Believe in what you believe, I will believe in what I believe.
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I hope that with each comment we go deeper and deeper, where no man has gone before
and we do not repeat the same theories over and over again. This is my understanding of "overanalyzing" and not a continuous repetition of the same analysis.As for the rest, since the MC is a woman, we try to understand her and predict her future actions. It's a hobby for some but imagine L&P, going round and round to fit the events.
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That means second part of day 12 become way bigger than first part.We were expecting to be smaller.
470 renders for part 1
400 renders for part 2
both side jobs-180 renders total.Instead they are 345
So second part of day 12 now will be at least 565,probably more than 600 renders.
- Aug 23, 2020
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Considering that the update after this upcoming release is supposed to be larger, we may be lucky to get just three releases this year.
So, update 1.30 only in Summer?
So, to resume what we know:
Scenario 1 - The simpler one
Everything is what it appears to be and logically to expect: Liam did lost at poker, Don just got lucky that the beautiful woman happened to be the wife of his debtor. Mafia has its own way to get the phone numbers of the people
Scenario 2 - A bit of twist but still likely
Don spots Sophia, he is struck and he "sets up" Liam with the poker game so he can have a leverage to pursue his plan with Sophia and Larry.
Scenario 3 - Liam is more involved in the deal than we know
Same as 2, but Don and Liam already had a discussion about the debt after the game and Liam kind of agrees to the deal (at different levels, according to your taste, he could simply agree to the visit, up to offering her as a partial collateral or worse (unlikely...)
After all, Liam was kind of quick at accepting the visiting behind the glass and at encouraging Sophia to do so (nexer ). And guess who gave Don the number...
Scenario 4 - Dark and evil path
Liam was already in debt because of other nights spent at the casino, made a deal with Don involving Sophia as collateral, the casino night nothing happened poker-wise and it served only for Don to agree to the deal after checking out Sophia.
I proposed (maybe others did previously, I didn't check) this as a pure wild speculation but I'm the first to say that's unlikely and as gingersweetgirl pointed out not really in the spirit of the game.
Not to mention that it also creates a problem with the whole storyline as Sophia can also leave the casino with Liam (hzjujk ), what happens to the debts in that case? It could be solved with just a business agreement without getting Sophia involved, but... nah!
- Liam has a gambling addiction
- Don approaches and flirts with Sophia at the roulette (because he was struck by her beauty, class etc)
- Liam tells Sophia he lost at poker and they are in huge debt
- Don calls Sophia to set up the meeting (unknown how he got the number)
Scenario 1 - The simpler one
Everything is what it appears to be and logically to expect: Liam did lost at poker, Don just got lucky that the beautiful woman happened to be the wife of his debtor. Mafia has its own way to get the phone numbers of the people
Scenario 2 - A bit of twist but still likely
Don spots Sophia, he is struck and he "sets up" Liam with the poker game so he can have a leverage to pursue his plan with Sophia and Larry.
Scenario 3 - Liam is more involved in the deal than we know
Same as 2, but Don and Liam already had a discussion about the debt after the game and Liam kind of agrees to the deal (at different levels, according to your taste, he could simply agree to the visit, up to offering her as a partial collateral or worse (unlikely...)
After all, Liam was kind of quick at accepting the visiting behind the glass and at encouraging Sophia to do so (nexer ). And guess who gave Don the number...
Scenario 4 - Dark and evil path
Liam was already in debt because of other nights spent at the casino, made a deal with Don involving Sophia as collateral, the casino night nothing happened poker-wise and it served only for Don to agree to the deal after checking out Sophia.
I proposed (maybe others did previously, I didn't check) this as a pure wild speculation but I'm the first to say that's unlikely and as gingersweetgirl pointed out not really in the spirit of the game.
Not to mention that it also creates a problem with the whole storyline as Sophia can also leave the casino with Liam (hzjujk ), what happens to the debts in that case? It could be solved with just a business agreement without getting Sophia involved, but... nah!
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This is off-topic a little bit, but It made me laugh. Hopefully, you'll have a good laugh too.
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It's likely Scenario 1 with a dash of Scenario 2.So, to resume what we know:
How do you tie together these facts in a storyline?
- Liam has a gambling addiction
- Don approaches and flirts with Sophia at the roulette (because he was struck by her beauty, class etc)
- Liam tells Sophia he lost at poker and they are in huge debt
- Don calls Sophia to set up the meeting (unknown how he got the number)
Scenario 1 - The simpler one
Everything is what it appears to be and logically to expect: Liam did lost at poker, Don just got lucky that the beautiful woman happened to be the wife of his debtor. Mafia has its own way to get the phone numbers of the people
Scenario 2 - A bit of twist but still likely
Don spots Sophia, he is struck and he "sets up" Liam with the poker game so he can have a leverage to pursue his plan with Sophia and Larry.
Scenario 3 - Liam is more involved in the deal than we know
Same as 2, but Don and Liam already had a discussion about the debt after the game and Liam kind of agrees to the deal (at different levels, according to your taste, he could simply agree to the visit, up to offering her as a partial collateral or worse (unlikely...)
After all, Liam was kind of quick at accepting the visiting behind the glass and at encouraging Sophia to do so (nexer ). And guess who gave Don the number...
Scenario 4 - Dark and evil path
Liam was already in debt because of other nights spent at the casino, made a deal with Don involving Sophia as collateral, the casino night nothing happened poker-wise and it served only for Don to agree to the deal after checking out Sophia.
I proposed (maybe other did previously, I didn't check) this as a pure wild speculation but I'm the first to say that's unlikely and as gingersweetgirl pointed out not really in the spirit of the game.
Not to mention that it also creates a problem with the whole storyline as Sophia can also leave the casino with Liam (hzjujk ), what happens to the debts in that case? It could be solved with just a business agreement without getting Sophia involved, but... nah!
It was Liam's idea and he pushed a little. Liam knew that only well-dressed people can enter.
- Nov 14, 2020
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Looking at it in those terms, I personally would be in between Scenario 1 and Scenario 2. A Scenario 1.5 or maybe 1.75 if you will!!So, to resume what we know:
How do you tie together these facts in a storyline?
- Liam has a gambling addiction
- Don approaches and flirts with Sophia at the roulette (because he was struck by her beauty, class etc)
- Liam tells Sophia he lost at poker and they are in huge debt
- Don calls Sophia to set up the meeting (unknown how he got the number)
Scenario 1 - The simpler one
Everything is what it appears to be and logically to expect: Liam did lost at poker, Don just got lucky that the beautiful woman happened to be the wife of his debtor. Mafia has its own way to get the phone numbers of the people
Scenario 2 - A bit of twist but still likely
Don spots Sophia, he is struck and he "sets up" Liam with the poker game so he can have a leverage to pursue his plan with Sophia and Larry.
Scenario 3 - Liam is more involved in the deal than we know
Same as 2, but Don and Liam already had a discussion about the debt after the game and Liam kind of agrees to the deal (at different levels, according to your taste, he could simply agree to the visit, up to offering her as a partial collateral or worse (unlikely...)
After all, Liam was kind of quick at accepting the visiting behind the glass and at encouraging Sophia to do so (nexer ). And guess who gave Don the number...
Scenario 4 - Dark and evil path
Liam was already in debt because of other nights spent at the casino, made a deal with Don involving Sophia as collateral, the casino night nothing happened poker-wise and it served only for Don to agree to the deal after checking out Sophia.
I proposed (maybe other did previously, I didn't check) this as a pure wild speculation but I'm the first to say that's unlikely and as gingersweetgirl pointed out not really in the spirit of the game.
Not to mention that it also creates a problem with the whole storyline as Sophia can also leave the casino with Liam (hzjujk ), what happens to the debts in that case? It could be solved with just a business agreement without getting Sophia involved, but... nah!
I still don't know whether the difference between Debt and Debts is a typo or even a translation error. I could envisage that there were some (probably smaller) pre-existing debts but I don't think that is essential. I certainly don't think there was any pre-planning of Liam to offer Sophia in any way beforehand.
Again Sophia's mini winning streak may have been set up by Don Morello but it does nt have to be - it could quite easily be a coincidence. I think it might be L&P attempt to show the difference in personality between Liam and Sophia. Sophia was nt greedy and knew the right moment to stop gambling. Liam with his thirst for money and his addictive personality just had to push it too far rather than quitting whilst he was ahead.
So whilst I don't think it was pre-arranged, I can certainly see that once Don Morello had met Sophia and realised that Liam was her husband, at the very least he took advantage of that situation. even if just to allow Liam to continue betting when he had run out of chips.
I agree with those that have said previously that Sophia's visit to Larry can't result in the debt being wiped. There is certainly more to come even if it is not an "Indecent Proposal". Am curious as to how it will be resolved.
PS: I am not a casino aficionado but every casino I have ever been in has had a bar!!
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I think it scenario 1 but scenario 3 or 4 does leave it open for Sophia to maybe dump Liam all together and I love that, highly doubt it 4 though.So, to resume what we know:
How do you tie together these facts in a storyline?
- Liam has a gambling addiction
- Don approaches and flirts with Sophia at the roulette (because he was struck by her beauty, class etc)
- Liam tells Sophia he lost at poker and they are in huge debt
- Don calls Sophia to set up the meeting (unknown how he got the number)
Scenario 1 - The simpler one
Everything is what it appears to be and logically to expect: Liam did lost at poker, Don just got lucky that the beautiful woman happened to be the wife of his debtor. Mafia has its own way to get the phone numbers of the people
Scenario 2 - A bit of twist but still likely
Don spots Sophia, he is struck and he "sets up" Liam with the poker game so he can have a leverage to pursue his plan with Sophia and Larry.
Scenario 3 - Liam is more involved in the deal than we know
Same as 2, but Don and Liam already had a discussion about the debt after the game and Liam kind of agrees to the deal (at different levels, according to your taste, he could simply agree to the visit, up to offering her as a partial collateral or worse (unlikely...)
After all, Liam was kind of quick at accepting the visiting behind the glass and at encouraging Sophia to do so (nexer ). And guess who gave Don the number...
Scenario 4 - Dark and evil path
Liam was already in debt because of other nights spent at the casino, made a deal with Don involving Sophia as collateral, the casino night nothing happened poker-wise and it served only for Don to agree to the deal after checking out Sophia.
I proposed (maybe others did previously, I didn't check) this as a pure wild speculation but I'm the first to say that's unlikely and as gingersweetgirl pointed out not really in the spirit of the game.
Not to mention that it also creates a problem with the whole storyline as Sophia can also leave the casino with Liam (hzjujk ), what happens to the debts in that case? It could be solved with just a business agreement without getting Sophia involved, but... nah!
For me Scenario 1 is most likely, Scenario 2 is maybe likely, Scenario 3 is unlikely, Scenario 4 is most unlikely.
However, it does create the question of if Liam knows what going on with Sophia?
he no doubts knows how attractive she is and that people hit on her but maybe he aware of how far she going with some and he did walk in on Sophia with Ellie in the shower. After all, he is new to town but he works at a big fashion company and people talk, especially about peoples wives.
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Once again thank you !! Liam stated high class . And when he went the first time supposedly ? Sophia went with a elegant dress while Liam went with a denim shirt and pants with sneakers . Hmmm . So something strange that the management didn't tell him the acquires of dressing . Elegant .
When the game ends, will the renders be already ultrarealistic and who knows holographic perhaps? We are talking 15 years from now apparently at this pace, so everthing is possible
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I do remember thinking it was strange for Liam, a man who works in high-fashion, to show up at the fancy casino in double-denim and boat shoes.
After Sophia points Liam out the Don has a disdainful line about what Liam is wearing, again I'm more inclined to believe the simpler answer - the scene serves to juxtapose the two men: Don Morello is wealthy and sophisticated (in a full tuxedo) and scoffs at Liam in his casual button-down.
One thing I will say that gives the Liam-already-had-debts theory some weight - if the theory hinges on Liam spending some of his late nights at the Casino when he says he's at work, pinning down when his pivotal casino trip happens would be helpful.
To that end, the Good wife path (which to date has not seen any mention of a gambling debt) has Liam keeping pretty much the same late night work schedule the whole way through - with 1 exception.
Day 11 in the evening;
- On the Good Wife path Sophia calls him home early with tickets to the Opera, they go, come back, make out in the entry hall then go up to the bedroom for some fun time.
- On the Filthy Wife path Sophia doesn't bother calling him, chats with Ellie, then ends up watching a little porn on the living room TV - when Liam does come home that night Sophia points out "Wow, this is a new record! You've never been this late!"
We can also spoil the game for ourselves by asking the lovely people who know how to crack open the game files and look at the code - to ask if there are any flags that pop-up at the end of Day 11 like a 'Day11Opera=Yes' or less subtly 'LiamGambledtheFuckingHouseAway=Yes' (I don't know what they would actually look like)
After Sophia points Liam out the Don has a disdainful line about what Liam is wearing, again I'm more inclined to believe the simpler answer - the scene serves to juxtapose the two men: Don Morello is wealthy and sophisticated (in a full tuxedo) and scoffs at Liam in his casual button-down.
One thing I will say that gives the Liam-already-had-debts theory some weight - if the theory hinges on Liam spending some of his late nights at the Casino when he says he's at work, pinning down when his pivotal casino trip happens would be helpful.
To that end, the Good wife path (which to date has not seen any mention of a gambling debt) has Liam keeping pretty much the same late night work schedule the whole way through - with 1 exception.
Day 11 in the evening;
- On the Good Wife path Sophia calls him home early with tickets to the Opera, they go, come back, make out in the entry hall then go up to the bedroom for some fun time.
- On the Filthy Wife path Sophia doesn't bother calling him, chats with Ellie, then ends up watching a little porn on the living room TV - when Liam does come home that night Sophia points out "Wow, this is a new record! You've never been this late!"
We can also spoil the game for ourselves by asking the lovely people who know how to crack open the game files and look at the code - to ask if there are any flags that pop-up at the end of Day 11 like a 'Day11Opera=Yes' or less subtly 'LiamGambledtheFuckingHouseAway=Yes' (I don't know what they would actually look like)
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It always made me laugh, the way Liam is dressed to go to the casino.
Seriously, you dress like this to go to the casino, you get blocked at the entrance lol.
- Sorry sir, you forgot to change your clothes I think.
Liam is even better dressed for the prison scene.
