VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [P2 v0.225 + P1 v0.152] [Lust & Passion]

[Sabertooth__]

I'm sorry but what a load of crap when you say L&P would pump 5000+ renders in 6 months if that was the quality of his renders.
L&P NEVER PUMPED 5000+ RENDERS IN 6 MONTHS even when his renders where below in quality. Ever. He always had a slow pace, even when he did normal renders, and it's getting slower and slower.

And if the games need such quality for yourself to play, I wonder how you kept playing AWAM after encountering less quality renders in the first half of the story.

Don't come with hypothetical bs trying to defend your point.

From a technical standpoint L&P's initial renders too are far better than the crap I saw from Badik's renders whereyou can't differentiate the door from the floor and numerous other examples

And when he delivered renders initially that was the best he could do as he was learning it all on his own. The present L&P knows enough to easily make something this far below standard and 100% pump out 5000 such sub par renders. If an artist just makes 1 third class render on his first day of daz doesn't mean that even after 10 years of experience he will still be able to make only 1 third class render in the whole day. For one that person would be able to make high quality art and still deliver 4-5 renders and if he is asked to make renders of the same quality as his first day, he would easily be able to 20-30 of them. Listen to your logic man. It makes no sense.

I don't makeup stuff and say BS. It's evident. I have seen Dev's with 100 patrons do better art than that for their games. BaDik might have a good story and great game mechanics but it is blatantly evident where he gets the time for that.

I started playing 3d games with no regard for render quality, I didn't even know those pictures were called renders and this the game that changed the standards for me. I used to be content with the quality of Devin's life because I didn't know better. L&P initial renders still had effects and details to them, they weren't poor quality. They don't hold a candle to what he can do now but they aren't all that bad. Just because something isn't shiny and eye soothing doesn't mean it is bad.

 

[poodles]

Is there a .130 version for Mac? Am I missing anything major by using the Mac version? I'm starting from the very beginning.

 

[Talcum Powder]

OK, maybe I can make a porn game with renders using Filament and who knows, make more money than DPC.
Good to know

Dude, it’s a good game. You’re missing out on a lot of fun, a lot of fun characters and situations. And the tennis.

 

[Talcum Powder]

It's the other way around. You are the one who is trolling. Nexer showed you facts and truths, and you are refusing to accept them for your points.

Never is taking a straw man argument: no one seriously thinks BaDIK has better artwork, no one is saying that as far as I can tell. It’s completely disingenuous to argue the point.

 

[bayrischman]

Yeah, this update will come in November 1-7

a dream of all of us. a month later is realistic.

 

[roro]

No one believes that shit buttlicker.

Regarding the so called troll claim, no one said those first two points. And if that's what you interpreted even after screenshots of posts of that very same novice saying it wasn't at the same level, then go get your head checked or maybe try to be a better person, someone with a hint of honesty is enough.



Regarding the third point, L&P was caught lying here in the very same day. He confuses himself with all the lies he tells, poor guy.

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Now go back to your main account L&P.

Either you've got a really poor deduction ability, or you're spamming lies to propagate your agenda. In the first quote, he implicitly says "at some parts of the game", and in the second quote it's obvious he refers to the art creation. Where's the contradiction here? We know he works with someone on the translation part, and he's got a programmer for the DOL part.

 

[roro]

DPC almost spends as much in music as L&P makes from his VN, let that sink in that brain of yours.
We're comparing both devs products. DPC has a way better product, that's why he has his games on steam and 10x the patrons L&P has.

Also try to get a spine. All shit talk behind closed doors and when L&P shows up you bend over.

Another obvios lie. An average of 4,250$ (impressive indeed) is nowhere close to what L&P makes in 5 months. Even if you compare what DPC spends on music in 5 months to what L&P earns in 1 month (which isn't comparable and only a troll would do), that's probably less then 1/2. Far from "almost".
But what do you care? For you It's only an opportunity to spam here...

 

[roro]

Never is taking a straw man argument: no one seriously thinks BaDIK has better artwork, no one is saying that as far as I can tell. It’s completely disingenuous to argue the point.

One that I remember here.

 

[bayrischman]

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Either you've got a really poor deduction ability, or you're spamming lies to propagate your agenda. In the first quote, he implicitly says "at some parts of the game", and in the second quote it's obvious he refers to the art creation. Where's the contradiction here? We know he works with someone on the translation part, and he's got a programmer for the DOL part.

it will now be a private feud between viperdonkey and saabertoth. sophia is the best . then comes isabella from being a dik.

 

[nexer]

We cannot say that DPC does not reuse assets



Let's take a look at this one


The sheet covering the two, you can clearly see the triangles and the edges. It's not the most successful simulation and the resolution is low. You save time.

 

[nexer]

In the US some doors are narrower, OK , but should at least be aligned to the wall surface. 3 doors each aligned to a different wall, but we only have one wall
Seems like something done in a hurry.

 

[Drill Sergeant]

Just thinking out loud, this game is slow whatever anyone says differently, the content is not worth 4yrs ( soon to be). No hate nor complaining, just facts and yeah DPC is a genius, period.

 

[nexer]

The product of DPC is his games. The product of L&P is his VN.
Based on how many people support one and the other, their rating, their publishing.. It's not hard to figure out who has the better product.
L&P isn't the only one with better renders than DPC. Stopper also has better renders. There's actually at least 5 games/VNS with better renders. Does it make them a better game? No.
That's why one has enough support to spend L&Ps networth in music for his products that go on the most popular game distributors platform in the world.

At this point not sure if you're trolling or if you're straight up not all there.

Going through the images in ep7 I draw some conclusions:
1. Kim Kardashian is more popular than a lot of women much more beautiful than her. That a game is popular doesn't mean it's the best at everything. I think most of Badik's patrons are teenagers.
2. Beautiful characters, face first.
3. Skin is not important, some characters have poor quality skins.
4. Except characters, the rest is very unimportant for most players.

I think a text at the beginning of a scene like:
"We are on a beach but nothing would be seen around would be acceptable to most Badik patrons"

 

[roro]

Just thinking out loud, this game is slow whatever anyone says differently, the content is not worth 4yrs ( soon to be). No hate nor complaining, just facts and yeah DPC is a genius, period.

Facts? Not worth 4 yrs is an opinion! My opinion is different than yours. That doesn't mean I don't want it to be faster just like you and everyone else.

 

[I_Love_Moms]

Just wondering how this thread was once a happy place to discuss future updates and exchange ideas. Now, it has turned into a clusterfuck. I'm not complaining, as I kinda enjoy it. But why so much trolling and hating? After all, we're all here to fap.

 

[nexer]

Just wondering how this thread was once a happy place to discuss future updates and exchange ideas. Now, it has turned into a clusterfuck. I'm not complaining, as I kinda enjoy it. But why so much trolling and hating? After all, we're all here to fap.

My opinion is a bit different. They started criticizing minor things, praising the work of others which should be proven.
I think there should have been a response, to restore order to things.

One is faster but sacrificing quality. We could compare this to a food product, cheaper but with many E's.

I think a comparison with DPC needs more arguments not just the number of renders. It is very possible that the lighting system used by L&P is 5-10 times more time consuming than the one used by DPC (when it exists ).
Here an open window but no lights, no shadows, a background .... I don't know where a wall begins and ends I think I need glasses .
Even without glasses I can see an armchair in Low Poly



My PC won't let me play too much with renders/lights but we have a few in the forum that might give hints about the time needed.

 

[r0rschack]

Just wondering how this thread was once a happy place to discuss future updates and exchange ideas. Now, it has turned into a clusterfuck. I'm not complaining, as I kinda enjoy it. But why so much trolling and hating? After all, we're all here to fap.

Problem is that there's nothing here to fap

 

[yihman1]

How did this thread turn into a Being a Dik thread? That game has absolutely nothing to do with this game at all.

DIK:

Sandbox
Many Minigames
Male Protagonist
Tons and tons of sex
No Incest
Dik / Chick moral alignment
Coomer Approved

AWAM:

Visual Novel
No Minigames
Female Protagonist
Tons and tons of teasing
Incest
Good Wife / Filthy moral alignment
Blue Balls

The two games are not very similar at all. Here is what they share in common:

Toxic Fans
Huge Download size
Endless whining in the forums
People want more updates more often

 

[VanDarkBalls]

How did this thread turn into a Being a Dik thread? That game has absolutely nothing to do with this game at all.

DIK:

Sandbox
Many Minigames
Male Protagonist
Tons and tons of sex
No Incest
Dik / Chick moral alignment
Coomer Approved

AWAM:

Visual Novel
No Minigames
Female Protagonist
Tons and tons of teasing
Incest
Good Wife / Filthy moral alignment
Blue Balls

The two games are not very similar at all. Here is what they share in common:

Toxic Fans
Huge Download size
Endless whining in the forums
People want more updates more often

No Minigames
Here you are absolutely wrong, AWAM has a combat system called Dylan the Destroyer

 

[Old Dog]

My opinion is a bit different. They started criticizing minor things, praising the work of others which should be proven.
I think there should have been a response, to restore order to things.

One is faster but sacrificing quality. We could compare this to a food product, cheaper but with many E's.

I think a comparison with DPC needs more arguments not just the number of renders. It is very possible that the lighting system used by L&P is 5-10 times more time consuming than the one used by DPC (when it exists ).

My PC won't let me play too much with renders/lights but we have a few in the forum that might give hints about the time needed.

Lighting can be time consuming and since L&P uses his own lighting for his scenes it can be tricky,I have used 3-4 different lighting assets on my renders and then filtering/progressive rendering all play a part as well.
The poses/clothing can also be very tricky
Take a look at the renders below.
The Delia Negligee is a nightmare to use especially if you have the character sitting down,very time consuming.


Also after messing a round with the poses used in these renders, it is not as easy as it looks.
Yes you could move Sophia upwards but then you would have to move the arms/shoulders/torso so that the hands would be touching the desk,to make this pose look natural is not that easy.

This is another pose that looks simple but it is not that easy to do

So I have to take back some of the stuff that I have said about the poses.
I have tried all the poses above in the F.A section and to make them look good and natural is not an not easy task.
Yes you could use preloaded poses but they always cause errors,body positioning,and then you would have to fit the clothes to the character(dforce).