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VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [P2 v0.225 + P1 v0.152] [Lust & Passion]

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MoyaPsy

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GingerSweetGirl said:
[...] Would it really have been so bad to do something like:
  • Sophia graduated with a Masters degree at the age of 23
  • Sophia conducted biological research and published her work at the age of 25
  • By the time she was 26 she was an adjunct professor at a local community college, and was working on her next research paper
  • Sophia and Liam were married when she turned 27 after she unexpectedly became pregnant with Ellie.
  • Sophia became pregnant with Dylan when she was 29 and she left her job to be a stay-at-home mom.
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Really love your enthusiasm considering this is just a game. Guess we all fell deeply in love with it and therefore our minds wrap around it a lot. It certainly is the case with me. Maybe that's why I both cannot stand these horrible discussions - about age, the speed of his creative process or what should be inside of the game or what should not -and also cannot stay away from this thread too.

Bottom line: You should be a writer. Write a story for me for a beautiful virtual novel. I drop you some $$$. ;)

Moya
 
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You gotta be kidding me, I wrote a whole long response and the damn website broke when I submitted it. All that work lost. What a piece of shit website.

Suffice to say, no I'm not wrong about statistics from 20 years ago. Educational attainment's impact on fertility rates has been long studied and understood. Twenty years ago isn't that long ago for statistics, you wouldn't expect to see a radical difference in something like the median age of a woman's first birth. MAYBE in 2000 the median age for a woman with a graduate degree would be 28 instead of 30, but that's about it. I had all the statistics pulled up, but I'm not going to rewrite my original long message. But these trends are seen in every country and culture, it's the number 1 most telling factor when predicting a woman's fertility rate.

The point I was trying to make in my lost post is that this is something I'm sure L&P was aware of. It would have cost him nothing to simply make Sophia a couple years older and it would have resolved some internal inconsistencies. It's very frustrating for me that he couldn't accept that a 45 year old woman could be sexually desirable, so instead he asks us to do mental gymnastics to accept her age.
 
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You gotta be kidding me, I wrote a whole long response and the damn website broke when I submitted it. All that work lost. What a piece of shit website.

Suffice to say, no I'm not wrong about statistics from 20 years ago. Educational attainment's impact on fertility rates has been long studied and understood. Twenty years ago isn't that long ago for statistics, you wouldn't expect to see a radical difference in something like the median age of a woman's first birth. MAYBE in 2000 the median age for a woman with a graduate degree would be 28 instead of 30, but that's about it. I had all the statistics pulled up, but I'm not going to rewrite my original long message. But these trends are seen in every country and culture, it's the number 1 most telling factor when predicting a woman's fertility rate.

The point I was trying to make in my lost post is that this is something I'm sure L&P was aware of. It would have cost him nothing to simply make Sophia a couple years older and it would have resolved some internal inconsistencies. It's very frustrating for me that he couldn't accept that a 45 year old woman could be sexually desirable, so instead he asks us to do mental gymnastics to accept her age.
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Do you think the actual model of Sophia is believable for 45yo? Or it sould be aged a bit if she was 45 instead of 38?
 
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When I hear about the age of character, I remind

In 1941, Renato was 13 years old and although the world was at war, nothing ever happened in this sleepy village in Sicily. Until the day he discovered something that would change his life forever... Malna, the beautiful young war widow who was the obsession of every man and the envy of every woman. Because of her, Renato will come to learn all of life's lessons and find himself in places he never could have imagined.

That is, in movies, even many people don't worry about age, and there are sex scenes between the characters, why the fuck should he even worry about the age of the characters in a fucking porn game?


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It is Patreons terms of service. Those are based on the rules of the services they use to be paid. So it all comes down to their business model. Is that easy enough to understand?
 
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GingerSweetGirl said:
nexer

You gotta be kidding me, I wrote a whole long response and the damn website broke when I submitted it. All that work lost. What a piece of shit website.

Suffice to say, no I'm not wrong about statistics from 20 years ago. Educational attainment's impact on fertility rates has been long studied and understood. Twenty years ago isn't that long ago for statistics, you wouldn't expect to see a radical difference in something like the median age of a woman's first birth. MAYBE in 2000 the median age for a woman with a graduate degree would be 28 instead of 30, but that's about it. I had all the statistics pulled up, but I'm not going to rewrite my original long message. But these trends are seen in every country and culture, it's the number 1 most telling factor when predicting a woman's fertility rate.

The point I was trying to make in my lost post is that this is something I'm sure L&P was aware of. It would have cost him nothing to simply make Sophia a couple years older and it would have resolved some internal inconsistencies. It's very frustrating for me that he couldn't accept that a 45 year old woman could be sexually desirable, so instead he asks us to do mental gymnastics to accept her age.
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Raquel Welch, Ann Margaret at 80!
 
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GingerSweetGirl said:
nexer

You gotta be kidding me, I wrote a whole long response and the damn website broke when I submitted it. All that work lost. What a piece of shit website.

Suffice to say, no I'm not wrong about statistics from 20 years ago. Educational attainment's impact on fertility rates has been long studied and understood. Twenty years ago isn't that long ago for statistics, you wouldn't expect to see a radical difference in something like the median age of a woman's first birth. MAYBE in 2000 the median age for a woman with a graduate degree would be 28 instead of 30, but that's about it. I had all the statistics pulled up, but I'm not going to rewrite my original long message. But these trends are seen in every country and culture, it's the number 1 most telling factor when predicting a woman's fertility rate.

The point I was trying to make in my lost post is that this is something I'm sure L&P was aware of. It would have cost him nothing to simply make Sophia a couple years older and it would have resolved some internal inconsistencies. It's very frustrating for me that he couldn't accept that a 45 year old woman could be sexually desirable, so instead he asks us to do mental gymnastics to accept her age.
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You've experienced "instant karma" firsthand :p :ROFLMAO:.
You did something bad, ... , you cursed me :confused:, ... something you did :ROFLMAO:.

You may be right, but we should also see a comparison between deep America and the rest of the states.
But, we do have a but, Sophia had and has a high sex drive, "numbed" by motherly feeling and lack of temptations. She's a special case, after all.
 
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dolfe67 said:
Do you think the actual model of Sophia is believable for 45yo? Or it sould be aged a bit if she was 45 instead of 38?
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She looks 40ish for me, between 40 and 45, she looks young, no wrinkles but as something in her expression Lust/Tired/im to old for this shit look.

Love it
 
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dolfe67 said:
Do you think the actual model of Sophia is believable for 45yo? Or it sould be aged a bit if she was 45 instead of 38?
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I'm no expert, but having discussed exactly this with an experienced dev (not L&P), apparently it's not straightforward ageing faces (eg. subtle age lines, crows feet eyes) in this media, at least achieving it effectively. Some attempts I've seen have been disastrous, usually turning otherwise normal characters into frightening, withered prunes.
A pity because if done carefully, and combined with make-up, it can greatly increase the allure of a woman a certain age.
 
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dolfe67 said:
Do you think the actual model of Sophia is believable for 45yo? Or it sould be aged a bit if she was 45 instead of 38?
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I've thought about this and I'm totally fine with the model as is. Maybe it would have been nice to have a couple more lines to age her a little; but Daz is difficult and I can roll with the fantasy. I mean, it's like how Lexi Belle (yes guys, I've watched porn too) spent like five years of her career playing 18 year old school girls, just roll with it. But Sophia's age creates all sort of inconsistencies that my OCD brain can't accept.

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This isn't to contradict anything you have said. Though there are one or two things I am not really agreeing with. I will only like to mention a stat. Once again, I have no intention of contradicting what you have said.

I looked up the average age of women having first time pregnancies in the US and this is what I found

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And this is posted around 2020. We are talking 23 years back in 1997. Even today the lower range is 21 so maybe it isn't all that far fetched. Maybe this is wrong. I don't know. Haven't done extensive research on matter just touched the surface.
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That isn't specifically addressing educational attainment. Here's a nice article from the NYT that discusses the gap in births and educational attainment.

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But the important tidbit for our discussion is that the average age of a first time mom with a college degree or higher is 30.3 years.

The driving force behind the overall increase from 21 to 26 is that the percentage of women pursuing higher education has exploded since the 70s. An emerging demographic trend is how lopsided college enrollment and graduation rates are towards women. More women are applying for college than men, and more of those women are finishing their degrees than their male counterparts. This goes hand in hand with women waiting longer, and having fewer children, as their educational attainment increases.

In 1980, 13.6% of American women had a bachelor's or higher. In 2000, it had increased to 23.6%, and in 2020 it was 38.3%. Since 2014, women with a bachelor's or higher have equaled or exceeded men. This increase in educational attainment is causational to the corresponding increase of a women's first birth that you noted.

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Again, we're waaaaayyyyyy into the weeds on this one and I apologize to everyone that comes here looking for "Is moving!". The point simply is that, even in 2000, Sophia would have been a statistical anomaly. That doesn't make it impossible, just highly improbable.
 
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