VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[Bibifoc]

This is Ren'Py we are talking about. If you are so great at programming, you would know that it isn't the same checking a tiny Ren'py update compared to an actual game with actual gameplay
Ren'py is after all (among other things) famous for people without ANY programming experience being able to simply start to create a visual novel.
Yes, AWAM is a complicated VN, for the many routes that need to be factored in, but the dev keeps it completely manageable by the tiny incremental updates. He basically adds one or two scenes on a specific route per update, that doesn't take so long to check.

And please don't trot out that stupid, inane line of "make your own game, instead of complaining," it just makes everything seem so ridiculous whenever people bring that up.
You don't need to make your own thing, to criticize a thing, by that logic no one could criticize anything he hasn't done before, it's moronic, it's like the absolute straw man argumentation, since there is literally NO connection to the matter at hand, it's just a stupid standard defence whenever criticism comes up that a person doesn't like.
I don't have a problem with the dev, I don't pay him and there are many other games to play, so I just wait until I get content in my route, even though it takes eons, but there are totally valid criticisms for the way he works and the amount of work he does in such a lengthy amount of time, so just grow up, please. You can like something and still accept that there is a problem with it.

Despite the harsh tone, I agree with him. He didn't say "make your own game, instead of complaining", he said "make your own game and see how much time it really takes".

That's exactly what I said before the update. It's totally normal to think it shouldn't take much time. Like you said, Renpy is very accessible. But in reality, everything always takes a lot of time when you crawl through the code. And it seems you can only really feel it by experiencing it.

For the sake of science, I measured the time I spent on this update. It took me around 7 hours, and some time more after the release. And during this time, I didn't even have time to carefully read the dialogs... It takes time.

But maybe I'm the slowest guy in the world, and maybe those "couple hours" guys should apply to L&P

 

[Humbold56]

I feel like i say this every single release, i love the slow burn, i despise the release schedule. You cannot have one fucking scene done every four months (at the same pace it was before when the dev claimed it would be faster).

Agree, slow burn is rather beneficial in my opinion. But those short updates should come at least every 2month.

 

[Andyboi]

What will be nxt update? Can't wait for the next dylan event...

 

[PaxHadrian17]

AWAM v 0.190:

I thought it was a very good update:

Pro's:

Renders were well done, especially the jacuzzi scene with the water effects.

The script was consistent with a Sophia who was trying to justify intimate time with Dylan while doubting herself - along with the 'alcohol made it ok.'

There was unexpected adult honesty where Sophia confided in Dylan that she and Liam were rarely intimate and that he is not making the effort to remind her that she is important to him - This was one of the breakthroughs in intimacy between Sophia and Dylan.

This was the first time that Sophia took the initiative in physical intimacy - she gave Dylan a hj. (Yes - part of her reasoning was to prevent him from giving her an orgasm so that she could hide how sexual this had become for her, but Sophia was an active participant in her first sexual act not involving Liam).

The fact that Sophia told Dylan that he is bigger than his father will, hopefully, be used by L&P in future introspection when Sophia is thinking about her 'date' with Dylan.

Cons:

AWAM is no longer an immersive story - it is now, at best, a series of high-quality vignettes taken from the life of Sophia Parker and her family.

The back-to-back Sophia/Sam then Sophia/Dylan intimacy becomes less special since Sophia's actions make it seem like neither guy is truly special, and she just enjoys the attention of different males since Liam can't be bothered.

The slow development makes some story arcs feel dated and distant - like the Sophia/Ellie story arc (which will not see a planned update for several more years RL).

Finally - a quality update like this, and one of only 3 released this year, reminds me of both the early promise that AWAM held and how unlikely I am to ever see a completed AWAM.

 

[Andyboi]

Next series of events will be? Whats next?

 

[TomUK]

Next series of events will be? Whats next?

Christine's Party I'm guessing or nothing if Dylan misses the party to take mommy on a date.

 

[Galaktur]

There are two games: "Wife and Mother" and "Miriam". Frankly speaking, these games are absolutely identical in their structure, but they have gone in two radically different ways. Wife and mother is a more elaborate story without sex, well, almost. As a porn game, it is COMPLETELY a failure, and without it it is better to go play other games. The very highlight of the games with the corruption of the character is lost - what is interesting about turning a pervert into a whore or a whore into a pervert? Just don't say that Sofia is not like that)))) She's a complete whore from the very beginning of the game. 2 games - A smooth game with 100 years of waiting or a quick whore-sim. 2 stories - 2 whores. BUT, Miriam's story is a porn game. Sofia's story is about milking suckers. Sofia is a complete whore here, worse than those who in other games give everyone in 10 minutes. It is the sponsors of the suckers who are to blame for the fact that the game is not progressing.

 

[tofhdns]

I'm going to disagree with you on that.

I am enjoying almost all the routes and, for those who are not here for Sophia incest with Dylan, the Dylan/Marie Dylan/Ellie and/or Dylan/Christine encounters are of interest.

The issue for the last few years has come down to slow development time.

If L&P gave us two PD's/year, we would still not reach PD 30 complete before the RL year 2030, but everyone could see content they were looking forward to 'coming soon'.

The slow development time (which does not even include the time L&P will take working on a Steam release or other activities that further slow the development of AWAM) means we are not looking at PD 30 complete until some year > 2050.

Cheers!

Blue is the latest voting result and red is the cumulative voting result.

Emma, Christine, Marie, Claire and Cathy didn't get a single vote in the latest poll.

For reference, Emma held a vote on whether or not to proceed with the event, and the event was deleted according to the voting result.

Will Christine be any different?

 

[Alley_Cat]

What will be nxt update? Can't wait for the next dylan event...

Next series of events will be? Whats next?

It's the bonus storyline, so Dylan at Christine's party.

 

[botc76]

Despite the harsh tone, I agree with him. He didn't say "make your own game, instead of complaining", he said "make your own game and see how much time it really takes".

That's exactly what I said before the update. It's totally normal to think it shouldn't take much time. Like you said, Renpy is very accessible. But in reality, everything always takes a lot of time when you crawl through the code. And it seems you can only really feel it by experiencing it.

For the sake of science, I measured the time I spent on this update. It took me around 7 hours, and some time more after the release. And during this time, I didn't even have time to carefully read the dialogs... It takes time.

But maybe I'm the slowest guy in the world, and maybe those "couple hours" guys should apply to L&P

I mean, 7 hours are a couple of hours, wouldn't you say? At least compared to whole days.
And if I read the current argument correctly, it was something like they had 20% progress a day during the check for the release. Which certainly sounds like more than 7 hours.

The thing is, if you like the game, that's great. I do too (not all routes mind you, anything apart from the strictly lesbian stuff isn't my cup with a female MC), otherwise I wouldn't play it. And there are definitely people overdoing it with the criticism and the personal attacks, but OTOH so many people just have the gut reaction to aggressively defend stuff they like, which is something that I also find annoying, especially if I catch myself doing it (just a stupid human, making mistakes like everyone else here, but open about it).
Sometimes it feels so weird, because people don't seem to understand that there's a difference between criticizing someone, even harshly, and insulting and attacking someone, calling them liar and fraud and milker (if you make any of these claims, you should better be sure you have ground to stand on IMO) and putting pressure on them to make the game like you want them to.
I am fine with the former, even think it's important for a creator of any form to receive such criticism and accept it, but absolutely loathe the other.

 

[ihl86]

View attachment 2886899
Blue is the latest voting result and red is the cumulative voting result.

Emma, Christine, Marie, Claire and Cathy didn't get a single vote in the latest poll.

For reference, Emma held a vote on whether or not to proceed with the event, and the event was deleted according to the voting result.

Will Christine be any different?

That's a very interesting voting poll, do you have the one before this as well?
Curious how/what shifted in between votes (if anything).

It's also interesting to see that most of the people that give L&P money want to see Sofia with kids. At the top two being the incest and next 3 being the other important kid events in her life (with Aiden's one being the less kid-like because of the nature of their relationship).
I would be curious to see how a voting on this thread would go, from anybody/everybody that plays the game compared to who is still willing to pay for it.

 

[tofhdns]

That's a very interesting voting poll, do you have the one before this as well?
Curious how/what shifter in between votes (if anything).

It's also interesting to see that most of the people that give L&P money want to see Sofia with kids. At the top two being the incest and next 3 being the other important kid events in her life (with Aiden's one being the less kid-like because of the nature of their relationship).
I would be curious to see how a voting on this thread would go, from anybody/everybody that plays the game compared to who is still willing to pay for it.

Blue is the most recent vote and red is the previous vote.

The period is after every update, and the most recent voting result is version 0.185.

In addition, the size of the graph has been modified to make comparison easier.

3rd amendment.
This is the most error-free graph I can think of.

 

[Bibifoc]

I mean, 7 hours are a couple of hours, wouldn't you say? At least compared to whole days.
And if I read the current argument correctly, it was something like they had 20% progress a day during the check for the release. Which certainly sounds like more than 7 hours.

It was only "my" time. There is L&P's too.
And it wasn't 20% a day. There were 35% on friday and the rest on saturday.

 

[ihl86]

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Blue is the most recent vote and red is the previous vote.

The period is after every update, and the most recent voting result is version 0.185.

In addition, the size of the graph has been modified to make comparison easier.
(No numerical change)

Wow quite some big changes. Ellie got almost double the votes but it makes sense since it's been longer and longer without content for her.
However, the subway thugs got a very big increase in percentage, while carl got a lot of vote out of nowhere/nothing before.
Amber (have to admit, not sure who Amber is. Sam's mom?) and Alyssa decreased a lot in percentage as well, compared to the last one.
And Aiden and Ava's children are extremely constant which in my eyes means they kind of have their own supporters that want that content and don't care so much about the rest.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

View attachment 2886899
Blue is the latest voting result and red is the cumulative voting result.

Emma, Christine, Marie, Claire and Cathy didn't get a single vote in the latest poll.

For reference, Emma held a vote on whether or not to proceed with the event, and the event was deleted according to the voting result.

Will Christine be any different?

It is a colorful chart, but the lack of detail makes it, at best, an incomplete & qualitative picture.

To go with your point - Emma's cumulative number wasn't good enough for her event to stay, so let's follow that logic and drop any events involving the following because they have cumulative numbers near or below Emma's (since this is all about helping L&P to 'cut the fat and speed up development'). This does not just include the 5 women at the end of the poll, it includes:

Carl
Logan
Vicky
movers
Liam

It's nothing that affects the story, right?

I understand the frustration with the slow development but cutting content is very often a recommendation of those who don't care about that content and those who do can just deal with it...

How many people wanted the Bennet story line of blackmail to continue?

How many people wanted to see a lesbian story line with Sophia and Emma?

The college guys are not mentioned in the above poll at all - yet we are still taking time for a one-off event with them... Why?

so - back to my original points:

I'm going to disagree with you on that.

I am enjoying almost all the routes and, for those who are not here for Sophia incest with Dylan, the Dylan/Marie Dylan/Ellie and/or Dylan/Christine encounters are of interest.

Cheers!

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

The "warning" isn't required anymore to get the 2 final Dylan scenes.

I honestly don't understand why L&P made Dylan put his boxers back in the tub; all the subsequent scenes could still take place with Dylan without his boxer shorts, on the contrary, Sophia's thoughts could be more amplified by the sensation of his cock on her skin.

 

[ihl86]

It is a colorful chart, but the lack of detail makes it, at best, an incomplete & qualitative picture.

To go with your point - Emma's cumulative number wasn't good enough for her event to stay, so let's follow that logic and drop any events involving the following because they have cumulative numbers near or below Emma's (since this is all about helping L&P to 'cut the fat and speed up development'). This does not just include the 5 women at the end of the poll, it includes:

Carl
Logan
Vicky
movers
Liam

It's nothing that affects the story, right?

I understand the frustration with the slow development but cutting content is very often a recommendation of those who don't care about that content and those who do can just deal with it...

How many people wanted the Bennet story line of blackmail to continue?

How many people wanted to see a lesbian story line with Sophia and Emma?

The college guys are not mentioned in the above poll at all - yet we are still taking time for a one-off event with them... Why?

so - back to my original points:

I'm going to disagree with you on that.

I am enjoying almost all the routes and, for those who are not here for Sophia incest with Dylan, the Dylan/Marie Dylan/Ellie and/or Dylan/Christine encounters are of interest.

Cheers!

I think the point was to at least cut the storylines that are not with Sofia but with Dylan and the side chicks.
And the voting shows that those routes have decreasing interest.
They are not important to the story because this is or at least should be Sofia's story and what Dylan does with the girls is not important to see. Stuff can still happen, if L&P considers Dylan getting some experience with others girls influences his relationship with Sofia but why do we have to see it? 5-10 renders at most to show some stuff happened and he got experience is more than enough, and let the focus be on Sofia.

 

[hzjujk]

It is a colorful chart, but the lack of detail makes it, at best, an incomplete & qualitative picture.

To go with your point - Emma's cumulative number wasn't good enough for her event to stay, so let's follow that logic and drop any events involving the following because they have cumulative numbers near or below Emma's (since this is all about helping L&P to 'cut the fat and speed up development'). This does not just include the 5 women at the end of the poll, it includes:

Carl
Logan
Vicky
movers
Liam

It's nothing that affects the story, right?

I understand the frustration with the slow development but cutting content is very often a recommendation of those who don't care about that content and those who do can just deal with it...

How many people wanted the Bennet story line of blackmail to continue?

How many people wanted to see a lesbian story line with Sophia and Emma?

The college guys are not mentioned in the above poll at all - yet we are still taking time for a one-off event with them... Why?

so - back to my original points:

I'm going to disagree with you on that.

I am enjoying almost all the routes and, for those who are not here for Sophia incest with Dylan, the Dylan/Marie Dylan/Ellie and/or Dylan/Christine encounters are of interest.

Cheers!

I agree with you on almost every point!
Except for the story with Emma. Seeing Emma being aggressively seduced and then fucked by Sophia while Dylan was playing on the computer upstairs in his room had a certain appeal to me. And this although I play the Dylan route and don't particularly like his cuck route.
But I'm in a magnanimous mood and forgoing the Emma route so that other players who don't have as wide a portfolio of interests can have some of the game in the future.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

I think the point was to at least cut the storylines that are not with Sofia but with Dylan and the side chicks.
And the voting shows that those routes have decreasing interest.
They are not important to the story because this is or at least should be Sofia's story and what Dylan does with the girls is not important to see. Stuff can still happen, if L&P considers Dylan getting some experience with others girls influences his relationship with Sofia but why do we have to see it? 5-10 renders at most to show some stuff happened and he got experience is more than enough, and let the focus be on Sofia.

The poll was for popularity, not popularity with specific people or specific fetishes.

AWAM Has changed and L&P has made Dylan a more central character.

If you send Dylan to boarding school, then - given what you just said - Dylan effectively goes away.

You can use 5-10 renders to show him at home or having a meal on a weekend and then he is gone for another week.

Does the poll say that is what everyone wants? No

We have the side stories of Ellie with Logan - so those are okay?

Given what you said above, you are singling out Dylan and cutting major content from his story even though the poll shows that cumulatively he is the most popular character in the poll.

It's easy for us to rewrite AWAM as Each of us wants to see it - our own unique vision - but that will never happen with L&P.

As I said in the post you quoted:

I understand the frustration with the slow development but cutting content is very often a recommendation of those who don't care about that content and those who do can just deal with it...

Cheers!

 

[sssaam.cindy.2019]

Come on guys, let him freaking finish this and put it on Steam... we're


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