VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [P2 v0.225 + P1 v0.152] [Lust & Passion]

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[john_jones21]

And I'll repeat it one more time. Why should L&P hire someone for something he obviously enjoys and means a lot. Just so we can get fap material faster? He seems to be getting along well with what money he's been making so far.

He probably shouldn't have said he was going to and then asked for money in order to achieve it then. There's a trust relationship between creator and patron and that relationship gets strained when the creator consistently fails to live upto promises or do the things they said they would.

Most likely the coding/testing/dialogue writing could be easily farmed out which would knock weeks off the time between releases and let L&P focus on rendering which appears to be the part he really loves the most.

 

[ancienregimele]

Hiring someone for a job is rocket science. Anyone who has ever had job interviews knows that! And the smaller a company is, the more fatal wrong decisions are.
And I'll repeat it one more time. Why should L&P hire someone for something he obviously enjoys and means a lot. Just so we can get fap material faster? He seems to be getting along well with what money he's been making so far.

He should hire someone because that's what he said he would do. If he doesn't want to do it, that's fine, it's his choice but he should make that clear & get rid of the hiring goal. If he decided not to recruit, we'd all just have to accept it. We'd get used to the idea, rapidly. You may have attended many difficult interviews, (as I have). I failed to be recruited far more times than I was successful. That's normal, unless you're in some old boy/girl network, where fierce competition doesn't exist. Applying for 100 jobs & getting one interview is a success in a buyer's market &/or a recession. Believe me it's a buyer's market out there. That doesn't make it rocket science. If it was I could not have made a living for the best part of 20 years, interviewing, testing & recruiting people. I must have been OK at it because some of them went on to lead their organisations.

Small companies can hire consultants to assist with recruitment but the cost can be prohibitive. One person concerns may have no choice but to recruit solo, which is why I am offering to help.

It may surprise you to learn, that I don't use AWAM for fap material, so that's not why I'm offering. If L&P doesn't want to pursue it, that's OK as well.

 

[ancienregimele]

You are absolutely right, this is not rocket science.
Unfortunately, when it comes to creative work, and this is our case, recruiting staff is a more difficult task. For rocket science you need a technician, engineer or someone else, and his moral and ethical qualities are of little importance.
In the case of the development of this game, L&P must trust the partner, delegate to him not only certain work, but also reveal creative ideas.
I suppose he has practically no leverage if his new employee discloses any details to the public ahead of time.
Understand that such an action is a very strong blow for a creative person, especially the one that L&P has shown itself to be.
It is impossible to insure against betrayal; it takes a long enough time to work together to earn trust. Exactly the time that we are so lacking!

I'm not trying to defend L&P, don't get me wrong.
I just understand him very well.
On the pages of fan art, I published my fan story about Sophia. This is just a little fan story, but you can't imagine how upset I was when the artist who drew for my story 3D renderings, without asking my permission, published them.
I have also been looking for a 3D artist to work together for over a year now, which is 1000 times easier than what L&P does, and so far all attempts to work together have been unsuccessful.

In addition, I am a manager of several business projects, I have to work with different people, different professions and qualifications.
Therefore, my experience allows me to understand L&P fairly objectively.

I hear what you're saying & can empathise with L&P up to a point. I've worked on a couple of solo projects where I wouldn't have dreamed of involving anyone else. It's still the case that there are successful teams working on games as we speak, so it can be done. I think that the goal of recruiting someone should be dropped, if this is not really what the Dev wants.

 

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[Bane71]

I hear what you're saying & can empathise with L&P up to a point. I've worked on a couple of solo projects where I wouldn't have dreamed of involving anyone else. It's still the case that there are successful teams working on games as we speak, so it can be done. I think that the goal of recruiting someone should be dropped, if this is not really what the Dev wants.

The fact is that he needs help and wants to find help, but it is difficult.
This is what I was trying to clarify with my long post.

 

[ancienregimele]

In my opinion, it's a little too procedural.
An ad to announce tests. It's obvious that the candidate will be tested.

I'm more into the idea, show me what you can do right away, we'll save time.

I have already made recruitments like this.
Here is the problem (with or without constraints) , how do you solve it ?

The recruiters look at the originality, the cost of the solution, the time you put in, the quality of the work provided.

Immediately they have an idea of the candidate's level. After only come questions about the personality during an exchange if the first step is successful.

Procedural, I have to admit, is what I know best, having worked for several bureaucratic organisations that were bound by a myriad of legal, moral & societal obligations, while trying to find the best available person for the job. Showing the Dev what level you're at could act as an early selection device but would need a carefully worded advert IMO, to avoid a deluge. There's only one person who could ultimately provide the correct specification....

 

[Luzifer22]

is it actually normal that some parts of the game are missing in the compressed version?

 

[Atton563]

I would enjoy Dylan and Ellie, I actully would like Dylan and Auntie Patricia . Never had the idea of those two until that yoga event.

I think Patrica could go one of two ways she's either bored and wants to tease her whole family for shit's and giggles or she really is intrested in some kind of sexual encounter with Sofia/Ellie/Dylan or the very least pushing boundries with them all. The second is most likely since we already know she's been very sexual active in her life and has almost certainly thought about more extreme/taboo things to keep her sex life intresting.

Well, a little thickly applied. I'm not that in love with Dylan. Well, I favor him, yes. But I play all the paths so far. What I don't play or what I cancel is Cuckold with Dylan (NTR is out of the question for me), Bennet and I think also Aiden. I'm not sure about Sam!
I feel Sam is extremely doubtful as Dylan's friend. He's lusting after his mom, saying that he thinks she's really fucking awesome and his look says that he wants to fuck her. It's obvious that Dylan resists this.
And then he pretends to be innocent with Sophia. It feels so calculating to me. Not a good character for me, right? But I'm not calling him a piece of shit or anything like that. I know there are a lot of Sam fans here. And accept them. That's the difference. It's always the same guys here who denigrate Dylan. And that's annoying. That's all it is. You can also criticize diplomatically without being abusive.

I feel Cuckold with Dylan while likely would be a bad choice I mean it's stated at the start of the game the Sofia loves her kids above all else and would do anything for them and her cucking her son in favour of his best friends (useing the term loosely here) is not something I could see her doing to him, Although she already showed Sam most of her nipples without any encouragement (not in my main play save cause Sam's a snake) and thats kinda fucked up considering Dylan had to beg like a dog and promise to do the dishes for a year aswell as find a job to see her breasts but Sofia has said Sam is like a son to her aswell.

I too feel exactly the way you do about this. I don't like Dylan but still favour him but for Sam my thoughts are exactly like yours. Infact I have mentioned it before as well. Sam really is playing it cunningly. He wants to do everything that Dylan wants to, only difference is he doesn't openly say it to Sophia and is trying to get emotionally closer to her.

I see Sam as the more calculating and mature version of Dylan (to an extent) and have no doubt he was up in that tree house to perv on Sofia and not doing his homework at all, He also takes every chance he can to break down her walls and get closer to her like saying how he can't stop thinking about when he saw her in her lingerie and bra, he also gave her a alcholic drink when she asked for water to try and loosen her up (little Neil in the making?), I've also heard he describes a sex dream to her? I'm not sure about that as I've tryed to avoid Sam content since I don't like him and nothing brought a smile to my face like how Sofia said no when Sam tried to invite him self around when he was in the tree house. I think if Dylan had maybe moaned "Mom" or said something along the lines of "God you're so hot" when he came while she was letting him masturbate after the Ellie prank it could of made her a little wet or at least made her think about Dylan by mistake while she tries to masturbate in the shower and helped him be a little further ahead of Sam in the seduction/corruption of Sofia (yes I'm a Dylan fan sue me).

 

[Beowulf72]

Well, a little thickly applied. I'm not that in love with Dylan. Well, I favor him, yes. But I play all the paths so far. What I don't play or what I cancel is Cuckold with Dylan (NTR is out of the question for me), Bennet and I think also Aiden. I'm not sure about Sam!
I feel Sam is extremely doubtful as Dylan's friend. He's lusting after his mom, saying that he thinks she's really fucking awesome and his look says that he wants to fuck her. It's obvious that Dylan resists this.
And then he pretends to be innocent with Sophia. It feels so calculating to me. Not a good character for me, right? But I'm not calling him a piece of shit or anything like that. I know there are a lot of Sam fans here. And accept them. That's the difference. It's always the same guys here who denigrate Dylan. And that's annoying. That's all it is. You can also criticize diplomatically without being abusive.

I see Sam the same way you do he is a real Scheisskerl ,the Bennet and Aiden story I also see very mixed because I don't see Sophia as a character who lets herself be blackmailed by any Penner

 

[Hlextor]

Scheisskerl

Yes, but please remember and accept that some find him a smart guy.

 

[Beowulf72]

Yes, but please remember and accept that some find him a smart guy.

yes, i didn't say that either, but let's be honest, we would have punched him hard in his face earlier. ( ihm die Qualle aus dem Drömel gehauen)

 

[Catherine1972]

I don't understand the last line. Could you explain

I mean falling in love with another man is not L & P's design.
And that is not a condition for fucking either.
Sophia strikes me as more of a woman who needs to be attracted and to feel desirable.

 

[Atton563]

Yes, but please remember and accept that some find him a smart guy.

Oh he is a very smart guy just not a nice as he lets people think he is. I remember he couldn't go to the beach with Dylan because he wanted to go practice with his band but he went to Patricia's house with him and left his mom alone with nobody to take her to the theater since Neil wanted to watch the game with Liam (granted he might not have known about it), I bet he would drop everything to take Sofia to get her car's tire pressure checked.

 

[Catherine1972]

On the contrary, I think that it is very childish to have perverse ideas. It's when you grow up that you realize that you can't do it all or have it all.

Sophia regresses, becomes young adult then a teenager again, she will become perverse as she was before ( but she couldn't express it )

I think it is this behavior that amplifies the perverse attitude of youngs towards her. Now she will be able to express it, and it doesn't matter if it is filial love and love, she will do filfthy things ( at least on a path).

There are also the money issues. One of the best ways to get someone into debauchery.

And maybe Sophia just had such a monotonous life that she wants to do something else, that turns her on. All pretexts will be good, the sexual education of her son/daughter, the repayment of the debts, ... maybe one day she will try to get Liam promoted or avoid dismissal by sleeping with his boss. who knows ?

Totally agree.
Thank you for completing my thought well.
Perverse ideas are characteristic of adult adolescents (adulescents)

 

[xxxorro]

On the contrary, I think that it is very childish to have perverse ideas. It's when you grow up that you realize that you can't do it all or have it all.

Sophia regresses, becomes young adult then a teenager again, she will become perverse as she was before ( but she couldn't express it )

I think it is this behavior that amplifies the perverse attitude of youngs towards her. Now she will be able to express it, and it doesn't matter if it is filial love and love, she will do filfthy things ( at least on a path).

There are also the money issues. One of the best ways to get someone into debauchery.

And maybe Sophia just had such a monotonous life that she wants to do something else, that turns her on. All pretexts will be good, the sexual education of her son/daughter, the repayment of the debts, ... maybe one day she will try to get Liam promoted or avoid dismissal by sleeping with his boss. who knows ?

I think we should start from the root cause of all of this, Liam's lack of attention for Sophia, sexually but not only that.
That is what generates this sense of insatisfaction in Sophia, which leads to this "teenager regression" that she is experiencing (which, btw it is a well known real issue in married people in real life, aka the middle life crisis, at around 40-50 yo)
The regression makes Sophia more curious and open to the attention of other people of both genders, especially teenagers, as it also brings her back to her teenager years, where we know she was far from being the shy or prudish woman she is now (personal opinion: only on the facade, that is just the image of herself that she wants to convey, the "role model" mother and wife).

This is, at least for me, the fil rouge of the whole story, everything that happens stems from this. If we consider the arcs with the teenager characters (Dylan, Sam Ellie etc), I don't think that love, as in falling in love, will be the center of any of these arcs. (Catherine1972 I don't know if you meant something like this)

Does Sophia love Dylan? Yes, as a mother loves his son and she will do anything for him. Will she fall in love with him and have sex with him? I really don't think so. She will (very) probably have sex with him, but it won't be because she has fallen for him. It will be a mixture of passion, lust, the thrill for the taboo, and sure the mother-son love. I don't know how we will get there, the context will make the whole different and I think L&P knows how to get us there. As we are now in the story and their relationship, for me it's really hard to imagine a way they are going to have sex. But there are too many things that are still bound to happen and maybe the Dylan/Sophia event will be the first step to set up the next stage of their relationship. For sure it won't be Sophia to take the initiative. With any of the young characters. She will let herself to be dragged into it, in every story in a different way and with different motivations.

For example, I think with Sam it will be more the passion that will move her to break the barrier. As pointed out, there is a connection on many levels with him. He already declared his love for her, she knows he desires her. I think it's only natural that as soon Sam will make some moves Sophia will go with them (again, incrementally etc etc) but I don't think she will fall in love with with, she will be attracted, excited of having an affair with someone who cherish her, that's what will make her give in (Btw, I'm not in any team, but I do think like Atton563 that Sam is or could be the double face one, he plays the sweet guy but he is the same as Dylan if not worse, remember their first talk about Sophia...)

 

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[Sabertooth__]

I think Patrica could go one of two ways she's either bored and wants to tease her whole family for shit's and giggles or she really is intrested in some kind of sexual encounter with Sofia/Ellie/Dylan or the very least pushing boundries with them all. The second is most likely since we already know she's been very sexual active in her life and has almost certainly thought about more extreme/taboo things to keep her sex life intresting.



I feel Cuckold with Dylan while likely would be a bad choice I mean it's stated at the start of the game the Sofia loves her kids above all else and would do anything for them and her cucking her son in favour of his best friends (useing the term loosely here) is not something I could see her doing to him, Although she already showed Sam most of her nipples without any encouragement (not in my main play save cause Sam's a snake) and thats kinda fucked up considering Dylan had to beg like a dog and promise to do the dishes for a year aswell as find a job to see her breasts but Sofia has said Sam is like a son to her aswell.



I see Sam as the more calculating and mature version of Dylan (to an extent) and have no doubt he was up in that tree house to perv on Sofia and not doing his homework at all, He also takes every chance he can to break down her walls and get closer to her like saying how he can't stop thinking about when he saw her in her lingerie and bra, he also gave her a alcholic drink when she asked for water to try and loosen her up (little Neil in the making?), I've also heard he describes a sex dream to her? I'm not sure about that as I've tryed to avoid Sam content since I don't like him and nothing brought a smile to my face like how Sofia said no when Sam tried to invite him self around when he was in the tree house. I think if Dylan had maybe moaned "Mom" or said something along the lines of "God you're so hot" when he came while she was letting him masturbate after the Ellie prank it could of made her a little wet or at least made her think about Dylan by mistake while she tries to masturbate in the shower and helped him be a little further ahead of Sam in the seduction/corruption of Sofia (yes I'm a Dylan fan sue me).

As you mentioned the instances of Sam's debauchery, it only acts as proof to what I was saying. As of this moment other than Liam I would only be okay with Dylan having sex with Sophia. For me an honest pervert is way better than a calculating one