hzjujk

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Just thinking about that makes me shake my head. No game can survive going five years between story beats.
It doesn't matter if it takes 5 or 10 years. Maybe I'll be dead, but in any case I'll be playing other games by then. Now I'm playing "Pale Carnation" and after that I'm going to play "Summer Gone".
On my tombstone it won't say "Unfortunately didn't live to see the end of AWAM - may he rest in peace anyway".
 

Alley_Cat

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Just thinking about that makes me shake my head. No game can survive going five years between story beats.
Well, as I've mentioned before, I'm curious what the results might be if there were to be another Favouite Character poll after the noon update for PD14, and if Aiden or even Dylan would be as popular
 
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Sadowdark

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In my opinion, this scene was not needed at all because it did not contribute anything to the plot.
As far as I understand the gang scene with Sophia was for Aiden's followers and would they like it while waiting for task 5 in 5 years?
 
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As far as I understand the gang scene with Sophia was for Aiden's followers and would they like it while waiting for task 5 in 5 years?
Now I can't take everything seriously at all, even an event with Dylan seems to me a waste of time, what's the point of Dylan as MS, if the main interesting events are Sofia, it seems to me it would be more logical to make a couple of renderings, and not to do it as a separate event.
Joint events, I'm in favor, but individual events, where there is not even Sofia, are so superfluous for me.
 

Alley_Cat

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Now I can't take everything seriously at all, even an event with Dylan seems to me a waste of time, what's the point of Dylan as MS, if the main interesting events are Sofia, it seems to me it would be more logical to make a couple of renderings, and not to do it as a separate event.
Joint events, I'm in favor, but individual events, where there is not even Sofia, are so superfluous for me.
What gets me is that the storyline on the Dylan route appears (since I don't play it) to be about setting Dylan up with a girlfriend so that he can do the proper teen thing of fumbling around with a girl his age before moving on to scenes with Sophia. And Emma was being set up for it. But then she was taken off the Sophia/Dylan route and Marie was put on. The Dylan/Emma storyline being an example of uninteresting content.

The entire Dylan/Emma storyline could have been scrapped, him being set up with the hotter Marie, and Emma being used for more Sophia/Emma content since as fas as I'm aware, that's what Emma fans want. A teacher student storyline for those on the lesbian route could have been great.

And a short Dylan/Marie storyline isn't mutually exclusive with later Sophia/Dylan content, but rather fits with the route as presented.
 
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What gets me is that the storyline on the Dylan route appears (since I don't play it) to be about setting Dylan up with a girlfriend so that he can do the proper teen thing of fumbling around with a girl his age before moving on to scenes with Sophia. And Emma was being set up for it. But then she was taken off the Sophia/Dylan route and Marie was put on. The Dylan/Emma storyline being an example of uninteresting content.

The entire Dylan/Emma storyline could have been scrapped, him being set up with the hotter Marie, and Emma being used for more Sophia/Emma content since as fas as I'm aware, that's what Emma fans want. A teacher student storyline for those on the lesbian route could have been great.

And a short Dylan/Marie storyline isn't mutually exclusive with later Sophia/Dylan content, but rather fits with the route as presented.
Even those who are interested in the events of Sofia / Dylan (I personally am interested, but I like other characters more) are just wasting time right now, for an event that certainly does not harm the whole story, but it takes enough time.
He himself cut off as much as possible even sex scenes with Liam, because it's just not that important to everyone, there have always been few renderers in these events
But suddenly he decided to do separate events in general for Dylan, maybe this is some kind of exception, but it's about the same as spending time on animation of non-main characters, it could be added even after the update, then nothing would change.
 
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lockerxx

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What gets me is that the storyline on the Dylan route appears (since I don't play it) to be about setting Dylan up with a girlfriend so that he can do the proper teen thing of fumbling around with a girl his age before moving on to scenes with Sophia. And Emma was being set up for it. But then she was taken off the Sophia/Dylan route and Marie was put on. The Dylan/Emma storyline being an example of uninteresting content.

The entire Dylan/Emma storyline could have been scrapped, him being set up with the hotter Marie, and Emma being used for more Sophia/Emma content since as fas as I'm aware, that's what Emma fans want. A teacher student storyline for those on the lesbian route could have been great.

And a short Dylan/Marie storyline isn't mutually exclusive with later Sophia/Dylan content, but rather fits with the route as presented.
the funny part is that the Sophie/Emma path is inside the Dylan/Emma. :unsure:
 
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I would not like to go into a useless discussion, but there are 2-3 "old" and consistent defenders of the author on the forum who justify him, no matter how clumsily the update looks. But if the Old Dog argues stylishly, even elegantly, sometimes citing very unexpected arguments, then Sabretooth rushes at any critic like a soldier with a knife on a tank. His actions are similar to the attempts of the owner of a car dealership to sell customers a bicycle instead of a paid Bentley, convincing that this is more useful and environmentally friendly.
Does Sabretooth seriously believe that the presented version of the gang event is logical and complete. That a crowd of sexually mature males, inflamed by the sexuality, pliability and defenselessness of the victim, would let her go at Aiden's command. Ha ha 3 times. They would have groped her until she burst into hysterics, and sent her home without stockings and panties with bruises and hickeys all over her body, having previously examined all her technological holes with their fingers. And this would be a logical and more realistic conclusion to this plot, despite all its absurdity. Since in such gangs authority rests either on strength or on fear. What does Aiden represent for these men, strength or fear? As I said earlier, the author shows a lack of logic not only in the game as a whole, but also in each of the main scenes. Of course, you can refer to the fact that this is a parody of porn anime for little boys with big dicks. But by this you agree that this product is absurd and the complete lack of logic to the detriment of a beautiful picture.
 

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I would not like to go into a useless discussion, but there are 2-3 "old" and consistent defenders of the author on the forum who justify him, no matter how clumsily the update looks. But if the Old Dog argues stylishly, even elegantly, sometimes citing very unexpected arguments, then Sabretooth rushes at any critic like a soldier with a knife on a tank. His actions are similar to the attempts of the owner of a car dealership to sell customers a bicycle instead of a paid Bentley, convincing that this is more useful and environmentally friendly.
Does Sabretooth seriously believe that the presented version of the gang event is logical and complete. That a crowd of sexually mature males, inflamed by the sexuality, pliability and defenselessness of the victim, would let her go at Aiden's command. Ha ha 3 times. They would have groped her until she burst into hysterics, and sent her home without stockings and panties with bruises and hickeys all over her body, having previously examined all her technological holes with their fingers. And this would be a logical and more realistic conclusion to this plot, despite all its absurdity. Since in such gangs authority rests either on strength or on fear. What does Aiden represent for these men, strength or fear? As I said earlier, the author shows a lack of logic not only in the game as a whole, but also in each of the main scenes. Of course, you can refer to the fact that this is a parody of porn anime for little boys with big dicks. But by this you agree that this product is absurd and the complete lack of logic to the detriment of a beautiful picture.
Calm down brother, feel the fabric.
 

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I would not like to go into a useless discussion, but there are 2-3 "old" and consistent defenders of the author on the forum who justify him, no matter how clumsily the update looks. But if the Old Dog argues stylishly, even elegantly, sometimes citing very unexpected arguments, then Sabretooth rushes at any critic like a soldier with a knife on a tank. His actions are similar to the attempts of the owner of a car dealership to sell customers a bicycle instead of a paid Bentley, convincing that this is more useful and environmentally friendly.
Does Sabretooth seriously believe that the presented version of the gang event is logical and complete. That a crowd of sexually mature males, inflamed by the sexuality, pliability and defenselessness of the victim, would let her go at Aiden's command. Ha ha 3 times. They would have groped her until she burst into hysterics, and sent her home without stockings and panties with bruises and hickeys all over her body, having previously examined all her technological holes with their fingers. And this would be a logical and more realistic conclusion to this plot, despite all its absurdity. Since in such gangs authority rests either on strength or on fear. What does Aiden represent for these men, strength or fear? As I said earlier, the author shows a lack of logic not only in the game as a whole, but also in each of the main scenes. Of course, you can refer to the fact that this is a parody of porn anime for little boys with big dicks. But by this you agree that this product is absurd and the complete lack of logic to the detriment of a beautiful picture.
All I'll say is that there is enough fact given in the game showing Aiden's command over the guys. Aiden has strength in the form of actual criminal gangs mentioned "In the game" not my assumption. The police refuse to do anything to him. The guy was carrying a gun and yet he dare not defy Aiden. Aiden rules them and it has been clear. Nothing in the game contradicts that at any point. They all leave immediately as Aiden says during the day 16 scene and we see that happen here again. The black guy says he would have raped her, the only thing that prevented him from doing that was Aiden's command. So

All of what I mentioned is in the game and so there is no break in logic. What you have stated is headcannon that the guys should have done whatever you mentioned. That is your idea and nothing in the game backs that idea of yours.

I never reviewed the scene here. My honest opinions on the scene are

1. The scene doesn't move the plot, and is just fan service maybe because Aiden route is not coming back anytime soon. It does give more info about how dangerous the guys are and have weapons.

2. The writing was sub par, definitely not the best he can do. The scene was hot nevertheless but that had more to do with his art and not his writing skill.

3. The gang members should have been more rough but not like you described. Which brings me back to the fan service point. I can understand L&P's reason for holding back as an actual rough portrayal would have been too much at this stage of the game. A scene like this should have happened later in the game. L&P did force the scene here. But since it was too early. He gave it a more softer portrayal. Not the best idea.

In short the scene should have been a little more rougher for realism sake not as outrageous as you say. It won't be necessary. L&P should have waited on making this scene so he could do more justice to scenario he built.
 

ancienregimele

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I would not like to go into a useless discussion, but there are 2-3 "old" and consistent defenders of the author on the forum who justify him, no matter how clumsily the update looks. But if the Old Dog argues stylishly, even elegantly, sometimes citing very unexpected arguments, then Sabretooth rushes at any critic like a soldier with a knife on a tank. His actions are similar to the attempts of the owner of a car dealership to sell customers a bicycle instead of a paid Bentley, convincing that this is more useful and environmentally friendly.
Does Sabretooth seriously believe that the presented version of the gang event is logical and complete. That a crowd of sexually mature males, inflamed by the sexuality, pliability and defenselessness of the victim, would let her go at Aiden's command. Ha ha 3 times. They would have groped her until she burst into hysterics, and sent her home without stockings and panties with bruises and hickeys all over her body, having previously examined all her technological holes with their fingers. And this would be a logical and more realistic conclusion to this plot, despite all its absurdity. Since in such gangs authority rests either on strength or on fear. What does Aiden represent for these men, strength or fear? As I said earlier, the author shows a lack of logic not only in the game as a whole, but also in each of the main scenes. Of course, you can refer to the fact that this is a parody of porn anime for little boys with big dicks. But by this you agree that this product is absurd and the complete lack of logic to the detriment of a beautiful picture.
I'm old, literally so & a fan of the game/VN but I try to be objective when it comes to AWAM. I said all of this & a lot more, in various posts at the time of the update. I also had to point out, in all honesty however, that I had witnessed a woman walk away unscathed from such a scenario, in my youth, over 50 years ago. Even RL gangs can behave in an unexpected way. People don't always do the obvious things. Despite this, I agree that the scenario you describe would have been the more probable outcome & outlined why several times.

It would have had some logic, had it been a task but realism & logic are in short supply with AWAM these days. This game has fans of all ages but IMO is currently & for some time past, aimed at a young demographic, i.e. the scene was schoolboy wish fulfilment fantasy/wanking material. This follows on & is consistent with, Sophia's expanding breasts, Dylan being made an official second MC & the introduction of the shota boys.

Ironically, though the gang scene was inserted primarily in order to let Don Morello's soldiers do their work, thus putting an end to Aiden's activities, (& having also played this scene I thought it was quite satisfactory for most blackmail haters), those who chose not to dispense with Aiden may also not see him again. He is due back on PD16, which I calculate is 5 years away at current production rates. It could well be that the gang HQ meeting was a "big send-off" for the teenage miscreant.
 

hzjujk

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Oh, come on people! Name me one damn porn game or porn movie that has anything to do with realism. Every actor and every situation is exaggerated. It starts with the fact that the women and girls of the body measurements are always from a model catalog and with waists that are even more exaggerated. That means, if you complain about the lack of realism, you have to call not only for a cross against L&P, but against the whole porn industry. And, let's not kid ourselves, if we won and hard realism entered such productions, the porn industry would be boring as hell.
This is an open forum in which everyone can repeatedly say his opinion. Even if you can not follow the arguments or do not want to follow. Who does not like it can certainly set up a closed discussion channel on Discord in which only invited guests can come.
As for Sabertooth_, he is also just a member here in this forum what his opinion, emphatically, represents. One can follow his argumentation or reject it. What makes Sabertooth_ in my opinion again and again to the target is that he simply always tries to have the last word. (Forgive Sabertooth_, but that's how I see it). Discussions with him can often only be ended by not replying to his last post or by replying with an icon. But that does not mean that his opinions, which he represents are wrong or inappropriate.
 
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