VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [P2 v0.225 + P1 v0.152] [Lust & Passion]

[Sabertooth__]

To be blunt he will say whatever he wants to keep his ass looking legitimate. That was not the physical representation he presented. That is why so many are upset with his presentation and why he has a SHOTA TAG. You can stop with the sugar coating. The horse has been dead since the first post on this topic.

He deliberately did that I know it. He himself addressed it in the message to me, that he made them look like that for the taboo immersion of the kink. Also there is no point of looking legitimate because he could have said that they are 10yr olds and it still won't make a difference since as per law this is still an artistic expression and not illegal. I am not saying that excercising this kink in the real world is okay, IT'S ABSOLUTELY NOT. For a fictional game however it is effectively this kink shaming people who do like it. Constantly telling them that what they are playing or supporting is illegal. While yourself engaging in kinks that are ILLEGAL as well. This I don't stand for. I have no interest in shota either but it doesn't bother me if someone else likes it.

It's hard for me to understand why there's so much debate about the disciples. There can be no doubt that regardless of what messages are passed back and forth between Patreons and the developer, and no matter what text is presented in the script file, the images we were presented were deliberately created - nothing L&P does is an accident - to evoke in our minds three boys in early-stage puberty. The script was also written in such a way that (depending on choices, of course) the adult molesting the children convinces herself that this is a harmless action.

If you like that, well, that's great for you. If you want to talk about how much you like it, fine. But don't pretend it was something other than sexual abuse of children, and certainly don't debase yourself by trying to argue otherwise.

In real life yes this sexual abuse, do you think I will have a different opinion on it, absolutely not. In the game however mentioning that this action is illegal or wrong and gets jail time in real life is not needed. Because as I have mentioned several times this is a fictional kink dynamic. The player enjoys it because he is an adult imaging a scenario where he is a teenager ( his thoughts however are not if a teenager but yours, of an adult ) and is in this stimulating situation with an older woman. Not because he loves to see children getting sexually abused but because of a wishful fantasy scenario. Very similar to Dylan and Sam scenario, teenager getting lucky with a older woman. No outrage was shown for the game initially when Dylan and Sam, Ellie looked like little children ( even younger than the Myer boys ). The movers checking out a child like looking girl wasn't disturbing for people, a small Sam rubbing his dick on Sophia's butt wasn't problematic as well. But suddenly now people are considering the legality of things.

 

[Alley_Cat]

About this point, I mean if someone were to find out you play this game. Then they will also see the images of a little Dylan and Sam groping Sophia, a 17yr old ( under 18) daughter and a 16 yr old Son ( again under 18, I mention it because the people you refer to won't care about age of consent and stuff, if your character is under 18, it is illegal in their eyes, no justification is enough for them ) trying to fuck their own mother, neighbors kids trying to get into her pants, a teacher getting blackmailed by a teenager, sexual harassment, naked old men being bathed. Son masturbating to his mom etc etc..... While remembering the son is just 6-8 months older than the oldest boy in the other storyline. You say all this is totally justifiable to others but just this one route isn't. If someone finds out at your respective works that you play such a game and have images like this on your laptop, you're fucked anyways.

So this whole point about the images getting seen and it being a issue is no valid argument here. Also why do you want to extract the images and then keep this set of images on your PC. Delete them. And I don't expect someone to have access to your laptop for so long at work that they go through entire awam to reach day 19 and see this event ( also to see this event they will have to refuse the first job, which anyway playing for the first time won't refuse. So a first playthrough will never even show them the storyline. )

Also I would like to say that there are games here with tons of other fetishes which are actually bizarre but people still play them. As for ILLEGAL, so is incest. but then again I don't want to debate on the legality once again. Most of the things that happen in this game can definitely get one to prison in real life. But that's the point, this isn't real life but merely a fictional game, harming no one where one can engage in a fetish of their desire without being judged.

If that were even slightly true, there'd be no reason for L&P to create DoL. He'd be able to openly make AWAM on Patreon, and not keep secrets as to what he is doing.

 

[Talcum Powder]

He deliberately did that I know it. He himself addressed it in the message to me, that he made them look like that for the taboo immersion of the kink. I am not saying that in the real world this okay. But effectively this kink shaming people who do like it. Constantly telling them that what they are playing or supporting is illegal. While yourself engaging in kinks that are ILLEGAL as well. This I don't stand for. I have no interest in shota either but it doesn't bother me if someone else likes it.

In real life yes this sexual abuse, do you think I will have a different opinion on it, absolutely not. In the game however mentioning that this action is illegal or wrong and gets jail time in real life is not needed. Because as I have mentioned several times this is a fictional kink dynamic. The player enjoys it because he is an adult imaging a scenario where he is a teenager ( his thoughts however are not if a teenager but yours, of an adult ) and is in this stimulating situation with an older woman. Not because he loves to see children getting sexually abused but because of a wishful fantasy scenario. Very similar to Dylan and Sam scenario, teenager getting lucky with a older woman. No outrage was shown for the game initially when Dylan and Sam, Ellie looked like little children ( even younger than the Myer boys ). The movers checking out a child like looking girl wasn't disturbing for people, a small Sam rubbing his dick on Sophia's butt wasn't problematic as well. But suddenly now people are considering the legality of things.

I generally agree there isn't much use in discussing the in-game legality of what everyone's up to in San Alejo. I mean it's pretty well written for a porn game but like any fiction you have to be prepared for some level of suspension of disbelief. Ok, so those boys are "17 and 16". If you say so. I'm not debating what the content says they are. I'm saying and you're not contradicting that L&P's intent was to present to us a grown woman justifying and rationalizing that it was ok to jerk on what was intended to evoke in our minds, some pubescent pepe.

I don't think there's much to gain by discussing or debating whether having the cartoon images on your hard drive constitutes a crime, let alone one that would get someone prosecuted, convicted and sentenced.

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So, probably not worth worrying too much about that.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Which point are you exactly referring to from my post. I'll answer it

All of it really. But I'm only trying to establish that there are reasonable objections to playing the 2nd side job. And that any claim to "realism" and "class" are long gone. I've already said under Forum Rules playing the 2nd side job is deemed acceptable. I've had enough of my posts deleted for "kink-shaming" for me to accept that.

And as for characters being underage, I have issues with the Dylan and Sam routes too, not just Ava's kids. I just choose not to play them. As far as I'm concerned in my playthrough, all characters Sophia gets intimate with are over 18, and I've argued as much for a while now.

 

[Hlextor]

As far as I'm concerned in my playthrough, all characters Sophia gets intimate with are over 18,

Ellie is 17, so now you have an issue with her age too? You believe my age list when it comes to Dylan and Sam. But not with Ellie? Don't be silly, cat.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Ellie is 17, so now you have an issue with her age too? You believe my age list when it comes to Dylan and Sam. But not with Ellie? Don't be silly, cat.

I don't believe any of your age list. And I wont until it gets posted publicly, like on Subscribestar. Verifiable, like always.

 

[Punctured Lemon]

Sofia tested positive

 

[Hlextor]

I don't believe any of your age list. And I wont until it gets posted publicly, like on Subscribestar. Verifiable, like always.

Now I feel sorry for you! Now you can only play good wife without Ellie and Jules. Lesbian only with adults.

 

[Sabertooth__]

All of it really. But I'm only trying to establish that there are reasonable objections to playing the 2nd side job. And that any claim to "realism" and "class" are long gone. I've already said under Forum Rules playing the 2nd side job is deemed acceptable. I've had enough of my posts deleted for "kink-shaming" for me to accept that.

And as for characters being underage, I have issues with the Dylan and Sam routes too, not just Ava's kids. I just choose not to play them. As far as I'm concerned in my playthrough, all characters Sophia gets intimate with are over 18, and I've argued as much for a while now.

I agree with the way the story was written it wasn't realistic or believable and thrived heavily on porn logic. L&P's biggest mistake with this was incorporating too much into one event, not giving the story time to develop, especially one like this needed more time, not emphasizing the facts that cause Sophia to allow it. Like he could have had one more class in between, where Sophia is thoroughly checked by Ava before letting her in, Sophia tries numerous ways to explain and teach and they all fail. After ending the class she thinks what to do. Next class she tries to sneak in some material but fails to, uses another new method to teach but the boys still don't understand or show interest and so now Sophia finally agrees to let them take their dicks out. But instead of her hands she only uses the pointer in this class. Next class L&P could continue with the condom. His job was to convince the players thoroughly that there was no other way for her, that's what he didn't do. The initial bar had to be crossed properly, beyond that the story could progress at any pace he wanted.

My problem is only people bringing age and morality into question while simultaneously engaging in other immoral stuff. Everyone is free to like and dislike things and I have no issues with people not liking the 2nd side job, it's their choice.

I generally agree there isn't much use in discussing the in-game legality of what everyone's up to in San Alejo. I mean it's pretty well written for a porn game but like any fiction you have to be prepared for some level of suspension of disbelief. Ok, so those boys are "17 and 16". If you say so. I'm not debating what the content says they are. I'm saying and you're not contradicting that L&P's intent was to present to us a grown woman justifying and rationalizing that it was ok to jerk on what was intended to evoke in our minds, some pubescent pepe.



I don't think there's much to gain by discussing or debating whether having the cartoon images on your hard drive constitutes a crime, let alone one that would get someone prosecuted, convicted and sentenced.

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So, probably not worth worrying too much about that.

Exactly, as I replied above, people are free to dislike it, but bringing in morality, legality, age of consent, prison etc is not needed. Just ignore parts of the game one does not like and enjoy the parts that one does.

 

[globsis]

excuse me, what are you arguing about? in some countries of the planet Earth, girls at the age of 12 are married off - in accordance with the law. don't you like that the characters look young from your point of view? so write to the developer - what are the problems? sorry for my english.

 

[Jude6]

Why would Sophia betray her daughter?And Logan has a big mouth so trying to keep it quiet will be impossible

Nah man, you're thinking about it all wrong
Say Ellie and Sophia end up somewhere more private with Logan and the douche squad, then Ellie starts getting hot and heavy with Logan but decides not to go all the way at the last second - Sophia will need to be there to placate Logan and 'throw herself on his sword'

 

[nexer]

Nah man, you're thinking about it all wrong
Say Ellie and Sophia end up somewhere more private with Logan and the douche squad, then Ellie starts getting hot and heavy with Logan but decides not to go all the way at the last second - Sophia will need to be there to placate Logan and 'throw herself on his sword'

Yes, I think so too, the long hot straight event will be towards evening and possibly in a nightclub/... Ellie/Logan and Sophia/somebody. There are a few more steps to be taken in the Sophia/Ellie relationship before that.
IMO, Patricia would get in the way and won't be there.

 

[hzjujk]

The ability of people to deceive themselves always surprises me. Here are the facts:

1. Will Sophia cheat on her husband? Yes!
2. Will Liam be hurt if he catches his Sophia in bed with another woman? Yes!
3. Is lesbian adultery a breach of mutual promise? Yes!
4. Is incest forbidden and an integral part of the game? Yes!
5. Are many of the protagonists (including Elli) still under 18 years old? Yes!
6. Does the game rightly include Shota Tag? Yes!
7. Does the game contain sexual violence? Yes!
8. Can I chat about the game with my work colleagues during lunch break? No!

It is clear to me that there are people here who are aware of these facts and find them unbearable. And that it is difficult for these people to ignore these facts and still play the game because there are things in the game that they like.
It is interesting that the discussion between the L&P critics and its supporters is similar. Here, too, arguments from both sides are weighted differently.

 

[NewTricks]

Am I the only one who thinks this thread is fast becoming a raging dumpster fire of blazing dog shit? Between the shithouse lawyers clutching their pearls about dubious content and the wankers begging for Sophia to open her legs before her vagina seals up forever it is like watching a civil war fought by smurfs. Meanwhile, the creator seems to think that he is making the Citizen Kane of jerk-off games. It's a fever dream of a circus where masturbating clowns are discussing art history and greek mythology while the ringmaster is being buried in an enormous shit taken by an angry elephant. We are closing in on 3500 messages and most of them are about Dylan. For the love of God can we stop the insanity before this thread gets archived? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

 

[exazubi]

And that it is difficult for these people to ignore these facts and still play the game because there are things in the game that they like.

I think we'll talk about that as soon as they ARE actually inside. So far everything is just teasing

 

[Hlextor]

8. Can I chat about the game with my work colleagues during lunch break? No!

 

[ancienregimele]

Still, I don't see how anyone can see this as good. No sex even 1 year in is a shit game. Now 3 years+ still none but husband and never even see her pussy. Are Southern Baptist fundies and the Taliban upvoting this? That might make sense but to anyone sane this game is at best PG so far and shit. Adult games without sex are about as good as decaf coffee, non-alcoholic beer or a prostitute that only lets you cuddle. This far in both here and Patreon should say "shit game, ban the dev."
This is a ROMANCE NOVEL for extremely prudish women, not a sex game. I think anyone who likes this needs their head examined and probably be sent to a mental hospital or to be checked for frigidity or for a male underdeveloped testicles. Any normal male stuck playing this would be screaming in pain due to balls crossing from blue to purple to black.

Frustrated much? First off, the insults, which were uncalled for. Insulting the fans on a pirate site will not make the game/VN go faster. It won't make sex scenes appear. Moreover the Dev has expressed his intense dislike for the place & apart from finding the pirates here objectionable, will not be influenced by, or accept suggestions from them. He has made this abundantly clear, so it's debatable whether he's heard your cry of frustration at all.

AWAM does have many elements common to romantic novels but I suggest that an extemely prudish woman would find many other aspects distasteful. Do we need our heads examined, sending to a mental hospital, or checking for frigidity, or maybe for under-developed testicles? No, no, no & no but then again, maybe......BUT not because we play this game. This is not fap material. Perhaps you hadn't realised. This is an erotic story, mainly of interest to adults. Adults who may, or may not have fulfilling sex lives but who probably don't play AWAM because it's something they want to wank off to. There's no rule that says all adult games/VNs have to contain large portions of sexual activity. Such a rule has never existed. Erotic & porn aren't always the same thing. I'm guessing you're young, which is NOT meant as an insult. What I will say is that I was probably reading porn long before you were born. I've come across a lot. It doesn't make me an expert but I do tend to know what I'm talking about.

I, like many here, have a list of complaints about this game, as well as a roll call of things I like about it. I'm free to stop playing at any time & thought I'd gone into semi-retirement from this thread, (at least until the next update), when your egregiously insulting diatribe brought me back for a short while. You see, I've been called many things but an "extremely prudish woman" !?!?, that's new.

 

[ancienregimele]

Am I the only one who thinks this thread is fast becoming a raging dumpster fire of blazing dog shit? Between the shithouse lawyers clutching their pearls about dubious content and the wankers begging for Sophia to open her legs before her vagina seals up forever it is like watching a civil war fought by smurfs. Meanwhile, the creator seems to think that he is making the Citizen Kane of jerk-off games. It's a fever dream of a circus where masturbating clowns are discussing art history and greek mythology while the ringmaster is being buried in an enormous shit taken by an angry elephant. We are closing in on 3500 messages and most of them are about Dylan. For the love of God can we stop the insanity before this thread gets archived? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

Yes, Stop the madness and "Bring back the full Bennett." ASAP!

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

About this point, I mean if someone were to find out you play this game. Then they will also see the images of a little Dylan and Sam groping Sophia, a 17yr old ( under 18) daughter and a 16 yr old Son ( again under 18, I mention it because the people you refer to won't care about age of consent and stuff, if your character is under 18, it is illegal in their eyes, no justification is enough for them ) trying to fuck their own mother, neighbors kids trying to get into her pants, a teacher getting blackmailed by a teenager, sexual harassment, naked old men being bathed. Son masturbating to his mom etc etc..... While remembering the son is just 6-8 months older than the oldest boy in the other storyline. You say all this is totally justifiable to others but just this one route isn't. If someone finds out at your respective works that you play such a game and have images like this on your laptop, you're fucked anyways.

So this whole point about the images getting seen and it being a issue is no valid argument here. Also why do you want to extract the images and then keep this set of images on your PC. Delete them. And I don't expect someone to have access to your laptop for so long at work that they go through entire awam to reach day 19 and see this event ( also to see this event they will have to refuse the first job, which anyway playing for the first time won't refuse. So a first playthrough will never even show them the storyline. )

Also I would like to say that there are games here with tons of other fetishes which are actually bizarre but people still play them. As for ILLEGAL, so is incest. but then again I don't want to debate on the legality once again. Most of the things that happen in this game can definitely get one to prison in real life. But that's the point, this isn't real life but merely a fictional game, harming no one where one can engage in a fetish of their desire without being judged.

You can't go to prison for possessing images of incest.
You can go to prison for possessing IMAGES of pedophilia.
Until you understand that simple point, there is no further point in discussing it further.

 

[Bill_Buttlicker]

You can't go to prison for possessing images of incest.
You can go to prison for possessing IMAGES of pedophilia.
Until you understand that simple point, there is no further point in discussing it further.