VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[GingerSweetGirl]

Do you mean Don Morello or his brother Larry?

If you mean the Don, then I would be all for that, although KillJoys has shared previously the post from L&P stating that it WON'T be an Indecent Proposal style-scenario. Which for me personally is a shame in that the Don was the first adult male potential LI that I was hoping would have sex with Sophia. He is cultured, sees Sophia's worth immediately and treats her like a lady. Yes I know it was subsequently revealed that he was not only married but seemingly happily so.

Larry was great for accelerating Sophia's corruption, by giving her someone not connected with her job or her social circle. Therefore she could flirt with him, have a steamy fantasy day dream about him, and flash him her boobs and also panties, so far without any adverse consequences (although the possibility of it having been recorded remains). But I don't want Larry to have sex with Sophia ahead of other :I's that we have spent a lot more time getting to know.

So I am curious how Liam's casino gambling debt will play out if it is NOT going to be Indecent Proposal style-scenario.

I put absolutely zero stock in L&P' statement that it isn't an Indecent Proposal scenario. Zero. I think L&P is either outright lying to avoid spoilers, or is splitting a hair.

 

[Talcum Powder]

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If he keeps the frequency of events same for Dylan and Ellie, he will eventually run out of things to do with Ellie or will have to take a few steps back.

I'm going to have to heartily disagree: It is absolutely impossible to run out of things to do with Ellie.

 

[Talcum Powder]

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I'll start working on the next update around Juliy 1st/2nd. In the meantime, let's do another favorite character poll and see if something has changed since last year.
And again: Sophia as the MC is excluded from the vote. The character directory can assist you here.
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1.591 voti in totale

If this is really one account-one vote then that's about 75% response rate, so I'll take back what I said about non-representative. With out appropriate weighting and with no control questions it's still a very poor metric for basing major decisions, that's not gonna change.

 

[ancienregimele]

4,951 was the number of fan art renders in my AWAM FanFiction folder. I built it up once I started playing c.3 years ago. I reckon it represented around 3/4 of the fan art produced but didn't include any incest. I collect various things but I'm not a completionist. I tried several times to upload it here for others to have but regretably it just wouldn't work. I deleted it & saved on memory. I know, I know, I said I wouldn't post as much but I've never been this fed up with AWAM & am serious about breaking the addiction. Now I really will post less.

 

[Talcum Powder]

I put absolutely zero stock in L&P' statement that it isn't an Indecent Proposal scenario. Zero. I think L&P is either outright lying to avoid spoilers, or is splitting a hair.

I don't think he's outright lying, but absolutely is splitting hairs. For example, Aiden is not using blackmail at all. He is using extortion - a threat of violence - so technically not blackmail. Bennett, as well, is using extortion - the threat of official misconduct - so again, technically not blackmail.

 

[hmc15]

Aiden currently has 141 votes! He has become the 3rd most important character in AWAM. I think it will have an impact on the upcoming tasks and story. L&P feels validated to possibly expand Aiden's blackmailing story.
For me actually very surprising! I'm more of a romantic and wouldn't want to humiliate women in real life nor in a porngame.
But good! We must accept the poll first of all so. But if AWAM really gets similar traits like Fashion Buisness or even Glamour, I'm also out.

Thank God many people dont see porn games like you...otherwise they would be as vanilla as real life.

Here's to hoping Aiden gets 90000000 votes

 

[farrah]

or just oafish buffoons

I think this is the right answer.

 

[Sabertooth__]

I agree - there is a fine line for me. I don't want to see Sophia forced and disliked that Aiden was so brutish at the end of what was previously an incredibly erotic scene. I want gentle coercion in that Sophia feels compelled to do it to protect Dylan.

I have said before I wanted that escalation of tasks so that each individual task is "only a little bit further than the last, so what's the harm", without Sophia realising the cumulative impact of how far she has gone.

I was expecting and even hoping for an acceleration in the pace of corruption as we move towards the half way point of the announced 30 Playable Days. But this was a BIG jump. I can live with it because of the supposed anonymity of Sophia wearing the mask, although I still think there are revelations to come about the art class.

But with Task Four being at school, I am nervous of how far it will go. I don't want a backward step but I don't want it pushed too extreme in front of her students. Its a fine line....

Exactly, that's how I wanted and imagined it to be. With L&P saying she need not even be incognito in front of her students anymore and if asked by Aiden can let Zac touch her breasts Infront of the class, that just ruins the story for me.

Is Sophia going to be that stupid. Risking her job, her reputation and creating good chances for her to be sent to prison for indecent behaviour by the school itself. If the urges are so strong a normal woman would rather go pick a man from the streets than risk her entire reputation and listen to a teenage boy and do things willingly for him. The only thing keeping this story acceptable was the blackmail aspect, other than that she does not need to listen a teens demands.

She has enough other people in life that can give the sexual excitement she desires. Doing it for a person that disgusts logically makes no sense as long as she is not coerced into it

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

I think part of the problem when we talk about what's realistic in a story is knowing how to interpret the game's world. Stories, whether they're fantasy or mystery, are at their best when they can maintain internal consistency. That's why Game of Thrones worked (for the first four seasons) because even though it had dragons, the rules of the world were consistent. You got stabbed? You died. You made mistakes in your political machinations? You lose.

The challenge for a lewd game like AWAM is establishing that internal consistency while affording enough flexibility for sexual fantasies. Most games are straight porn, and that's fun and exciting, so they have a different set of (no) rules. But games like AWAM are different, they want to create a world where there are rules and consequences......but where people can indulge in extreme sexual fantasies. In AWAM that includes potential incest and blackmail.

So when we talk about Aiden's tasks, and Sophia's stated intelligence, it can become difficult to understand how to reconcile the two. By the rules established in AWAM, it's difficult to imagine the next steps for Aiden's tasks without running afoul of the game's internal consistency. By the rules of lewd games, Aiden's tasks in the near future are going to require some sort of overt public display, something that can't be easily dismissed like tasks 1 and 2 in the classroom. But such a task would seemingly conflict with Sophia's intelligence and create a likelihood of consequences (such as being fired). But failing to push the tasks in this direction would feel unsatisfying and be a missed opportunity considering the time invested.

For me, I'm not sure where the internal consistency lies at this point. Between the Apostles and the potential of Sophia doing something in front of her class (such as allowing Zach to grope her) it feels like this game is sliding into porn territory. Part of what makes this game (potentially) great is the ability to indulge in fantasy that is just slightly over the line of believable, but works in the game's setting. But we may be slipping into Game of Thrones season 5+ where the spectacle is about to overtake the narrative's internal consistency in favor or wild scenes that don't make sense based on the rules as we know them.

 

[Lust&Pateron]

If this is really one account-one vote then that's about 75% response rate, so I'll take back what I said about non-representative. With out appropriate weighting and with no control questions it's still a very poor metric for basing major decisions, that's not gonna change.

No you can vote twice, or vote for as many people as you want in the same vote.

I voted for the gramps and aiden

 

[Sabertooth__]

I think part of the problem when we talk about what's realistic in a story is knowing how to interpret the game's world. Stories, whether they're fantasy or true crime, are at their best when they can maintain internal consistency. That's why Game of Thrones worked (for the first four seasons) because even though it had dragons, the rules of the world were consistent. You got stabbed? You died. You made mistakes in your political machinations? You lose.

The challenge for a lewd game like AWAM is establishing that internal consistency while affording enough flexibility for sexual fantasies. Most games are straight porn, and that's fun and exciting, so they have a different set of (no) rules. But games like AWAM are different, they want to create a world where there are rules and consequences......but where people can indulge in extreme sexual fantasies. In AWAM that includes potential incest and blackmail.

So when we talk about Aiden's tasks, and Sophia's stated intelligence, it can become difficult to understand how to reconcile the two. By the rules established in AWAM, it's difficult to imagine the next steps for Aiden's tasks without running afoul of the game's internal consistency. By the rules of lewd games, Aiden's tasks in the near future are going to require some sort of overt public display, something that can't be easily dismissed like tasks 1 and 2 in the classroom. But such a task would seemingly conflict with Sophia's intelligence and create a likelihood of consequences (such as being fired). But failing to push the tasks in this direction would feel unsatisfying and be a missed opportunity considering the time invested.

For me, I'm not sure where the internal consistency lies at this point. Between the Apostles and the potential of Sophia doing something in front of her class (such as allowing Zach to grope her) it feels like this game is sliding into porn territory. Part of what makes this game (potentially) great is the ability to indulge in fantasy that is just slightly over the line of believable, but works in the game's setting. But we may be slipping into Game of Thrones season 5+ where the spectacle is about to overtake the narrative's internal consistency in favor or wild scenes that don't make sense based on the rules as we know them.

You're right about the internal consistency and that's what has made this game different than the typical corruption games out there. And now that this consistency is under threat, it seems bad for the game.
I don't even understand L&P's decision to suddenly take jumps with the corruption, the gradual pace was fine. She would have reached this level easily by the end of day 14 and become corrupt enough to cheat by day 19. There is no need to shift gears. Even at this pace by day 30 she could be a completely fallen woman if that is what L&P is aiming at.

After playing the last update I felt that everyone of these storylines will lead to Sophia having sex. It was mentioned in the 1st side job, direct statements at intercourse between Sophia and the boys in the 2nd, Aiden's task going way extreme than expected. I have always thought of this game as one which wouldn't turn it's main character into a woman who fucks every character she comes across. But the way it is getting presented and with L&P's intentions it just looks like excatly that is going to happen.

I really wish he shows some restraint as well and does not set it as goal to top his previous scene every single time.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

You're right about the internal consistency and that's what has made this game different than the typical corruption games out there. And now that this consistency is under threat, it seems bad for the game.
I don't even understand L&P's decision to suddenly take jumps with the corruption, the gradual pace was fine. She would have reached this level easily by the end of day 14 and become corrupt enough to cheat by day 19. There is no need to shift gears. Even at this pace by day 30 she could be a completely fallen woman if that is what L&P is aiming at.

After playing the last update I felt that everyone of these storylines will lead to Sophia having sex. It was mentioned in the 1st side job, direct statements at intercourse between Sophia and the boys in the 2nd, Aiden's task going way extreme than expected. I have always thought of this game as one which wouldn't turn it's main character into a woman who fucks every character she comes across. But the way it is getting presented and with L&P's intentions it just looks like excatly that is going to happen.

I really wish he shows some restraint as well and does not set it as goal to top his previous scene every single time.

I'm not sure I agree with your statement that the "pace was fine." We're an in-game week away from Sophia having her first extramarital encounter, and yet when this day began all we could talk about was how far she had to go. Even knowing what we know now, all I can think is that in seven days Sophia has to make a lot of progress with someone in order to feel comfortable enough to cheat on Liam with them.

In my opinion we were badly in need of what Day 12 has given us. But there are problems. In my opinion, it does not break the game's internal consistency that Sophia could/may have sex on every route. But the devil is in the details. Are we breaking internal consistency if Sophia's corruption is advanced primarily via methods that would put her or her career in danger? Putting aside my deep problems with the scene with the Apostles, the entire premise is jarring and breaks the game's internal consistency for reasons that have been stated before. If the next task for Aiden has Sophia doing something in the classroom, especially if it includes another student, it will be twice that she puts her career on the line.

By the rules as we understand them, this should be a non-starter; or it must result in some sort of consequence. If L&P doesn't intend on us to think like that, if we're supposed to just go with the flow, then the rules have been miscommunicated. I recently played a game called The Interview. It's a fine little lewd game, but I noticed a ton of issues with consistency. For instance, while one character is getting seduced and fondled, her friend is nearby in the same room. But no reference is ever made of the friend and if she is aware of what's happening. So I contacted the dev and asked about these issues with consistency. He said "Oh, yeah thanks, but to be honest that was the furthest thing from our mind. We wanted to make a hot scene." And you know what? That's fine- if I'm not supposed to think about the game like that then ok, just let me know. If AWAM doesn't want me to consider the ramifications of Sophia behaving in a sexual way with her students, ok; but please communicate that I shouldn't care.

If, however, the rules have been properly communicated to us, then there needs to be consequences and her thought process needs to be communicated. It isn't impossible that someone may decide to do a 180 degree turn and throw away what they've worked for. If Sophia's corruption is so deeply rooted already that she would rather embrace it even at the cost of her previous values, then that can be successfully done- it just needs to be shown that she's making that decision. What we can't do indefinitely is this "Oh, I know I shouldn't do ______, but I'll only do it because _______ so it isn't really a big deal." Instead we need to see Sophia say something like "I want to do _____ and I know that could have consequences, but fuck it I don' care."

TLDR: I think the uptick in the pacing is fine, but we need to understand if the game wants us to critically think about Sophia's actions in relation to the rules or if we're just supposed to go with the flow.

 

[Bane71]

With L&P saying she need not even be incognito in front of her students anymore and if asked by Aiden can let Zac touch her breasts Infront of the class, that just ruins the story for me.

This L&P did not say, it was my guess about how the events of Aiden's fourth assignment might unfold.

 

[Sonny86]

Alyssa is tied to the Aiden route and maybe Zac as well, so dropping the Aiden route and you will lose Alyssa and maybe Zac too

I disagree with that! Zac and Alyssa were involved with sophia before Aiden and have been apart of soccer thread. Alyssa becoming close with Sophia after Aiden is inconsequential I feel that was gonna happen with or without aiden.

 

[Talcum Powder]

No you can vote twice, or vote for as many people as you want in the same vote.

I voted for the gramps and aiden

Thanks for that info.
Unfortunately it's an even worse measurement than even my pessimistic self imagined.

 

[Zariaswell]

Is it me, or has the game changed its name ?

 

[Bane71]

Friends, I recently met Sofia! She is certainly a beauty. I asked her to take my photo!
That's what came out of it:

 

[nexer]

Friends, I recently met Sofia! She is certainly a beauty. I asked her to take my photo!
That's what came out of it:
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I'm pretty sure Aiden was close.

 

[Deleted member 3516371]

I found the game on Facebook

 

[Bane71]

I'm pretty sure Aiden was close.

I whispered in her ear that she forgot to put on her panties. To which Sofia, smiling, told me that she took off her panties at the request of her student.