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HillDweller

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I really want to give a try this game but i can't .... The art is so weird..
give it a chance, you'll get into it in no time. After a while your mind starts to fill in missing details.
That said, sex scenes are barren AF; the visuals are fine, but they need some animation
 

Jash83

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I’d say it’s about the difference between NTR and swinging/polyamourous/open relationships. If everyone has sex with everyone, is it a world of NTR?

In the quote you are also ignoring the "designed to cause jealousy" part of the definition.

The sister isn’t sucking stranger’s dicks to cause jealously, she is doing it because she likes it. Likewise, the MC is not jealous of it. Same with the MomxSis scenes or the implied JanexEffi content. It’s the opposite, rather. I’m fairly sure Effi mentioning that Jane and John both taste the same is meant to be sexy.

It gets further into NTR territory with Hitomi’s scene, but even there, I’m not sure the scene is supposed to evoke jealousy. Hitomi is not a girlfriend. She’s just a random sexual encounter. At most she is a sexfriend. As far as I recall it is also less of a jealous "That’s my girl!" reaction and more of a extreme reaction to the unexpected situation. ("She deserves better!" is how the MC phrases if I recall correctly.)

I’d personally categorize the scene with the mother as NTR, because the following dialogue has some strong themes of humiliation. It’s a sex scene intentionally made to make the players feel bad and the MC feels betrayed. But even then, it is a bit ridiculous to call a wife having sex with her husband NTR. If anything, you, the MC, are cuckolding the father.

At least for me, the formula goes like this:
1) The Cuck has to feel entitled to the Stolen Lover. (Cannot just be a random person.)
2) The scenario has to feel like a betrayal of their relationship. (Cannot just find it hot and approve or be indifferent.)

It’s all about expectations. If you are the 20th person who fucks the town slut, it’s not NTR if there is a number 21. If you go to a prostitute, that’s also not NTR. If you go wife-swapping, that’s also not NTR. If you randomly fuck someone at the nude beach, it’s not NTR if that person then also fucks someone else. If you and your sister both have fun at the glory hole and then also (later) have sex with each other and each get another sex buddy, that’s not NTR. It’s just people having sex.

Of course that’s just my interpretation. It’s controversial enough that I decided to include examples in the FAQ instead of saying it definitely is or isn’t NTR.
Fuck. Yes. Christ am I sick of hearing people whining about "NTR!" without any actual understanding of what it actually is, like morons bitching about their "free speech" being "censored" when they find themselves facing backlash for saying that all homosexuals should be burned at the stake.

NTR -that is, netorare, not to be confused with netori- is a very specific fetish. It's about a character, almost universally a man, being shamed and humiliated by their partner being taken away from them by another to make them feel sexually inadequate. It is a masochistic fetish, like being femdommed, tied up and whipped, or sissified, about taking taboo pleasure from something ostensibly horribly unpleasant and degrading, with the entire point here being the crushing feeling of shame and disgrace (usually compounded by the partner expressing how much better the sex is with the new lover to really rub it in, and the shameful feelings of arousal at seeing their partner being pleasured better than they could). Anything else is not NTR.

It's very tiring having to listen to the endless whining by very thin-skinned snowflakes (another badly-misused term; a true "snowflake" isn't someone who dares to express offence at something that is intended to be offensive, but someone who melts the first time they don't get whatever triviality they want to go their way) about how "there's a female character in this game who is having sex with a character who ISN'T ME, I'm being cucked arghhhhh!!!" I mean Christ almighty, how do these people even live with themselves?! Don't they realise that at this very second there are millions of women all across the world having sex with men who aren't them?! My GOD! How do they even watch porn without wanting to kill themselves in shame of being cucked so blatantly?
 

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My GOD! How do they even watch porn without wanting to kill themselves in shame of being cucked so blatantly?
Imagine feeling angry and jealous because your favorite pornstar gets fucked by some guy. :ROFLMAO:
Seriously gotta rethink you life then.
 
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Kyraen

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Imagine wanting it to be great for your love interests to go around fucking others as their path is about growing closer to you on an emotional and romantic level.

Truly, the duality of man.
 
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Demoness_Kiss

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still buggy?
still full of placeholder and just text-walls

the dev insists in pushing the story forward...but there are placeholders and incomplete sketches in older parts of the story (like when MC wakes up after receiving Ellie's weird but horny messages and MC is naked on the floor and mother found him there and hug him)

this game used to be one of my favourite...now...just i feel like the dev doesn't play his own game...
 

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I really do think the dev should take a breather and take a step back before continuing on with the new content since he will be digging the hole even bigger for himself if he doesn't go back and iron out all the WIP images and all the looming bugs that are still in the game. (I think that most of the devs fan base that loves his game will gladly wait for him to go back and get everything looking pretty and get everything working properly then coming back and continue working on the new content (That will also make everything alot faster and easier for the dev too iron out in the future as the game continues on).
 
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Samhill

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Changelog says: "Main Story Progression" but also says, "New Main Story Content written but not coded in" so is there progression?
 

RoughlySpecific

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the dev insists in pushing the story forward...but there are placeholders and incomplete sketches in older parts of the story (like when MC wakes up after receiving Ellie's weird but horny messages and MC is naked on the floor and mother found him there and hug him)

this game used to be one of my favourite...now...just i feel like the dev doesn't play his own game...
I speculate that the reason for this is that the writer, who does nothing other than writing the new story, keeps producing new content. Even when the coder suddenly vanishes and Geeseki has a giant pile of unfinished tasks, the writer keeps adding new things. Therefore, Geeseki is trying to at least stay on top of that one endless task.

Agreed, though. There should be an update or two that only consists of Geeseki drawing the full scenes and replacing the art assets.
Changelog says: "Main Story Progression" but also says, "New Main Story Content written but not coded in" so is there progression?
There is a bunch of new story coded in. However, the locations are pretty much all just sketches. So you are talking to a complete character sprite before a background of white with black lines.
 
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BupoTiling03-Retired

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Changelog says: "Main Story Progression" but also says, "New Main Story Content written but not coded in" so is there progression?
I've been a developer of other games (non-adult) and this kind of statement means "no but I'll gladly accept your money anyway", despite whatever RoughlySpecific appears (to me) to be saying. (Anyone else thinking they're much more related to this project than just a random internet face? Maybe I've missed something...)

If you try to buy lilies you'll throw an error. It's a typo in several areas of code using "flowerlillies" versus "flowerlilies" (which it should be). There are several places for the developer(s) to fix, including renaming the PNG used in the game. I used "flowerlilies" which is the correct spelling of multiple lilies. I've attached an archive everyone can use to temporarily side-step this issue. Extract it into the ./game folder. Merge the files and folders. You'll be able to buy the lilies and trigger some kind of event for it in the Kitchen during the Day (no idea of anything else) and your Bedroom at Night, relating to the Story (some kind of Nap/Sleep event). This patch is temporary until the developer(s) go through the code and rename lillies to lilies and fixes file locations for PNGs as well. This is at least relevant to version 0.32.X.
 
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RoughlySpecific

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Anyone else thinking they're much more related to this project than just a random internet face? Maybe I've missed something...
You’re missing that ever since I’ve started the FAQ I’ve made a habit of keeping this thread and a tab with the development log open in the background.

Regarding my suggestion that this update was worth it for one update (if the last version you played was 0.30 and if you ignore that it took 4 freaking months), that is mostly in contrast to the absolutely pointless last update. v0.31 added effectively nothing for the players and I discouraged everyone from even bothering to download that version.

Also, I’m used to the fact that Geeseki is an absolute garbage programmer at this point and by now I’m assuming that everyone who is thinking about whether they want to check out the latest version is also aware that there will be easily avoided and sometimes game-breaking bugs. The MomxSis route is still garbage, you’ve mentioned the lilies and I’m fairly sure that one of the new dialogue texts was just a code about "insert character quote" number something or other.
 
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