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PedroDeLara

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This V0.190 update has broken expectations for a large part and perhaps the developer knows this. The game takes almost 6 years and has a lot of history, I still followed the last two updates and I'm part of those who don't have a bag, I'm looking for other games. Excellent image and character quality, story progress very slow due to the update interval. I believe he has a lot more ready and is in reserve, droplet strategy and reaping the maximum fruit, in this niche the guy doesn't care about reputation, even the worse, the better.
Steam has become just a fetish for yet another platform to raise money, a herd effect from these developers. They are also amateurs considering that when launching a game they can openly ask X number of investors not to abandon the project, they are doing media and passing saucers as a beggar, shame.
I put my opinion and visit here to have fun with the despair of digital addicts, be careful you need treatment, this kills.
 

botc76

The Crawling Chaos, Bringer of Strange Joy
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I agree, I don't think JOHN is anything like AWAM, the main problem being is that Jessica isn't a mother, the only thing they have in common is that they are both female protagonist, that isn't to say that JOHN isn't a good game as well.
I'd say there is a lot more to it. Both games are basically about a woman going from a pure one-romantic-partner life-style to a more liberal sexual behaviour, both offer corruption(in the sense of unwilling through blackmail and similar means or chosen by the MC), sexual liberation (swinging, sex with more than one partner, orgies), pure lesbian etc.. routes. Both offer a wide array of possible partners, both have very high standards in regard to the visuals, both have a very complicated set-up where lots of choices need to be considered, to determine how a specific day in the game plays out.
And in the negative, both also have rather small updates, with a long-development time in between.
 

DarthSpitz717

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It's hard to have a compelling blackmail route. In any type of game. I haven't seen a realistic one. Most of the ones in porn movies are also unrealistic. You have to have some sort of suspension of disbelief to make it work. With that in mind, I would say that Aiden's path is on the better side of blackmail stuff.
It is clear that his end game is fucking Sofia, maybe even sharing her with his gang, like he did with Jennifer and Andre. But jumping straight to that kind of request would easily be denied. This is why I find the Bennet route the weakest. His blackmail is so thin, there's no way Sofia would fuck him.
Coming back to Aiden's route. Even his 4th tasks would have been refused by Sofia if it was his first request. And things are escalating. This would be similar in mentality with the sunken cost fallacy. The more you invest in something, the less you are likely to give it up. What you invest can be anything, time, money, whatever, the psychology behind it is the same.
I mean if she had the options, fuck Aiden or send Dylan to school, she would definitely not have chosen the first one. But dress sexier doesn't sound like that much. And the "cost" of keeping Dylan safe is increasing bit by bit. That's why he keeps giving her his tasks as late as possible. First part of the task, second part. To be just one more small step to complete it. The more she invests in this route, to keep Dylan safe, the harder it is to say no to the next small step.
Now I don't know if L&P thought of all that when he implemented it into the game, it is also kind of unrealistic for a kid like Aiden to be able to think of this strategy on his own and on the fly. But if you can get over that part, I think his path is not so crazy compared to the most of other ones (like Ellie, Dylan, Sam, teaching sex ed to the kids..., Bennet).

What do you think?
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It's hard to have a compelling blackmail route. In any type of game. I haven't seen a realistic one. Most of the ones in porn movies are also unrealistic. You have to have some sort of suspension of disbelief to make it work. With that in mind, I would say that Aiden's path is on the better side of blackmail stuff.
It is clear that his end game is fucking Sofia, maybe even sharing her with his gang, like he did with Jennifer and Andre. But jumping straight to that kind of request would easily be denied. True...can't argue that. Sophia would turn him down. However, this is Sophia. Her character wasn't as well developed in the beginning. Had she been more interested in getting attention, liking the praise of others, and generally more interested in sex, like looking at other men and finding them attractive but not willing to act on the attraction to build up her character profile it would be easier for half the things she finds herself in. Sophia to be able to cross that line with Dylan, he is going to have to see him more of a male then her son. The attention she gets from the other "boys," like Sam is plausible by itself.

With Aiden, it would be a slow burn, like with everything else in the story. Sophia would have to be built up to eventually give herself to Aiden. But the tasks she has to do isn't going to work.


This is why I find the Bennet route the weakest. His blackmail is so thin, there's no way Sofia would fuck him.
Agreed with Bennet, though he does have his use. Dylann could see Bennet hitting on his mother and flip a Cheeto and curb stomp him. Win more points with Sophia, see Dylann more a man than her son, and give us the players a nice scene.

Coming back to Aiden's route. Even his 4th tasks would have been refused by Sofia if it was his first request. And things are escalating. This would be similar in mentality with the sunken cost fallacy. The more you invest in something, the less you are likely to give it up. What you invest can be anything, time, money, whatever, the psychology behind it is the same.
I mean if she had the options, fuck Aiden or send Dylan to school, she would definitely not have chosen the first one. But dress sexier doesn't sound like that much. And the "cost" of keeping Dylan safe is increasing bit by bit. That's why he keeps giving her his tasks as late as possible. First part of the task, second part. To be just one more small step to complete it. The more she invests in this route, to keep Dylan safe, the harder it is to say no to the next small step.
Now I don't know if L&P thought of all that when he implemented it into the game, it is also kind of unrealistic for a kid like Aiden to be able to think of this strategy on his own and on the fly. But if you can get over that part, I think his path is not so crazy compared to the most of other ones (like Ellie, Dylan, Sam, teaching sex ed to the kids..., Bennet). Actually at that age I was a clever kid. Aiden is the leader of a gang. So he has to have a higher IQ to manipulate his underlings. But the tasks themselves are rather unsatisfying. A huge win for Aiden would be to have slow but building corruption of Sophia. Sociopaths though lacking moral control over themselves usually have an inner sense of to manipulate others. From the lesser tasks, it would easily appear the affect they are having on Sophia and exploit it more and more. All the while Sophia would slowly become more and more turned on.

The way Sam, or Dylann are likely going to get Sophia is when they dominate her in a way that turns her on. Dominate is a bit too strong a word, but more like take charge.


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It's hard to have a compelling blackmail route. In any type of game. I haven't seen a realistic one. Most of the ones in porn movies are also unrealistic. You have to have some sort of suspension of disbelief to make it work. With that in mind, I would say that Aiden's path is on the better side of blackmail stuff.
It is clear that his end game is fucking Sofia, maybe even sharing her with his gang, like he did with Jennifer and Andre. But jumping straight to that kind of request would easily be denied. True...can't argue that. Sophia would turn him down. However, this is Sophia. Her character wasn't as well developed in the beginning. Had she been more interested in getting attention, liking the praise of others, and generally more interested in sex, like looking at other men and finding them attractive but not willing to act on the attraction to build up her character profile it would be easier for half the things she finds herself in. Sophia to be able to cross that line with Dylan, he is going to have to see him more of a male then her son. The attention she gets from the other "boys," like Sam is plausible by itself.

With Aiden, it would be a slow burn, like with everything else in the story. Sophia would have to be built up to eventually give herself to Aiden. But the tasks she has to do isn't going to work.


This is why I find the Bennet route the weakest. His blackmail is so thin, there's no way Sofia would fuck him.
Agreed with Bennet, though he does have his use. Dylann could see Bennet hitting on his mother and flip a Cheeto and curb stomp him. Win more points with Sophia, see Dylann more a man than her son, and give us the players a nice scene.

Coming back to Aiden's route. Even his 4th tasks would have been refused by Sofia if it was his first request. And things are escalating. This would be similar in mentality with the sunken cost fallacy. The more you invest in something, the less you are likely to give it up. What you invest can be anything, time, money, whatever, the psychology behind it is the same.
I mean if she had the options, fuck Aiden or send Dylan to school, she would definitely not have chosen the first one. But dress sexier doesn't sound like that much. And the "cost" of keeping Dylan safe is increasing bit by bit. That's why he keeps giving her his tasks as late as possible. First part of the task, second part. To be just one more small step to complete it. The more she invests in this route, to keep Dylan safe, the harder it is to say no to the next small step.
Now I don't know if L&P thought of all that when he implemented it into the game, it is also kind of unrealistic for a kid like Aiden to be able to think of this strategy on his own and on the fly. But if you can get over that part, I think his path is not so crazy compared to the most of other ones (like Ellie, Dylan, Sam, teaching sex ed to the kids..., Bennet). Actually at that age I was a clever kid. Aiden is the leader of a gang. So he has to have a higher IQ to manipulate his underlings. But the tasks themselves are rather unsatisfying. A huge win for Aiden would be to have slow but building corruption of Sophia. Sociopaths though lacking moral control over themselves usually have an inner sense of to manipulate others. From the lesser tasks, it would easily appear the affect they are having on Sophia and exploit it more and more. All the while Sophia would slowly become more and more turned on.

The way Sam, or Dylann are likely going to get Sophia is when they dominate her in a way that turns her on. Dominate is a bit too strong a word, but more like take charge.


What do you think?
Why don't you use the "Quote/Multi-quote"..?
It kinda gets confusing trying to read your posts.. :confused::confused:
 

botc76

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L&P is getting old and old, and lose his creativity/productivity!!!
Honestly. I am not trying or willing to defend the guy, but I believe it would be easy to lose your drive and creativity after so many years working on a project, with this snail pace and with a very vocal group of people constantly complaining (not without reason, mind you, I am not talking about whether the complaints are valid or not, some are, some aren't, this is just about how it would influence someone).
I mean, they had to have realized by now that no matter what, this will still take several years to complete, and sure the money is nice, but in a way that just makes it harder to get the creativity rolling, because why should you, if more than 2,5k people pay you each month, no matter how long the updates take and how small they are. Basically, the only motivation has to come from themselves, their will to create something, their will to treat their supporters fairly etc..
 

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A Wife and Mother - Combined Edition v0.190

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His first lesson in self-defence was on PD11, so two days ago. As far as I'm aware, he's only had the one lesson.

What gets me is that Aiden is meant to be this nigh omniscient gang-lord that will beat Dylan up no matter where he is in the city. That's the entire point of doing the tasks and the self-defence lessons, or sending Dylan out of town. Yet Dylan has been out and about at least twice now, and not a single sighting of Aiden or one of his cronies.

Aiden appears completely toothless and just talking shit.
There is already a gang leader in this city, his name is Don Morello :LUL:
 

WildBillKatt

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This V0.190 update has broken expectations for a large part and perhaps the developer knows this. The game takes almost 6 years and has a lot of history, I still followed the last two updates and I'm part of those who don't have a bag, I'm looking for other games. Excellent image and character quality, story progress very slow due to the update interval. I believe he has a lot more ready and is in reserve, droplet strategy and reaping the maximum fruit, in this niche the guy doesn't care about reputation, even the worse, the better.
Steam has become just a fetish for yet another platform to raise money, a herd effect from these developers. They are also amateurs considering that when launching a game they can openly ask X number of investors not to abandon the project, they are doing media and passing saucers as a beggar, shame.
I put my opinion and visit here to have fun with the despair of digital addicts, be careful you need treatment, this kills.
He's going to make a lot of money over it for a few more years, and this is the path in his best interests. He's no longer trusted by the majority of the audience, but they'll stick around til the end. It's a good, compelling game, but not 10 years good which is what begins to look like the total development time.

The game is now the brand. Had he moved faster and finished it in 2-4 years, he could have made himself the brand like Mr Dots, Lewdlab, Royalcandy and a couple others. They completed good games in a reasonable timeframe, put out good 0.1 of the next game, and people flocked in.
 

Kirill86

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His first lesson in self-defence was on PD11, so two days ago. As far as I'm aware, he's only had the one lesson.

What gets me is that Aiden is meant to be this nigh omniscient gang-lord that will beat Dylan up no matter where he is in the city. That's the entire point of doing the tasks and the self-defence lessons, or sending Dylan out of town. Yet Dylan has been out and about at least twice now, and not a single sighting of Aiden or one of his cronies.

Aiden appears completely toothless and just talking shit.
Maybe you forgot or didn't know, but all of Aiden's assignments are based on a plot twist where Dylan asked Aiden to make his mother dress sexier. What he confesses to her when she takes him to boarding school. This twist has been removed, but the idea of the script was originally just that. It's not in the script for Dylan to meet Aiden's guys in town.
 
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tofhdns

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He's going to make a lot of money over it for a few more years, and this is the path in his best interests. He's no longer trusted by the majority of the audience, but they'll stick around til the end. It's a good, compelling game, but not 10 years good which is what begins to look like the total development time.

The game is now the brand. Had he moved faster and finished it in 2-4 years, he could have made himself the brand like Mr Dots, Lewdlab, Royalcandy and a couple others. They completed good games in a reasonable timeframe, put out good 0.1 of the next game, and people flocked in.
In reality, based on in-game days, this game is still at the tail end of the 20th and this game is up to the 37th.

Because it takes two years to see one day.
It will take approximately 34 years from now to see the end.
 

TomUK

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Honestly. I am not trying or willing to defend the guy, but I believe it would be easy to lose your drive and creativity after so many years working on a project, with this snail pace and with a very vocal group of people constantly complaining (not without reason, mind you, I am not talking about whether the complaints are valid or not, some are, some aren't, this is just about how it would influence someone).
I mean, they had to have realized by now that no matter what, this will still take several years to complete, and sure the money is nice, but in a way that just makes it harder to get the creativity rolling, because why should you, if more than 2,5k people pay you each month, no matter how long the updates take and how small they are. Basically, the only motivation has to come from themselves, their will to create something, their will to treat their supporters fairly etc..
Well once it's finished, it can be polished up and he can probably sell it on Steam as a full game.
 
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Alley_Cat

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Ah yes, Aiden, and his 'powerful uncle' that was, what was it again? A lawyer, iirc?

Oh shit, let's turn a blind eye to the petty criminal in class, because just like no one else knows how to fight, apparently no one else knows another lawyer.

Silly porn logic, as always, but the uncle part in particular sounded like the big bad a child would come up with.
Playing the boarding school route, when Sophia mentions the lawyer uncle, Carl's reaction is pretty much just "Pfft, I know him, don't worry about it"

Carl probably has a few lawyers on retainer of Richard Murphy's calibre.
Maybe you forgot or didn't know, but all of Aiden's assignments are based on a plot twist where Dylan asked Aiden to make his mother dress sexier. What he confesses to her when she takes him to boarding school. This twist has been removed, but the idea of the script was originally just that. It's not in the script for Dylan to meet Aiden's guys in town.
But it should be in the script at some point, if Aiden's threat is to have any meaning. That it's not is essentially my point.
 
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This V0.190 update has broken expectations for a large part and perhaps the developer knows this. The game takes almost 6 years and has a lot of history, I still followed the last two updates and I'm part of those who don't have a bag, I'm looking for other games. Excellent image and character quality, story progress very slow due to the update interval. I believe he has a lot more ready and is in reserve, droplet strategy and reaping the maximum fruit, in this niche the guy doesn't care about reputation, even the worse, the better.
Steam has become just a fetish for yet another platform to raise money, a herd effect from these developers. They are also amateurs considering that when launching a game they can openly ask X number of investors not to abandon the project, they are doing media and passing saucers as a beggar, shame.
I put my opinion and visit here to have fun with the despair of digital addicts, be careful you need treatment, this kills.
I am sure the developer knows about the slow development, the questions are about his intentions, does he take steps to increase the development speed (hire some people, get better hardware to increase render speed etc.) or if he simply decides to continue like this and let AWAM be his job for the next decade (or 2 decades)

Seeing how ICSTOR still has 6K patrons, I have confidence that many if not most will continue to keep paying and "supporting" him.

I think the better route is make a small team, invest in some infra and work to make L&P a brand itself rather than just AWAM.

Seeing how Phillygames had been doing 50-80 renders (and some animations as well) every week, while having the similar number of patrons, its not wrong for paying patrons to expect more - a lot more.
 

TammyVeriyan

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I like the update. First time someone’s sperm touched Sophia’s body other than Liam. But i dont like the update cycle.. one scene for every six months? What if a update contains the scene of Fabric Inspection? Should we wait 6 months for such scene? Not worth the wait..

Atleast Lust for Patreon is making progress.. very slow.. but still going unlike some Stopped Art..
 
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