VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [P2 v0.225 + P1 v0.152] [Lust & Passion]

[Barretto24]

No, her intent was to draw the line right then and there. She even had an inner monologue back at her own house where she felt it was wrong, regretting everything. Which, by the way, is what Sophia always does. Makes it even less believable. That's part of what I explained.

Disagree, but we are all entitled to an opinion.

 

[palmtrees89]

Disagree, but we are all entitled to an opinion.

I mean sure, we can agree to disagree. Thing is, what I said is literally in the scene's dialogue. Sophia herself is saying these things. Her thoughts, her intents. There wasn't the slightest hint of a horny woman. Not sure how you can disagree with something that's written by the developer himself unless you interpret the scenes by your own liking, ignoring previous story and dialogue. Remember that Sophia was angry at Sam after the Jacuzzi event for what he did?

Anyway, like you said we have different opinions and that's totally fine.

 

[kimber700]

I mean sure, we can agree to disagree. Thing is, what I said is literally in the scene's dialogue. Sophia herself is saying these things. Her thoughts, her intents. There wasn't the slightest hint of a horny woman. Not sure how you can disagree with something that's written by the developer himself unless you interpret the scenes by your own liking, ignoring previous story and dialogue. Remember that Sophia was angry at Sam after the Jacuzzi event for what he did?

Anyway, like you said we have different opinions and that's totally fine.

The different opinions are absolutely healthy in the discussion I think. Sophia's brain says STOP but her body says YES that is her dilemma. I think AWAM fans like it. We don't want to see just spread legs and fuck.

 

[jamdan]

Sophia got hot and bothered when she decided to be Sam's secret girlfriend. But she didn't intend to do anything when she first went over, even though all of us knew something would.

This is a consistent thing throughout the game. She gets talked into doing things (in this case, be a secret GF) and tries to rationalize it (in this case, just innocent fun). Then she has a back-and-forth inner monologue but in the end she does it anyways. Almost every event that turns sexual is this way. LP, if nothing else, is consistent in how Sophia ends up doing stuff even if it doesn't make a lot of sense sometimes.

How Dylan gets caught up to Sam, I don't know. Every event in part 2 has been sexual and the game is leaning into more porn logic, so it's possible. But however it happens, it'll probably follow the same pattern detailed above.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Sophia got hot and bothered when she decided to be Sam's secret girlfriend. But she didn't intend to do anything when she first went over, even though all of us knew something would.

This is a consistent thing throughout the game. She gets talked into doing things (in this case, be a secret GF) and tries to rationalize it (in this case, just innocent fun). Then she has a back-and-forth inner monologue but in the end she does it anyways. Almost every event that turns sexual is this way. LP, if nothing else, is consistent in how Sophia ends up doing stuff even if it doesn't make a lot of sense sometimes.

How Dylan gets caught up to Sam, I don't know. Every event in part 2 has been sexual and the game is leaning into more porn logic, so it's possible. But however it happens, it'll probably follow the same pattern detailed above.

Does make me curious what will happen when it stops being "innocent fun". While this most recent event definitely falls within Patricia's rule of "no dick in pussy", like others have already said it definitely is cheating.

It would probably take some smoothing over by either Carl or Patricia if Liam were to ever find out.

 

[ashitanojoe]

How proud your parents must be. I got the update I wanted, and the autists are moving in, so this is where I bid this thread farewell. Take care, all.

No need to be that extremist just because one person reported you. I have been reported constantly and getting a lot of my comments deleted, even banned weeks from the thread, just for posting inoffensive memes. You put a huge signature, but you were not aware of how that works, it's not your fault. You can still put the same images in a gif, just take into account that it must be a format of 300x125 px or 450x125 px.

There's still another very active thread of AWAM, with less or none moderation . https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-offtopic-discussion.111628

 

[Sadowdark]

That dialogue from that party was so stupidly written for idiots. "Sophia I have a husband and I love him -Sam, you will be my secret girlfriend. Sophia doesn't wonder what that means, yes, I'll stay. where is the logic here?

 

[Vigeous]

I really don't understand some of you, before this scene some people were complaining that there was no sex scenes and when this event happens they lash out and say it's unrealistic, even though it's considered just as a foreplay. Imagine Sophia who was always hot for rock band boys, meeting Sam a young handsome boy who is nice and artistic in every aspect art,music and has the knowledge that even she doesn't have about it. Sophia is attracted by all those things + her sex life with Liam isn't fun anymore or even non existent at the moment. How can she refuse Sam he's certainly her soulmate. If you're bothered by how fast this route goes, you might never enjoy the next scenes LP has planned in the future.

 

[Alley_Cat]

I really don't understand some of you, before this scene some people were complaining that there was no sex scenes and when this event happens they lash out and say it's unrealistic, even though it's considered just as a foreplay. Imagine Sophia who was always hot for rock band boys, meeting Sam a young handsome boy who is nice and artistic in every aspect art,music and has the knowledge that even she doesn't have about it. Sophia is attracted by all those things + her sex life with Liam isn't fun anymore or even non existent at the moment. How can she refuse Sam he's certainly her soulmate. If you're bothered by how fast this route goes, you might never enjoy the next scenes LP has planned in the future.

The Sam route may also appear fast in that there aren't the same number of events as there are for the Dylan and Ellie routes. In the Ellie route Sophia told Jules that them kissing was a once-off and can't happen again. But there's another Ellie event with Sophia coming up on PD14 (and another small one) where Ellie can push Sophia into possibly trying it again. Especially with the "intimate shaving" lesson coming up, possibly with an accompanying discussion about oral.

But Ellie has about twice as many events as Sam, so can afford to take it slow.

 

[dkatryl]

I really don't understand some of you, before this scene some people were complaining that there was no sex scenes and when this event happens they lash out and say it's unrealistic, even though it's considered just as a foreplay. Imagine Sophia who was always hot for rock band boys, meeting Sam a young handsome boy who is nice and artistic in every aspect art,music and has the knowledge that even she doesn't have about it. Sophia is attracted by all those things + her sex life with Liam isn't fun anymore or even non existent at the moment. How can she refuse Sam he's certainly her soulmate. If you're bothered by how fast this route goes, you might never enjoy the next scenes LP has planned in the future.

On my daily commute drive home, the entire way until I reach my neighborhood is a single lane road with a 45mph speed limit. Yet, every day, there's some doofus that can't do better than 30-35mph. Without fail.

The very rare times that I don't find myself with anyone in front of me, at least for certain stretches, and I can do the actual speed limit, I feel like I'm just flying, simply because I'm so used to going so damn slow.

So, perhaps it's a bit of this. Game's been dragging on for a looooong time, super duper slow burn, and then when it finally looks like something might happen, to some it feels like suddenly it's moving to fast.

 

[Vigeous]

The Sam route may also appear fast in that there aren't the same number of events as there are for the Dylan and Ellie routes. In the Ellie route Sophia told Jules that them kissing was a once-off and can't happen again. But there's another Ellie event with Sophia coming up on PD14 (and another small one) where Ellie can push Sophia into possibly trying it again. Especially with the "intimate shaving" lesson coming up, possibly with an accompanying discussion about oral.

But Ellie has about twice as many events as Sam, so can afford to take it slow.

Yes, that's a way to see things but it's not always about the number of scenes. Sometimes it's about the quality of the time the two share with each other and in all honesty Sam has made the biggest progress in making Sophia happy, she feels free around him because the two share the same hobbies.

 

[armion82]

The Sam route may also appear fast in that there aren't the same number of events as there are for the Dylan and Ellie routes. In the Ellie route Sophia told Jules that them kissing was a once-off and can't happen again. But there's another Ellie event with Sophia coming up on PD14 (and another small one) where Ellie can push Sophia into possibly trying it again. Especially with the "intimate shaving" lesson coming up, possibly with an accompanying discussion about oral.

But Ellie has about twice as many events as Sam, so can afford to take it slow.

Didn't Sam have more events with Sophia than Ellie?Something like 15?
Of coures a lot of them(around half) are with Dylan too.

 

[Vigeous]

On my daily commute drive home, the entire way until I reach my neighborhood is a single lane road with a 45mph speed limit. Yet, every day, there's some doofus that can't do better than 30-35mph. Without fail.

The very rare times that I don't find myself with anyone in front of me, at least for certain stretches, and I can so the actual speed limit, I feel like I'm just flying, simply because I'm so used to going so damn slow.

So, perhaps it's a bit of this. Game's been dragging on for a looooong time, super duper slow burn, and then when it finally looks like something might happen, to some it feels like suddenly it's moving to fast.

That's a good example man, and yes it might be that way but if they expect the game to always be that way that's on them.It's just frustrating to see when people months back were complaining about the pace and now say it's too fast. Even in tv shows, the pace is sometimes slow but suddenly something out of nowhere happens that changes the entire show

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Yes, that's a way to see things but it's not always about the number of scenes. Sometimes it's about the quality of the time the two share with each other and in all honesty Sam has made the biggest progress in making Sophia happy, she feels free around him because the two share the same hobbies.

It's funny you should say that because this event was supposed to be a small event/scene with one animation. He turned it into a large event and two animations to cover the details you described and added a cliffhanger at the end that will filter into update 6. So if he left it a small event, would Sam have made the leaps he made in this event/scene, and would it have been less convincing?

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

That's a good example man, and yes it might be that way but if they expect the game to always be that way that's on them.It's just frustrating to see when people months back were complaining about the pace and now say it's too fast. Even in tv shows, the pace is sometimes slow but suddenly something out of nowhere happens that changes the entire show

Did you read his outline of how the story should be told as he explained it? He uses realistic and time-lapse words to jump ahead in time to feel like more time has passed to give it a sense of realism. That's what people are referencing when they say things like the scene jump too quickly.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Didn't Sam have more events with Sophia than Ellie?Something like 15?
Of coures a lot of them(around half) are with Dylan too.

By my count, of 105 events until the end of PD15: Dylan 42, Ellie 23, Sam 12 and Patricia 10

 

[FullyAnimated]

The Sophia progression with Sam is the most grounded in the game. Sophia was obviously smitten with Sam. He made her feel young again and gave the attention she desperately needed.

As to her thoughts and dialogues being at odds with her actions - that's all mind vs heart. One can say they shouldn't do something but if they subconsciously crave or NEED it, they will go against their rational thoughts. I thought the images in the update showed Sophia's conflicted body language quite beautifully. She's smiling, posing, asking Sam to sit by her, touching him, putting her hand on his shoulder, etc. Her words are saying one thing but her actions are saying the opposite.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

By my count, of 105 events until the end of PD15: Dylan 42, Ellie 23, Sam 12 and Patricia 10

Alley_Cat, if those are the number of events, did you break them out (Where the text reflects another conversation?) For example, Dylan has 42 events scenes; how many are with Sophia, Ellie, Amber, Marie, and Emma only? The same with Ellie; how many of those seen are only with Sophia, Dylan, Julia, Logan, and Sam?

Because Dylan has scenes that are not focused on Sophia only, the same with Ellie, the context could be shifted to someone else, but Sophia maybe in the scene.

 

[Vigeous]

It's funny you should say that because this event was supposed to be a small event/scene with one animation. He turned it into a large event and two animations to cover the details you described and added a cliffhanger at the end that will filter into update 6. So if he left it a small event, would Sam have made the leaps he made in this event/scene, and would it have been less convincing?

Well yes and no that depends on what he was initially planning, but even if he was aiming for a small even it would have reached the same outcome. Seeing as how Sophia feels about Sam can tell you that she likes him to the extent of her craving for Sam and cheating on her husband

Did you read his outline of how the story should be told as he explained it? He uses realistic and time-lapse words to jump ahead in time to feel like more time has passed to give it a sense of realism. That's what people are referencing when they say things like the scene jump too quickly.

It felt pretty realistic to me, and that's coming from someone who never got mad at how the pace is slow or anything. I enjoy a game where the story can be thrilling with powerful emotion events. What I'm trying to say is that Sam is the Number 1 candidate to Sophia's heart and knowing that he had so many events with her the buildup seemed realistic to me my friend. But as they say you can't please everyone can you.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Alley_Cat, if those are the number of events, did you break them out (Where the text reflects another conversation?) For example, Dylan has 42 events scenes; how many are with Sophia, Ellie, Amber, Marie, and Emma only? The same with Ellie; how many of those seen are only with Sophia, Dylan, Julia, Logan, and Sam?

Because Dylan has scenes that are not focused on Sophia only, the same with Ellie, the context could be shifted to someone else, but Sophia maybe in the scene.

For those 42 events, they're the scenes with Dylan - no distinction has been made between whether Sophia plays a role or not, so it does include the bonus storyline, Emma, and the latest event with Amber where Sophia hasn't been directly involved.

As for Ellie, I haven't included her in the bonus storyline tally, or her appearance after Sam's concert mainly because I haven't seen those events having any significance on her route. Yet.

As I've stated before, this is all in my spreadsheet, so is a living document I change as I get information. When the next event in the bonus storyline comes out, we might finally see what all the secret squirrel is about, and I'll change my tallies as appropriate.

And of course, if someone doesn't like how I do things, they're more than welcome to create their own tally.