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Hlextor

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When L&P said, "So it will be released in August at the latest," it was no longer an estimate. The words he used, "will be," turn it into a guarantee, which means he was telling people it was coming out between the 1st and 31st of August. If people are saying that his writing reflects an estimate, that reveals that people struggle to understand the English language.

However, if you're telling me that he deliberately wrote that in his Discord to his "high tier" or other members to annoy them or people, as you're putting it. It makes me wonder why people are still supporting him. And by your explanation of saying he did it to annoy people, did you not confirm that you knew it was a lie, and you actually did see the connection to my post after you said you didn't?

So, I admit... That's unbeatable...
There was also mention of around 450 renders for part 2. You know that L&P is very bad at estimating the final number of renders.
When he's in the flow, he adds one or more scenes here and there. The fact that he divided it into five parts, makes it clear to those who know him that it will never stay at 450 renders and the announced release date.
 

Dr.SigmundFap

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There was also mention of around 450 renders for part 2. You know that L&P is very bad at estimating the final number of renders.
When he's in the flow, he adds one or more scenes here and there. The fact that he divided it into five parts, makes it clear to those who know him that it will never stay at 450 renders and the announced release date.
Unfortunately, that is his issue and not his members. If he knows his count is always going to be x amount of CS/Renders, then he needs to stop giving numbers out to members/people because now it represents an expectation. The expectations he initially sets cause issues with his members because they believe this is the final count, with some variances, but not 2, 3, 4, or 5 times the size of the initial count, which are some of the complaints I've seen through screenshots. This was something I told him he needed to stop doing, but he continues to do it because he tells people what they want to hear.
 

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Of course, the subs ask how many renders there will be and when he thinks he'll be done with the update. To keep everyone happy, he throws out a number and a date. It's always been that way. Remember especially the Sophia/Sam events!
He's not doing it on purpose!
People should stop believing that a number or a date is set in stone. The update will be ready when it's ready.
 

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Never mind 26th of August is when art creation has reached 100%, which means translation and programming took 25 days so far. 2 more days and we are in behind the schedule territory.
Would be interesting to see the trend throughout the releases as this part is independent of "art quality" and should solely revolve around the amount of work required - ergo it should be fairly consistent in relation to how big the update is.
 

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Of course, the subs ask how many renders there will be and when he thinks he'll be done with the update. To keep everyone happy, he throws out a number and a date. It's always been that way. Remember especially the Sophia/Sam events!
He's not doing it on purpose!
People should stop believing that a number or a date is set in stone. The update will be ready when it's ready.
It doesn't matter what people believe or don't believe about him; it's about what he said. That's what people are questioning and judging, but based on your comment, you're trying to absolve him of any responsibility for the words he shares, whether actual or not, and put it on the members, which is perplexing in so many ways.
 

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Of course, the subs ask how many renders there will be and when he thinks he'll be done with the update. To keep everyone happy, he throws out a number and a date. It's always been that way. Remember especially the Sophia/Sam events!
He's not doing it on purpose!
People should stop believing that a number or a date is set in stone. The update will be ready when it's ready.
Don't forget this is like his 10 prediction of how many renders the update will be.
The original idea was around 300 renders and realease in April,May in worst case scenario.
 

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To keep everyone happy, he throws out a number and a date.
He's not doing it on purpose!
Do I have to explain why that doesn't make sense? If he's deliberately throwing release-dates around just to keep his supporters happy, then that IS on purpose. You literally described the purpose in that post.

Also; Delaying a release by a week or two, hell even three weeks, that shit can happen. L&P isn't a robot. Giving out release dates as early as July and then delaying it until possibly October while continuously giving out release-dates in between is just terrible practice. You can't justify that by saying "That's just how he's doing it. He's just like that.".

This has been brought up on Discord aswell. For people who pay $60 bucks a month based on his statements over a release only for them to be let down and having to pay another month...and another, that's garbage at best. L&P knows better than this. He's not new to the Patreon/SS game.

You'd think a developer using crowd-funding for 8+ years would have the integrity to treat his supporters properly.
 

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It doesn't matter what people believe or don't believe about him; it's about what he said. That's what people are questioning and judging, but based on your comment, you're trying to absolve him of any responsibility for the words he shares, whether actual or not, and put it on the members, which is perplexing in so many ways.
Well, I know but it’s fine for me! Then waste your precious time calling him a milker and a liar! As if there were nothing more important in life than AWAM. Insane!
 
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Do I have to explain why that doesn't make sense? If he's deliberately throwing release-dates around just to keep his supporters happy, then that IS on purpose. You literally described the purpose in that post.

Also; Delaying a release by a week or two, hell even three weeks, that shit can happen. L&P isn't a robot. Giving out release dates as early as July and then delaying it until possibly October while continuously giving out release-dates in between is just terrible practice. You can't justify that by saying "That's just how he's doing it. He's just like that.".

This has been brought up on Discord aswell. For people who pay $60 bucks a month based on his statements over a release only for them to be let down and having to pay another month...and another, that's garbage at best. L&P knows better than this. He's not new to the Patreon/SS game.

You'd think a developer using crowd-funding for 8+ years would have the integrity to treat his supporters properly.
I don’t get it. No one is forced paying him $30 up to $60+ bucks monthly. It’s your decision! If you don’t care about money? So what?
 
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I don’t get it. No one is forced paying him $30 up to $60+ bucks monthly. It’s your decision! If you don’t care about money? So what?
The "no one is forced" argument would work if it wasn't for L&P giving out release date after release date without delivering. It's like you entirely ignore the fact that the developer should be able to follow-up on his statements because people are paying for it. You can't just roll it off on people saying it's their decision. L&P's statements influence these decisions just for people to get nothing in return unless they pay again...and again, until eventually they get what they were told they'd get months ago.

You can't seriously sit there acting like nothing's wrong with that.
 
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Do I have to explain why that doesn't make sense? If he's deliberately throwing release-dates around just to keep his supporters happy, then that IS on purpose. You literally described the purpose in that post.

Also; Delaying a release by a week or two, hell even three weeks, that shit can happen. L&P isn't a robot. Giving out release dates as early as July and then delaying it until possibly October while continuously giving out release-dates in between is just terrible practice. You can't justify that by saying "That's just how he's doing it. He's just like that.".

This has been brought up on Discord aswell. For people who pay $60 bucks a month based on his statements over a release only for them to be let down and having to pay another month...and another, that's garbage at best. L&P knows better than this. He's not new to the Patreon/SS game.

You'd think a developer using crowd-funding for 8+ years would have the integrity to treat his supporters properly.
I think L&P is a bit lazy and keeps putting off the work they need to do. I even think they're out partying at nightclubs or just sleeping all the time, buying large burgers and XL colas from McDonald's, and constantly binge-watching shows on Netflix. I also think that as the release date approaches, they'll make an announcement saying something like, "I've got a pimple on my butt that I can't sit on, so I can't render. Therefore, I regret to inform you that the game's new update will be delayed by another 1-2 years."
 

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Do I have to explain why that doesn't make sense? If he's deliberately throwing release-dates around just to keep his supporters happy, then that IS on purpose. You literally described the purpose in that post.

Also; Delaying a release by a week or two, hell even three weeks, that shit can happen. L&P isn't a robot. Giving out release dates as early as July and then delaying it until possibly October while continuously giving out release-dates in between is just terrible practice. You can't justify that by saying "That's just how he's doing it. He's just like that.".

This has been brought up on Discord aswell. For people who pay $60 bucks a month based on his statements over a release only for them to be let down and having to pay another month...and another, that's garbage at best. L&P knows better than this. He's not new to the Patreon/SS game.

You'd think a developer using crowd-funding for 8+ years would have the integrity to treat his supporters properly.
All the thoughts I read on this subject here are systematically based on rationality... and then there's reality...
 
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Dr.SigmundFap

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All the thoughts I read on this subject here are systematically based on rationality... and then there's reality...
Including the Patreon loss? :unsure:
Rationality = Reading the rules to understand what may get you kicked from their platform.

Reality = Not reading and understanding the rules of Patreon, which results in getting kicked from their platform.

Perhaps if L&P had applied rationality in reviewing Patreon platform rules, they would not have encountered the reality of being kicked from Patreon. Do you see how one influences the other?
 

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I could be missing something... but the arguments, and disgruntled comments that are coming from people who are on a pirate site, where they pay nothing, get the updates for free, don't support the Dev, but want their voices heard about how long the updates take... Could be me... or does that just sound completely F'ed up... Never mind the crap about hero's, rat's and all the stuff in-between.. the update will be out, when its out.. so sit back, shut up and be patient... Or.. support the Dev.. and have whinge over at SS because your useless whining here isn't event been read read by who you are directing it too... Do you all who are singing to the choir over how long things take really think your comments make a difference?
 

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Rationality = Reading the rules to understand what may get you kicked from their platform.

Reality = Not reading and understanding the rules of Patreon, which results in getting kicked from their platform.

Perhaps if L&P had applied rationality in reviewing Patreon platform rules, they would not have encountered the reality of being kicked from Patreon. Do you see how one influences the other?
Man, that's exactly what I wrote.
 
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