Struggle with Sin [v0.6.1.1b] [Chyos]

[CruelOcean]

I have never gone that route, but Online walkthrough Penny step 26.

ye but that is for dave taxes, what i mean are the actual workers of the mill down south

 

[Crazy_Chameleon]

You know the Person I like least in all these Quests?
Giron!
So what he asks me to do I make sure he does not get what he actually wants, with Julias Update we'll get a new game mechanic which will allow us to marry her anyway

Well that's a given he's supposed to be an irredeemable asshole. But you know what I can see his fall coming. You have the greatest fighting force in the local area, And if you play your cards right the respect of the whole town. You basically control the farmland, The iron mines and trade. The reason this douche stays in charge is .. ostensibly .. because he provides security and leadership to the town. Sure he's responsible for gathering the 'kings tax' But hes' also responsible for ensuring the locals CAN pay. He should be doing everything YOU are doing. And considering the situations of everyone in the village he SHOULD be advocating to the king for tax breaks. And he's giving his power away to you because he's a lazy ignorant fuck with the self awareness of an amoeba who thinks his money and his noble blood will protect him from any consequences of his actions. It is actually quite comical to me how easily he is allowing the MC to castrate him. The truth is I bet if the mc went to the king with ultimatums he'd be baron of Aedenfield in a hand wave. The king is on the front and constantly in need of supplies and troops. He can NOT afford to have his supply lines disrupted or pull men off the front line to deal with any situation. Who do you think the king will really pick if shit goes south in his rear?

But that won't happen for a long time. As plot wise Giron and his ilk are a useful antagonist. And if the MC is smart he'll keep building his forces and his power for as long as he can while playing the patsy. So every time he foists his work of me all I feel is smug condescending gratitude for his total lack of a brain.

Ironically a venal and incompetant mayor like Giron is possibly the greatest assett someone like the MC could have as he builds his power. So yeah of COURSE it would be a stupid self destructive move to force anyones hand right now. Especially since Giron has absolutely zero love from anyone important. He's a paper tiger that can be toppled at the MC's leisure. And so the MC would be a fool to do so too early.

 

[Bonz singh]

There is a glitch in Dwarf pregnancy. Even after getting fertilized there is no pregnancy.

 

[Jjjjwht7]

There is a glitch in Dwarf pregnancy. Even after getting fertilized there is no pregnancy.

not a glitch, just not implemented yet.

 

[Puckhog27]

Does Kate ever dance for and have sex with men at the bar/inn?

 

[Evangelion-01]

Well that's a given he's supposed to be an irredeemable asshole. But you know what I can see his fall coming. You have the greatest fighting force in the local area

Incorrect I am afraid, putting aside how close to the Frontline you are, the Inn is filled with more soldiers than your Camp can host at any time, some apparently are even allowed to sleep in the barracks.
Can't say much about the equipment, the normal footsoldier likely is as well equiped as your men... but their Officers and Elites?
Same for the training I gues, afterall your men can teoretically be killed by bandits, thiefes and Goblins.

And if you play your cards right the respect of the whole town.

This is currently more of a Placeholder I gues, you may have the gratitude of every female member in town but the reknown part is likely to be remade in order to support the new daily Quest mechanic... so far you can be the town Hero and the Pater still won't allow you to have more than one woman since you haven't contributed enough to the town yet.

You basically control the farmland

Actually the Coldstones do... the meager land we have access to is borrowed and barely produces some grain (southern), eggs, milk and Vegetables to provide for the town itself, the Coldstones are the major producers selling to the King and his army.

Sure he's responsible for gathering the 'kings tax' But hes' also responsible for ensuring the locals CAN pay. He should be doing everything YOU are doing. And considering the situations of everyone in the village he SHOULD be advocating to the king for tax breaks.

While it's true this is how any historical noble acted... also it's not just the Kings taxes he takes a sever Bonus for himself in order to finance his previous attempts at becomeing a noble (like the marriage with Liandra).

nd he's giving his power away to you because he's a lazy ignorant fuck with the self awareness of an amoeba who thinks his money and his noble blood will protect him from any consequences of his actions. It is actually quite comical to me how easily he is allowing the MC to castrate him.

Is he though?
The MC always used to be a drunkard good for nothing who also showed himself as a simpleton, so far he has been keeping up the appearance even after bettering himself, only makeing it known that he learned how to read.
To Giron MC is a valuable assest that he thinks he can controll with Julia and empty promisses.
He is actually quiet aware that he has no "noble blood" which is why he attempted to press the marriage with Dave and an actual noble as their Child would actually be the first real noble.

The truth is I bet if the mc went to the king with ultimatums he'd be baron of Aedenfield in a hand wave. The king is on the front and constantly in need of supplies and troops. He can NOT afford to have his supply lines disrupted or pull men off the front line to deal with any situation. Who do you think the king will really pick if shit goes south in his rear?

But MC potenteilly sabotages his alliance with the Orcs and the Kings spy master seems to be connected to more forces than the Kings... I mean him being with the Cult would make the most sence in order to not only know about MC but considering the negotiations they had with the Orcs... I doubt they'd allow that many humans in their main base.

But that won't happen for a long time. As plot wise Giron and his ilk are a useful antagonist. And if the MC is smart he'll keep building his forces and his power for as long as he can while playing the patsy. So every time he foists his work of me all I feel is smug condescending gratitude for his total lack of a brain.

On that we both agree

 

[XSelLint]

When will version 6.1 be released?

When Chyos feels like it.

 

[Crazy_Chameleon]

Incorrect I am afraid, putting aside how close to the Frontline you are, the Inn is filled with more soldiers than your Camp can host at any time, some apparently are even allowed to sleep in the barracks.
Can't say much about the equipment, the normal footsoldier likely is as well equiped as your men... but their Officers and Elites?
Same for the training I gues, afterall your men can teoretically be killed by bandits, thiefes and Goblins.

This is currently more of a Placeholder I gues, you may have the gratitude of every female member in town but the reknown part is likely to be remade in order to support the new daily Quest mechanic... so far you can be the town Hero and the Pater still won't allow you to have more than one woman since you haven't contributed enough to the town yet.

Actually the Coldstones do... the meager land we have access to is borrowed and barely produces some grain (southern), eggs, milk and Vegetables to provide for the town itself, the Coldstones are the major producers selling to the King and his army.

While it's true this is how any historical noble acted... also it's not just the Kings taxes he takes a sever Bonus for himself in order to finance his previous attempts at becomeing a noble (like the marriage with Liandra).

Is he though?
The MC always used to be a drunkard good for nothing who also showed himself as a simpleton, so far he has been keeping up the appearance even after bettering himself, only makeing it known that he learned how to read.
To Giron MC is a valuable assest that he thinks he can controll with Julia and empty promisses.
He is actually quiet aware that he has no "noble blood" which is why he attempted to press the marriage with Dave and an actual noble as their Child would actually be the first real noble.

But MC potenteilly sabotages his alliance with the Orcs and the Kings spy master seems to be connected to more forces than the Kings... I mean him being with the Cult would make the most sence in order to not only know about MC but considering the negotiations they had with the Orcs... I doubt they'd allow that many humans in their main base.

On that we both agree

1. Those soldiers in the Tavern are the kings soldiers on their way to the front line, If the baron had any access to them AT ALL then he wouldn't need you. And he never lets go of money so he DOES need you. Also these soldiers can be intimidated by local farm boys. I don't rate them against your mercs trained by Lyvia. Especially in a guerilla campaign supported by orcs and half orcs. Also I'm more talking about ardenfeld respect than the affection values. Also your harem includes most of the actual keys to power in the town. I said greatest fighting force. Not greatest numbers. Hell .. If we're talking about the Inn soldiers they clearly don't even patrol the town. One good keg of beer with the right poison could handle those. I know that's not fighting force handling. But I reallty don't consider those soldiers as part of the equation because they are too easily removed if the town is commited and behind the MC.

2. The Coldstones don't really control shit they just have money and influence. You are the one with military forces on the fields. And if Giron goes it would be the work of hours to kick the coldstones to the curb. The problem with ruling through fear is it all ends the moment you bleed. And frankly .. It wouldn't even come to the military. If my MC actually wanted to he could slit Giron's and the Coldstones throats in their sleep and not even be seen doing so. Their type are the first up the scaffold when things get tough too. And you can't possibly tell me we won't eventually get their resources through the gradual build of power anyway. It's just not ingame yet. The Coldstones are nasty bastards when those in power keep them there. But in an actual throwdown they are a non factor.

3. I grant that a lot of historical nobles acted like Giron. But the point is that this kind of behaviour is not wise in the current circumstances. If the king was not occupied with a stressfull war .. Well I wouldn't be making that point. He is a newly appointed Baron and he needs the town not to be wavering or collapse. Hence he's an idiot.

4. Yeah obviously going to the king and requesting to be made baron would be a stupid move. But I was just saying that the MC is in a much stronger position than Giron realizes because he's too stupid to see him as a threat. And I doubt Giron was even aware of the MC's position locally. And even if he was .. the moment he showed up and paid his exorbitant tax bill alarm bells should have been ringing. Especially when he starts paying OTHER PEOPLES. And forms a mercenary force, And reopens the mines .. If Giron is still underestimating the MC then that only proves my point about him being braindead. This is a main who's crusader kings game is weaksauce ..

 

[Apartment817]

ye but that is for dave taxes, what i mean are the actual workers of the mill down south

I highly doubt that will ever exist and doesn't exist now. Dave scenes use assets from existing scenes. Get gangbanged by the workers would need new designed scenes, and story wise would just have Penny firing them and calling the whole thing off.


Not having the farm = gets used by Dave.
Has farm and still can't pay taxes = used by Dave and gang banged by farm hands

 

[Evangelion-01]

1. Those soldiers in the Tavern are the kings soldiers on their way to the front line, If the baron had any access to them AT ALL then he wouldn't need you. And he never lets go of money so he DOES need you. Also these soldiers can be intimidated by local farm boys. I don't rate them against your mercs trained by Lyvia. Especially in a guerilla campaign supported by orcs and half orcs.

He does need MC for protection BUT the King needs Giron for the money and supplies he delievers, leave alone keeping his people from rebelling against the strain this war puts on them.
If push comes to pull the King will side with Giron so that's not really an argument against.
Also I think your Mercanerys would back down against a Farm boy if they were convinced they couldn't make them back down with a straight... afterall the fury their commander would unleash on them if it became known would be what they fear.
Also... what Orc army? What Half Orc Army? both sides declared not to get involved in this conflict, Rumah won't fight for Arenfield and the Orcs at best accept neutrality and acceptance to the current border, mostlikely also since MC and Rumah have proven to be an issue they need to focus on.
Even assueming we'll be able to end the conflict with the Orcs along the lines I doubt they'll send anyone to fight for the people of Arenfield.
I mean look at the Goblins, MC became their Chieftain and saved them from slavery but they don't even care enough for the surface dwellers to start traiding with them... leave alone fight at their sides.

Also I'm more talking about ardenfeld respect than the affection values. Also your harem includes most of the actual keys to power in the town.

Like I said I am pretty sure the "Respect" will be altered in Julias Update... I mean I could understand if peoples oppinion on MC changes from good for nothing to decent citizen by paying your taxes on time or manageing their defences, but not to honorable citizen (like that buttler talks to MC).

I said greatest fighting force. Not greatest numbers. Hell .. If we're talking about the Inn soldiers they clearly don't even patrol the town. One good keg of beer with the right poison could handle those. I know that's not fighting force handling. But I reallty don't consider those soldiers as part of the equation because they are too easily removed if the town is commited and behind the MC.

MC is aware that these men were drafted from their lives and are not his enemies but victims in this battle between brothers, there is no reason for him to kill that many people, also like you say they are just moveing through or spend their day off in Arenfield, the moment those soldiers would be harmed would be the moment the King burns Arenfield to the ground.
Your outlook is to small Giron is not the Problem he is a symptom, greedy nobles a ruthless King and a war at their doorsteps mean that even if they could normally pull this off with these resources right now it's not an Option to them.

2. The Coldstones don't really control shit they just have money and influence. You are the one with military forces on the fields. And if Giron goes it would be the work of hours to kick the coldstones to the curb. The problem with ruling through fear is it all ends the moment you bleed. And frankly .. It wouldn't even come to the military. If my MC actually wanted to he could slit Giron's and the Coldstones throats in their sleep and not even be seen doing so. Their type are the first up the scaffold when things get tough too. And you can't possibly tell me we won't eventually get their resources through the gradual build of power anyway. It's just not ingame yet. The Coldstones are nasty bastards when those in power keep them there. But in an actual throwdown they are a non factor.

They OWN that land... bought it from Penny when she was desperate (a calculated action in hind sight), even IF Giron would agree that Penny COULD manage this land (which she can't since she can't even offer accomodations for her current workers), it's still no longer her Land and the King needs these supplies so he won't agree to let Penny buy it back on the promise she'll improve this situation in the near future.
The Devil you know is easier than the one you don't... the King would simply appoint some other minor nobles that he wants to get rid off to take over Arenfield... and VERY likely they'll be members of the Cult for the same reason.
The Coldstones controll the Cult and they have plenty of hands they can arm to oppose any change, the King is the greatest threat though that should be obvious.
MC can't face down half of the Kingdom as is, so a military or brutal solution is a no brainer.

3. I grant that a lot of historical nobles acted like Giron. But the point is that this kind of behaviour is not wise in the current circumstances. If the king was not occupied with a stressfull war .. Well I wouldn't be making that point. He is a newly appointed Baron and he needs the town not to be wavering or collapse. Hence he's an idiot.

While he wasn't a noble he blamed the high taxes on the King, now he blames them on the war and the King.
Giron is quiet calculating, opposed to Dave which is the Naive idiot for sure.
The War is the perfect excuse for minor nobles like Giron to grow their influence and power as immediatly after he got promoted to Baron his Son was to Marry a real Barons daugther ensureing that their child would be a bonafit Baron no matter what else would happen... the coommon people are kept at bay by Orc raids, Bandits and the War being this close... sure MC took care of most Bandits and keeps the Orcs at bay, but the people still fear the scale tip against them espescially should the King loose at the River point and the marching Army comeing to their doors.
I mean neither MC nor Giron or the King have planned or build any fortifications in the area, it wouldn't take much to convert that Bandit hideout south of the mine into some minuscale military Outpost to hold the street against anyone comeing from the frontline.

4. Yeah obviously going to the king and requesting to be made baron would be a stupid move. But I was just saying that the MC is in a much stronger position than Giron realizes because he's too stupid to see him as a threat. And I doubt Giron was even aware of the MC's position locally. And even if he was .. the moment he showed up and paid his exorbitant tax bill alarm bells should have been ringing. Especially when he starts paying OTHER PEOPLES. And forms a mercenary force, And reopens the mines .. If Giron is still underestimating the MC then that only proves my point about him being braindead. This is a main who's crusader kings game is weaksauce ..

There are some discussions with Dave that indicate the Giron is quiet aware of MCs influence and resourcefullness, however he thinks this is an opportunity to capitalize from MCs action as being the one who ordered it and finances all his actions.
Opening the mine? MC repelled the goblins, but Giron brought in miners to get Iron and MC is paid in a free share of Iron.
Guarding the trade routes? MCs mercanerys work for Girons pay.
Gaurding Arenfield? MC gets to go taxfree
Sure MC gains recognition for his actions and initiative, but so is Giron... atleast from his view, it seems he is not really aware of how much MC helps the individual peoples and gains their personal favor aside of what he does for arenfield as a commander of the Miliz... if you handed him the raven for example you can overhear Giron tell Julia about seduceing MC and make him a marionette of Giron, Julia as docile as she is (and was raised to be) agrees to this easily.
So Giron has a reason to believe he is still in controll even if MC gains ever more influence, I mean without MC being able to overhear most of what he did he'd indeed be clueless about most of Girons motivations makeing hard to impossible to negotiate most stuff as he did.
And Giron keeps useing MCs altruistic nature against him... like guarding the southern lands and not being payed for it since it's in his own best interest and helps the people of Arenfield.

Gotta admit, I haven't had one of these meta discussions in along while and they are their own kind of fun.
Especially if they are this well thought through.
Afterall in the end it's Chyos that make these decissions.

 

[Minasha]

Android please

 

[mattix]

Android please

use the Maldives emulator

 

[joseph000AsU]

Hi, i want to ask, where to get clothes for Imawyn?, it said craft on workbench but i can't find it

thanks for asistance.

 

[Ntrsugar]

Taking the inheritance approach, you need to wait for Giron to step down before you can do so, this approach is too slow, the MC should inherit and develop the neighboring forces to overthrow Giron's rule and take over Arlenfeld, which of course isn't the ultimate goal, but rather to continue to operate, digging up the veins of mines, increasing the wealth, and recruiting troops so as to overthrow the king's rule, end the long drawn out war, and achieve the ultimate goal of unification of the world, and then the game will be over.

And bed women , preferably Mother & Daughter duos, simultaneously
Can't forget the most important part.

 

[Ntrsugar]

This game is all about slow approaches... it takes nearly an ingame year to get all Characters to the Level of Corruption to pretty much have them agree on being your Harem rather than your wifes and fuck in public unconcerned.
Also you only need to be eligebile to overthrow Giron... afterall there is already royality staying in Arenfield, with Liandra you also have some heavy influence from the established noble lines.

Just cause a scandal for Giron or uncover his connection to the Cult that poisoned some nobles and he will be replaced with a capable young man... given Dave's nature I doubt he'll win against MC in the inheritance question.

Given the many royal soldiers passing through Arenfield and it's closeness to the Frontline a rebellion wuld be immediatly countered and submitted by the King, takeing a softer approach until MC can actually consilidate his position, politically and by building some defence in and around Arenfield is much wiser

It's been a long time since I played also never completed to current content.
So , who are the royals in Arenfield ?

 

[Crazy_Chameleon]

He does need MC for protection BUT the King needs Giron for the money and supplies he delievers, leave alone keeping his people from rebelling against the strain this war puts on them.
If push comes to pull the King will side with Giron so that's not really an argument against.
Also I think your Mercanerys would back down against a Farm boy if they were convinced they couldn't make them back down with a straight... afterall the fury their commander would unleash on them if it became known would be what they fear.
Also... what Orc army? What Half Orc Army? both sides declared not to get involved in this conflict, Rumah won't fight for Arenfield and the Orcs at best accept neutrality and acceptance to the current border, mostlikely also since MC and Rumah have proven to be an issue they need to focus on.
Even assueming we'll be able to end the conflict with the Orcs along the lines I doubt they'll send anyone to fight for the people of Arenfield.
I mean look at the Goblins, MC became their Chieftain and saved them from slavery but they don't even care enough for the surface dwellers to start traiding with them... leave alone fight at their sides.

Like I said I am pretty sure the "Respect" will be altered in Julias Update... I mean I could understand if peoples oppinion on MC changes from good for nothing to decent citizen by paying your taxes on time or manageing their defences, but not to honorable citizen (like that buttler talks to MC).

MC is aware that these men were drafted from their lives and are not his enemies but victims in this battle between brothers, there is no reason for him to kill that many people, also like you say they are just moveing through or spend their day off in Arenfield, the moment those soldiers would be harmed would be the moment the King burns Arenfield to the ground.
Your outlook is to small Giron is not the Problem he is a symptom, greedy nobles a ruthless King and a war at their doorsteps mean that even if they could normally pull this off with these resources right now it's not an Option to them.

They OWN that land... bought it from Penny when she was desperate (a calculated action in hind sight), even IF Giron would agree that Penny COULD manage this land (which she can't since she can't even offer accomodations for her current workers), it's still no longer her Land and the King needs these supplies so he won't agree to let Penny buy it back on the promise she'll improve this situation in the near future.
The Devil you know is easier than the one you don't... the King would simply appoint some other minor nobles that he wants to get rid off to take over Arenfield... and VERY likely they'll be members of the Cult for the same reason.
The Coldstones controll the Cult and they have plenty of hands they can arm to oppose any change, the King is the greatest threat though that should be obvious.
MC can't face down half of the Kingdom as is, so a military or brutal solution is a no brainer.

While he wasn't a noble he blamed the high taxes on the King, now he blames them on the war and the King.
Giron is quiet calculating, opposed to Dave which is the Naive idiot for sure.
The War is the perfect excuse for minor nobles like Giron to grow their influence and power as immediatly after he got promoted to Baron his Son was to Marry a real Barons daugther ensureing that their child would be a bonafit Baron no matter what else would happen... the coommon people are kept at bay by Orc raids, Bandits and the War being this close... sure MC took care of most Bandits and keeps the Orcs at bay, but the people still fear the scale tip against them espescially should the King loose at the River point and the marching Army comeing to their doors.
I mean neither MC nor Giron or the King have planned or build any fortifications in the area, it wouldn't take much to convert that Bandit hideout south of the mine into some minuscale military Outpost to hold the street against anyone comeing from the frontline.

There are some discussions with Dave that indicate the Giron is quiet aware of MCs influence and resourcefullness, however he thinks this is an opportunity to capitalize from MCs action as being the one who ordered it and finances all his actions.
Opening the mine? MC repelled the goblins, but Giron brought in miners to get Iron and MC is paid in a free share of Iron.
Guarding the trade routes? MCs mercanerys work for Girons pay.
Gaurding Arenfield? MC gets to go taxfree
Sure MC gains recognition for his actions and initiative, but so is Giron... atleast from his view, it seems he is not really aware of how much MC helps the individual peoples and gains their personal favor aside of what he does for arenfield as a commander of the Miliz... if you handed him the raven for example you can overhear Giron tell Julia about seduceing MC and make him a marionette of Giron, Julia as docile as she is (and was raised to be) agrees to this easily.
So Giron has a reason to believe he is still in controll even if MC gains ever more influence, I mean without MC being able to overhear most of what he did he'd indeed be clueless about most of Girons motivations makeing hard to impossible to negotiate most stuff as he did.
And Giron keeps useing MCs altruistic nature against him... like guarding the southern lands and not being payed for it since it's in his own best interest and helps the people of Arenfield.

Gotta admit, I haven't had one of these meta discussions in along while and they are their own kind of fun.
Especially if they are this well thought through.
Afterall in the end it's Chyos that make these decissions.

Firstly I agree it's an interesting discussion. To clarify I'm not being petty just having a debate Just to clarify that this is NOT drama lol .. I don't do drama.

I do see your point .. for now. However I'm not so sure where the kings favor would actually fall if he became aware, through popular protest of what Giron is actually doing. See .. yes .. Giron is providing supplies and men to the frontline. But he's also lining his own pockets .. hard. This is theoretical but his agreement with your mercenary company and Johns attitude suggest to me that Giron is charging more tax than the king actually demands. And/or overcharging the king for their services. Girons biggest weakness is his greed. And you can just see it making stupid decisions for him. And in the cold light of day the king might well realise that the one who can be the greatest help to him is the one that actually does his job. Not only that but you shouldn't underestimate the Orcs and Half Orcs. Right now they are a seed but if a permanent peace can be achieved then the MC can already be chieftain of Rumah. A respected one at that. Not only that but Tia is the perfect mediator between worlds. And don't forget the town borders a forest. Which is the worst place for massed combat and 1000% the worst place to face a local force that knows the terrain. Also Giron paying mine workers is also a non issue. If Giron goes you will be paying them not him .. and far less. And I don't think they give a fuck who's paying as long as they get paid XD

I guess my point is the keys to power that the MC doesn't control he is an position to remove if necessary and as Frank Herbert so expertly pointed out. He who can destroy a thing controls a thing. Money, Influence .. These become irrelevant in that scenario. If MC gains the true abiltiy to cut the kings supply lines in war .. even temporarily then he has leverage. As you have pointed out the town is close to the front lines. If the supply lines get cut how long before ardenfield falls unter the userpers territory? And how would the usurper reward his benefactor? Now there's no guarantee that guy is any better really. But supplies are already strained to the point of breaking the town. Even a temporary disruption would force the king to fall back. And lose him the Iron mine and the Coldstones food. At a time where he needs every single scrap. Everyhing I read leads me to believe that though the king is close to victory. It's a phyrric one and the campaign rests on a knifes edge. So .. Even if the MC is not in a positon to win with brute force he doesn't necessarily need that. He could melt into the woods with his supporters which include the towns smith, and pepper the town with arrows and raid it's supplies with relative impunity. The terrain around Aedenfeld is a commited and united defenders wet dream. The fact that the orcs and bandits are still even a threat that close to town proves that. And if what I suspect is true and the MC is a royal bastard then he could actually end up taking control of the userpers forces if he turns out to be as big of an ass as Giron and the current king. It's not utterly outside the realm of possibility to see him making a rightful claim to the throne.

Scanario 1 : The King refuses, Aedenfield that is loyal to the mc retreats to the woods and cuts the supply lines. The Usurper pushes forwards and takes Aedenfield. Rewards MC for their work. Or doesn't but now you have less enemies to deal with.

Scanario 2 : The King accepts, Giron is out on his ass and the MC can then turn his attention to rooting out the cult. He will have to watch out for assassination after the war .. If the king has a brain. But the MC is pretty good at that game himself. I'm confident he can play the shadow game as well as anything the king has up his sleeve.

Either way the MC comes out on top right?

For the orcs and half orcs though I am also accounting for future possible developments. The orcs aren't just useful allies, They are an anonymous force. Hell the Coldstones already used them as such without even TALKING to them. If the MC were to take full control of the orcs he could have them attack his enemies interests with impunity for a good long while before the 'alliance' is discovered. This means that before the MC is ready to move he could switch them to aggressively raid key targets. Also if the MC continues to expand Rumah it could start taking in half orcs from all over the kingdom. The Half Orcs seem like they would rally at the chance to create their own home. Potentially expanding Rumah's forces quite significantly. And frankly I do not agree that the half orcs at least would stay out of a conflict that threatens their chieftain and savior. They know that the MC is their greatest hope of establishing a permanent home and normalizing relations with humans. And they are far from stupid. Not only that but if this king succeeds you really think he won't take a page out of daddy's books and try and exterminate the Orcs? How long do you think any declaration of 'nuetrality' would really last under that threat? Nuetrality is no defense when war is upon you. Especially since you already weakened the full blooded orcs which are the part of the equation most likely to oppose you out of bloody mindedness.

The Full Blood Orcs are more of a problem, Too much Isha in them. As Rumah's strength grows they could be conquered. But honestly looking at the chieftess I don't think they're irredeemable. Umah is more of an eh issue as without the potion she'd be well .. too orky. And how much the potion made her hate her body didn't sit right with me. But her mother's attitude suggests this is ultimately a cultural issue .. not a biological one. And you can't possibly tell me that in this world .. There are no women WHATSOEVER that have the desire to be roughly bred by an orc XD Hell my bisexual ass has that desire .. So I'm pretty sure a system could be arranged where human women could sell their 'womb' to an orc chieftain for tribute. Since the main reason they became such a rapey and raidey culture is to prevent having sons with the right to challenge them. Of course this would be a temporary peace. But it gives time to work on their culture. And change it for the better. And considering what can be done with potions and divine essence. The issue with their disproportionate male/female birth rates is possibly solvable. Not only that but looking at some simple analytics .. If this problem is not solved the orcs are a race that will disappear on their own in time. A male/female dynamic like that only really works if they breed like hell and most of the males kill each other for the privilage. The male orcs little 'hack' of capturing humans is ironically dooming their race to slowly deplete and become half orcs. Who don't seem to have this problem with female births.

Also if Giron has any thoughts that he's managed to control the MC with pussy then his intelligence network isn't just bad it's a non factor. And one should never underestimate a charismatic beloved figure. I doubt Julia's loyalty to her father and docility will persist if she gets a good look outside her gilded cage. And then she becomes a double agent.

For the kings soldiers sure poison is the harsh way. But anaesthetic and arrest is just as viable if the MC doesn't want to kill them. I was more demonstrating their vulnerabiltiy than suggesting that. These people are in the town. But they aren't guarding it. They're drinking the night away and harassing waitresses. This is not a force that is ready to fight. Hell I'd be willing to bet that at this stage most of those troops are conscripts who would be MORE than happy to work coldstones old fields rather than go and die on the front lines.

Giron is the classic example of a character who is both intelligent and stupid at the same time. He has a sharp mind but that ground is utterly, utterly salted by his greed, ambition and arrogance. If anything he reminds me of Cersei Lannister from game of thrones. A character who'se advantages have blinded them to the realities of life. And the necessity for support not just obesience. He thinks he can throw his money and status at anything that gets in his way. And line his pockets without consequence in this time of need for the nation. He's intelligent .. but utterly .. utterly moronic. It really doesn't matter how nice a soup is. Once someone pisses in it it's all over.

 

[Evangelion-01]

It's been a long time since I played also never completed to current content.
So , who are the royals in Arenfield ?

The Queen and Princess, though the later one will be missing at the end of their content.. depending on MCs previous choices this can be really bad news.

 

[Ntrsugar]

The Queen and Princess, though the later one will be missing at the end of their content.. depending on MCs previous choices this can be really bad news.

Yeah, but they aren't residents of Arenfield.
Isn't their stay temporary ?

 

[joseph000AsU]

Please help with john, he not making any progress making equipment for mercenaries...

 

[Evangelion-01]

Firstly I agree it's an interesting discussion. To clarify I'm not being petty just having a debate Just to clarify that this is NOT drama lol .. I don't do drama.

That's why I felt the need to point this out at the end of my last post... this is not for argueing who is right but rather to throw around ideas hopeing that Chyos on his occassional visits takes some ideas, in the past we even managed to give some inspiration by some of these back and forth.

I do see your point .. for now. However I'm not so sure where the kings favor would actually fall if he became aware, through popular protest of what Giron is actually doing. See .. yes .. Giron is providing supplies and men to the frontline. But he's also lining his own pockets .. hard. This is theoretical but his agreement with your mercenary company and Johns attitude suggest to me that Giron is charging more tax than the king actually demands. And/or overcharging the king for their services. Girons biggest weakness is his greed. And you can just see it making stupid decisions for him. And in the cold light of day the king might well realise that the one who can be the greatest help to him is the one that actually does his job.

It seems to me that this is the norm in the Kingdom so I can't imagine the King to actually do anything about it, as far as we know taxes have been crippling for any city in the valve, if the intro wasn't mentioning it Ophelia was.
I mean even travel restrictions like those imposed in Kirlic are a problem, yet the King allows it, afterall it gives people less opportunities to rebell, and the common people would direct their anger to their local leader rather than the King.

Not only that but you shouldn't underestimate the Orcs and Half Orcs. Right now they are a seed but if a permanent peace can be achieved then the MC can already be chieftain of Rumah. A respected one at that. Not only that but Tia is the perfect mediator between worlds.

Nice idea but the Problem is the common believe, both Ibah and Nyra made it clear that the people of Rumah have a common dislike to the white mans society since they treated them like leper.
And Tia is no exception, she also dislikes the majority of the people of Arenfield, it took her some time and corruption to accept Lyvia as MCs side wife and battle companion... Also Lyvia still refuses to visit Rumah with the two.
maybe a common base can be found in the future (like 2 or more generations), but I think it's more likely that this connection is formed with Darktholm, since they also fight against the Orcs.
My assumption is that they will take over the Deep forrest and Callan's Rest in order to keep the Orcs out, staying isolated for the most part.

And don't forget the town borders a forest. Which is the worst place for massed combat and 1000% the worst place to face a local force that knows the terrain. Also Giron paying mine workers is also a non issue. If Giron goes you will be paying them not him .. and far less. And I don't think they give a fuck who's paying as long as they get paid XD

That would demand that MC evacuates all villagers into the Forest maybe even the camp while the village gets potentially burned to the ground.
The Kings forces would approach from the West or the South and so far there is nothing MC can use to fight a Guerillia battle.
That aside the Kings spy master is well versed in the Forrest as he has been at Madra Khaz several times, sure with Imawyns ward the Camp will be safe but it's by far capable of keeping everyone from Arenfield there. Accomodations aside there is no food production and no place to actually start anything, the cave is not enough to work as washing place AND water source either (atleast for everyone in Arenfield).
If MC abondened Arenfield there is a fair chance as you mentioned, but that's not an Option for him.

Also Giron paying mine workers is also a non issue. If Giron goes you will be paying them not him .. and far less. And I don't think they give a fuck who's paying as long as they get paid XD

It doesn't matter WHO pays... it's a fact that you conquered the mines and Giron reopened it... there is a reputation boost for him in this as he proofs that he gets stuff done... even though he just capitalizes MCs achievements by displaying it favorable to him.

I guess my point is the keys to power that the MC doesn't control he is an position to remove if necessary and as Frank Herbert so expertly pointed out. He who can destroy a thing controls a thing. Money, Influence .. These become irrelevant in that scenario. If MC gains the true abiltiy to cut the kings supply lines in war .. even temporarily then he has leverage. As you have pointed out the town is close to the front lines. If the supply lines get cut how long before ardenfield falls unter the userpers territory? And how would the usurper reward his benefactor? Now there's no guarantee that guy is any better really. But supplies are already strained to the point of breaking the town. Even a temporary disruption would force the king to fall back. And lose him the Iron mine and the Coldstones food.

My point is the King is close enough to prevent a meaningfull dirsuption... I mean think about it Hakima already disrupted it when he placed Anya in Arenfield, build a hideout under her house and used her and MC to build another one in the cleared up Bandit Outpost.
He even ambushed Henry when he came with a secret message for Giron. also we never see any convoys passing through Arenfield... it's more likely that the town is a convenient place to gather his troops and move in a bulk or let them rest from their service at the frontline, the goods are moved close to Arenfield but not through Arenfield apparently.
Also if the trade route to Kirlic had such an important role it wouldn't have been in brigands hands for so long.
Also the Iron from the mine is of no concern to the King, for John it's a live line, but the Kingdom has other mines... I mean otherwise the King would have sent his army to retake it rather than Giron some of his guards (which got rooted and caused Lyvia haveing a shortage of men to begin with).

Everyhing I read leads me to believe that though the king is close to victory. It's a phyrric one and the campaign rests on a knifes edge. So .. Even if the MC is not in a positon to win with brute force he doesn't necessarily need that. He could melt into the woods with his supporters which include the towns smith, and pepper the town with arrows and raid it's supplies with relative impunity. The terrain around Aedenfeld is a commited and united defenders wet dream. The fact that the orcs and bandits are still even a threat that close to town proves that. And if what I suspect is true and the MC is a royal bastard then he could actually end up taking control of the userpers forces if he turns out to be as big of an ass as Giron and the current king. It's not utterly outside the realm of possibility to see him making a rightful claim to the throne.

The King is desperate enough to form an alliance with Orcs in order to NOT loose, nothing indicates he has won anything.
He suffered several setbacks by Hakimas sabotage, the Ravens attacks on Caravans and Ophelias conspiricy killing on of his commanders lately.
Sure he claims otherwise to assure his peoples but MC points out at several occassions that this is just bullshit.

And if what I suspect is true and the MC is a royal bastard then he could actually end up taking control of the userpers forces if he turns out to be as big of an ass as Giron and the current king. It's not utterly outside the realm of possibility to see him making a rightful claim to the throne.

I think it's more likely that he is either the son of a fallen noble or merchant... nothing that would benefit him like this, though a rebellion or declaration of indipendency might be an Option once the war actually ends, as the land will have wasted all of it's resources and soldiers in this conflict, but while it rages Arenfield is in a far to disadvantaged position

Scanario 1 : The King refuses, Aedenfield that is loyal to the mc retreats to the woods and cuts the supply lines. The Usurper pushes forwards and takes Aedenfield. Rewards MC for their work. Or doesn't but now you have less enemies to deal with.

This depends on wether you sided with Hakima or not I think, if you didn't you'd be a rebell for both Kings, that needs to be dealt with in order to secure the supply lines.

Scanario 2 : The King accepts, Giron is out on his ass and the MC can then turn his attention to rooting out the cult. He will have to watch out for assassination after the war .. If the king has a brain. But the MC is pretty good at that game himself. I'm confident he can play the shadow game as well as anything the king has up his sleeve.

Only if he is aware of the Kings movement.. the MC is only so good at this game because it's limited to Arenfield.
like I mentioned before many of teh favorable situation the MC found for himself against Giron are based on the fact, that he was able to overheart his plans in hiding, he can't do that with the King unless he moves to Parakis and builds an equal system of hidden passages and spying locations to get the knowledge.. also Giron lacks a Spymaster... the King does not.

For the orcs and half orcs though I am also accounting for future possible developments. The orcs aren't just useful allies, They are an anonymous force. Hell the Coldstones already used them as such without even TALKING to them.

They did though... I suspect they used that spymaster to negiotiate and manipulate them.
Gurthak had someone leading them to the bridge at that time and day.

If the MC were to take full control of the orcs he could have them attack his enemies interests with impunity for a good long while before the 'alliance' is discovered.

I suspect he'll be forced to either kill every Orc or transform them like he did with the Chieftains daugther.
And the last part will make them part of the Half Orcs, which would allow Rumah to take controll of Madra Khaz and Callan's rest without straining their own presence and forces in the area... even if they manage to free more of their people such a task would likely over extend them without backup.
No matter what they wouldn't be the force you make them seem to be, nor improve their motivation to get dragged into this conflict with the Kings.

And frankly I do not agree that the half orcs at least would stay out of a conflict that threatens their chieftain and savior. They know that the MC is their greatest hope of establishing a permanent home nad normalizing relations with humans.

While I'll agree about them offering MC shelter and exile this doesn't make them motivated to shed blood in another conflict even if they just ended the one they kept going for decades. also what other Half Orcs?
The intro said that the Orcs started to come back near Arenfield and their first victims where Callan's rest and Darktholme... afterwards they settled down before recently start to expand their interest towards Arenfield.
The Dark Elves and Goblins had come closer to the town than the Orcs.

How long do you think any declaration of 'nuetrality' would really just under that threat? Especially since you already weakened the full blooded orcs which are the part of the equation most likely to oppose you out of bloody mindedness.

He would try and fail, the same way his father did, he obviously underestimates the Orcs both in intellect and fighting force.
He believes he can make the Orcs loose their entire Army in his war and than just take out the weakest ones that stayed behind... With what we have seen in Madra Khaz and Callan's rest this scenario is very unlikely, the Chieftain would likely send his youngest and impatient fighters that he has trouble to controll himself and letr them get dealt with in this war, keeping his Elites at home to react to such development.

The Full Blood Orcs are more of a problem, Too much Isha in them. As Rumah's strength grows they could be conquered. But honestly looking at the chieftess I don't think they're irredeemable. Umah is more of an eh issue as without the potion she'd be well .. too orky. And how much the potion made her hate her body didn't sit right with me. But her mother's attitude suggests this is ultimately a cultural issue .. not a biological one. And you can't possibly tell me that in this world .. There are no women WHATSOEVER that have the desire to be roughly bred by an orc XD Hell my bisexual ass has that desire .. So I'm pretty sure a system could be arranged where human women could sell their 'womb' to an orc chieftain for tribute.

By culture this seems impossible, in Rumah we learned that such arrangement often lead to the death of the women as she was roughly fucked to death by the Orcs, if they learned moderations and restraints it might be possible, but the way their current society operates they'd think that any women dying from breading was meant to die anyway.
The people of Rumah refuse these tributes as we saw with Raisha... she'd sacrifice herself for her people but she disliked the idea as much as any other... and just look at Katharina, she pretty much became an outcast after being raped by an Orc... so maybe you'll be able to find a lunatic whishing to be ravished, but it's very likely she won't live for long.

Since the main reason they became such a rapey and raidey culture is to prevent having sons with the right to challenge them.

They raided themselfes before some of them decided to become weaker in order to build peacefull lives, afterwards the Orcs just had an much easier target, also they had betrayed Gromthul and Orcs got rallied by his Champions to deal with those traitors.
Fucking their women to death was just the fun part of this.

If this problem is not solved the orcs are a race that will disappear on their own in time. A male/female dynamic like that only really works if they breed like hell and most of the males kill each other for the privilage. The male orcs little 'hack' of capturing humans is ironically dooming their race to slowly deplete and become half orcs. Who don't seem to have this problem with female births.

The Problem is that beyond the mountain range there is a wild land were potentially several thousand Orcs live, so even if on our side of the mountain there seem far less they also replenish any killed Orc in around 3 days without feeling pressured, otherwise they'd likely send a stronger force from beyond the mountain to deal with Rumah.
I still think the only real Option with the Orcs is a peace on the NTR route and turning them like that Orc girl (in the Vanilla route) in order to have a combined fighting force and several strongholds to hold off the Orcs, the next generation of Half Orcs will have a higher output of females as human evolution had proofen so the new settlements had potential of growth.

Also if Giron has any thoughts that he's managed to control the MC with pussy then his intelligence network isn't just bad it's a non factor. And one should never underestimate a charismatic beloved figure. I doubt Julia's loyalty to her father and docility will persist if she gets a good look outside her gilded cage. And then she becomes a double agent.

Indeed but Giron is likely convinced that the leash he raised his children with are strong enough to wistand any outer influence... I mean he likely compares it with how Dave grew up... though let's be honest Dave is a weakling that only seeks his fathers approval.... the day Giron dies he'll likely loose all drive and become a depressed asshole rather than a simple asshole.

For the kings soldiers sure poison is the harsh way. But anaesthetic and arrest is just as viable if the MC doesn't want to kill them. I was more demonstrating their vulnerabiltiy than suggesting that. These people are in the town. But they aren't guarding it. They're drinking the night away and harassing waitresses. This is not a force that is ready to fight.

That still puts up the Problem of where to arrest them and how to deal with the Kings immediate retalliation.

Yeah, but they aren't residents of Arenfield.
Isn't their stay temporary ?

That is what was planned, but after the Queens learns about the fate of her daugther she seeks MCs help and tries to spperate herself from her husband causing her to prolong her stay in Arenfield from that point on.
She was expected to return to Parakis after she handed over her daugther so she could be married to the Orc chief and seal the alliance.