VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[jamdan]

I'm not sure action is being "forced", but in general Sophia doesn't act very consistent. I think it boils down to too many routes and characters to keep up with. She's at different stages of corruption with different people.

For example, a few updates ago, but technically just a day ago or so in game, she sat on the sybian machine. Right in front of her friend and had an orgasm from it. That is a very sexual thing to do.

She let her maid give her a very sexual massage. I don't recall what the previous buildup was, but regardless that is the most sexual thing she has done in regards to direct sexual contact with another person. (Not her husband)

She made-out with her sons BFF in the hot tub, and let him grope her. To be fair, he has previous buildup but she let that accelerate quite a bit in a single scene.

Yet at the same time, she didn't want to dance erotically with her sister at the concert. Mind you, directly after that the Sam scene happened. That doesn't make sense considering what else she has done recently. Erotic dancing is the least lewd thing she's done. She did that early on at the dance club or whatever it was.

I'm not even getting into the old men/kids stuff. That is closer to typical Sophia, being generally unaware of how perverted everyone is around her. Yet she still "helped" them with virtually no real push. The task event didn't make sense in general, I'm not sure how that is a "task". She seemed to genuinely enjoy it.

If you look at the gallery, and figure out where the events happened in the story. The sexual content is clearly getting more aggressive and regular. Which makes sense. You can't slow burn forever. Corruption is gradual, and it's like a snowball. The longer you roll it, the bigger it gets. And thus the quicker it goes down the hill. The issue is, as I said firstly, Sophia's "snowball" is different sizes with different people and it makes her behavior inconsistent.

 

[palmtrees89]

She let her maid give her a very sexual massage. I don't recall what the previous buildup was, but regardless that is the most sexual thing she has done in regards to direct sexual contact with another person. (Not her husband)

While I genuinely enjoyed this event, I don't think that there has really been any buildup that would justify what happened in this scene. We've barely seen much of a conversation between Sophia and Nathalie up to this point, atleast nothing intimate enough to make this event seem realistic. I don't think Sophia secretly watching Nathalie masturbing in her bedroom counts here, even if Nathalie was aware of it, which she mentioned to Sophia in this scene. Also, Nathalie's new maid attire, while certainly very sexy, also seemed over the top. Sophia's reaction and casual acceptance right after didn't make it any more believable either, if you ask me.

But yeah, L&P can't keep the slow burn up forever, so I don't really mind it. Though I do agree that Sophia's corruption is in many cases a back and forth and very inconsistent considering previous events. I personally think L&P's biggest hickup storywise was the jerk-off session with two ~12 year old children. To me, that was extremely disappointing and an all-around terrible idea storywise, and it makes certain events now and in the near future seem very unrealistic, especially for those who decided to take the 2nd sidejob route.

Anyway... When the hell does this man start working on update 1 for PD13?!

 

[Sabertooth__]

As a kid, who used to free dive for fish and held my breath, while swimming, for over two minutes and 30 feet down this idea of yours's is all very nice and unrealistic. Please note. No one starts learning to swim holding their breath under water. Sam did not, none of my kids, I did not. Where you came up with this is crap. Sam had a terrorized reaction mere days ago as he was learning to swim. He plays strings not a trumpet, sax or any other blow that really builds lung capacity. What his air capacity is is totally unknown. Further this is unplanned and he has no idea how long he is down let alone working the opportunity. Being a singer in breathable air is not the same as in unbreathable water. Again I suspend belief. You choose to seek to believe. Fine. Just say that and stop with total unbelievable conjecture. To be honest, I am having to suspend belief to read what you write sometimes.

Have you ever been inside mini ponds. I have been going to them from my childhood since I had them at my native place. Now there is not enough space there to learn to swim but there was depth enough to submerge yourself in it. So I learnt how to breathe in water far before I learnt to swim.
When swimming one needs to be comfortable with breathing in water. You may have become a veteran so you don't understand that phase I believe. But take one if your friends who is not comfortable breathing in water to swimming. The biggest difficulty and fear for them will be that they can't breathe in water. The moment they submerge their face even for a second in water panic strikes.

In the first swimming lesson, by the end of it they are able to swim. If they had breathing issues in water they would never have been able to adapt to it so quickly, I hope you agree with this atleast. This only serves as evidence to me that they are able to do a decent job at holding their breaths. Plus I we don't know how much Sam practiced swimming in the past 6 days of the game.

One thing we do know is that on Day 17 he and Dylan were both good enough to take numerous laps across the pool. Which I don't think anyone with underwater breathing issues will be able to do. You didn't raise any questions back then about this. So I don't understand suddenly it becoming unacceptable for you.

The time period for which Sam was underwater was around a minute which isn't much. And it seems to me like you don't know but vocalists have to train their breath control because there are always songs in which breathing gaps are far in between, So if you would have to be hitting a high note then your voice will fall flat if you run out of breath. So Vocalists have good lung capacity.

And just you don't say that I am saying whatever comes to my mind. Here you go. This is just one of the 100's of results that you will find on this topic which support my argument.



Also I would also like to address the visibility inside the tub. I came across a render which can give us a good idea of how things look inside the tub from an outside perspective



From here we get to see the level of visibility inside the tub. We can hardly make out Sophia's legs even though she is standing. This shots angle is a lot higher than Liam's eye level. So what Liam sees is even less than we are seeing in this render. Because of a lower angle. Plus in this render Sophia is far away from the seating space. The closer we get to the seating space the more of a blind spot that becomes. I am not believing in something unbelievable, you just don't want to believe even though there is a good chance of it actually happening.

 

[darji]

But here Sam was sucking on her down there, Sucking on her breasts but it's all fine when Sam does it. That's hypocritical in my opinion. And there are more instances where the fans of the game act hypocritically and see no problem when things are done by their favourite character but when the same act is done by someone else it is a problem.

It is fine because they were making out a few seconds ago. Who even knows what would have happen if Liam was not coming home.

 

[jamdan]

The maid and Sophia had mutual attraction. Plus if you are seeing this event then you have quite a few lesbian points. So Sophia is okay with trying stuff with women. Here Nathalie came clean and instead of forcing herself on her went with a relaxing massage. It escalated from just a massage to an erotic massage. Something Sophia didn't plan to receive. There were 3 events before which were there to build the sexual tension between them and that sexual tension just bursts in this scene by an active approach by Nathalie.

Sure, but the maid walked into her house wearing a sexy maid outfit. And was clearly intending to do more than a simple massage. Sophia is generally fairly naive, but she isn't dumb. She willingly took her clothes off and let her sexy maid massage her. I think it's virtually impossible that Sophia didn't think something more could happen. Like you said, they have built some sexual tension. She would've let her do more if the mailman didn't interrupt.

Sitting on a sybian infront of your friend a woman, and messing around with your son's bff happened in private. Erotically dancing with your sister in a bar full of bikers isn't the same. Plus right at the beginning they say that the place is giving them rapey vibes. So ofcourse Sophia doesn't wanna risk much.

Of course they aren't the same. Using a sybian is a VERY private thing to do in front of someone, friend or not. Especially for someone like Sophia. Was she safe? Sure, but that's still a big thing to do. They could've been walked in on. The same applies to Sam's hot tub. Was she safe? Sure, but I don't agree that it was in private. They almost got caught, she knew her husband would be home soon. She knew the risk and did it anyway, Sam wasn't hiding his intentions. She wanted it too.

Erotically dancing with her sister, in a bar where Sam's band is preforming, IMO, is a pretty safe thing to do. Even if the bar was "rapey", the bikers couldn't actually do anything. She was with someone else the entire time. She's been in "rapier" situations, in the shower at work especially and at the other dance club as a more direct comparison. All 3 events, the bar the tub and the sybian involved risk. One risk was getting walked in on, the other was her husband catching her. And the last was the rapy bikers, which IMO, were the least likely to actually happen.

Heck, the thugs at the part were far more likely to cause harm than the bikers at the bar. And she did yoga right in front of them without another thought, even when Dylan was arguing with them & got into a fight. They didn't leave, they just moved to another bench. They could've easily beat the crap out of Dylan and raped her. Yet she wasn't worried about it.

I don't know why everyone judges the progress in comparison to someone else. Like Sam got to do this much, so Dylan should be allowed this much and Ellie should be able to go beyond that. Why as such. What happens in a situation depends on the situation, the circumstances and what leads to them. Not what happened last time with the character or what happened with some other character. This exactly the kind of porn trope that L&P is trying to avoid. He let's the circumstances decide how far the scene goes and not the redundant logic of comparing which character is where.

It's not about the progress of the characters, is how that progress of the characters makes Sophia act. Sure, the situations aren't the same but that doesn't mean they exist in a void either. They all interact with each other. You mentioned lesbian points previously, Sophia doesn't do that massage if she didn't do lesbian acts previously. She wouldn't have enough points. All the past content leads to the future content. This game has a fairly strict points system.

A Sophia all alone with Sam whom she finds attractive, weakened by alcohol and him looking like her singer crush. Actively kissing him can easily lead to slipping away. A lot of the things like sucking her breasts and other stuff happened when she couldn't resist because Liam would have found out. Sam did what he did in the last part without Sophia's consent.

That's all true. But she knew what he wanted, alcohol or not. But at the same time, she also wanted it. She is attracted to him and his charm, as you mentioned. Did the alcohol make her a little more loose per say? Sure, but if they didn't get interrupted she would've let him do more anyways, IMO, before finally snapping out of it.

Also Apparently no one bats an eye to that. Sophia was totally cornered and helpless in that situation in comparison to during the Aiden event where even if she said to stop there would have been no consequences. But everyone felt Aiden was a rapist for touching Sophia's breast without her consent. But here Sam was sucking on her down there, Sucking on her breasts but it's all fine when Sam does it. That's hypocritical in my opinion. And there are more instances where the fans of the game act hypocritically and see no problem when things are done by their favourite character but when the same act is done by someone else it is a problem.

Sam and Aiden are not comparable. Sam, is a charming young man that Sophia happens to like quite a lot. Aiden is a blackmailer. They have virtually nothing in common. You say Sophia was slipping away because of the kissing and alcohol...does the same not apply to Sam? He was drinking and kissing too, he got carried away from making out with a hot MILF in the hot tub. He had no ill intent, unlike Aiden.


And just to be clear, I'm not upset about the update or the pace, I think these past couple updates have been very good. But that doesn't mean they necessarily make much sense. We're transitioning from the Sophia being naive and unaware of other people intent to herself beginning to want it. And sometimes, transitions are weird.

 

[BorgiaBou]

Anyway... When the hell does this man start working on update 1 for PD13?!

Chill man its Christmas month the guy need a "break" too...

 

[Hfsofia]

can anyone post the latest Patreon post of L&P

 

[DIRTY MIND]

No fan of Dylan has been active on this page since Sam's update, There were many discussions about Dylan's future event and routes. If we notice that no fan of Dylan responds to the ongoing Dylan debate here, Probably all of them feel that My boy sam just made a lot of progress in the single event and they all might like it.

Maybe now they've all lost interest in Dylan's events and paths.This is really something that all of us can enjoy.

Even in the next PD 13, my boy sam will make even greater progress. I doubt Dylan will progress to half of the sam in the next PD. This time Sophia / Dylan made any little progress, Again same, which was purely for the purpose of sex education.

The romantic path only suits my boy sam. That looser Dylan shouldn't have any small romantic scenes.


Dylan fans now *

 

[Mennnnnn234]

new cover please

 

[Lukasz1]

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I spent almost 4 days on this. Hope you like it

 

[Kumartest]

New cover post from L& P for Part 2 (4K)

 

[darji]

Wait a minute, it is not fine. Just because you made out with someone doesn't give the license to do whatever you want without the other person's permission.

Sam did not have Sophia's permission to suck on her breasts. Sophia never gave her consent for that. We don't know what would have happened if Liam had not come. Maybe she would have slapped him for trying to do things without her consent. The crux is that Sam touched all over her when she was in a helpless state, unable to resist without having explicit permission from her to so.

It was in the heat of the moment. She even pressed him down. Consent is not black or white in these cases. She also was not mad at him. And she only hesitated because Liam was there. As I said before if Liam was not coming home who knows how far they would have gone.

Also note. He Said this render took im 3-4 days.

 

[tigers]

New cover post from L& P for Part 2 (4K)

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Please post the full resolution. Hard to make out the characters

 

[Sabertooth__]

It was in the heat of the moment. She even pressed him down. Consent is not black or white in these cases. She also was not mad at him. And she only hesitated because Liam was there. As I said before if Liam was not coming home who knows how far they would have gone.

Also note. He Said this render took im 3-4 days.

Sexual harrasment is sexual harrasment. Whether it happens in the heat of the moment or not. You can't walk away with it saying you were horny so you did it by mistake. She is mad at him. There are two renders. She gives him a warning with her eyes to stop and yet he continues. You can no longer defend him after that. He goes onto kiss all over her and Sophia pushes him away at the first instance. She claws into his hair to tell to stop, he ignores it. All this suggests this was an unwanted sexual advance and this is what is sexual harrasment. After that she scolds and regrets that she shouldn't even have let this happen at all.

If Liam did not come home what do you suppose would happen. Sam sucked down there on her because Liam came do you think he would have been able to that if he didn't. Just earlier in that day she freaked out when Nathalie proposed touching her down there, she is a woman, Sophia is not related to her in anyway unlike Sam who is their best friend's son. Do you think she would have allowed it. He got far more out of cornering and taking advantage of the situation than he could have. And I have no problems with that. It is just that it is hypocritical to label one as rapist and the other not just because one is a good person in your eyes and the other isn't.

 

[Bane71]

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I spent almost 4 days on this. Hope you like it

Just look at what an open swimsuit on Sophie! Her ass is almost completely open.

I wonder if this is just an illustration for the second part or in some sense a preview render? The game was about everyone going to the beach together, because here we see all the important characters.

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

I spent almost 4 days on this.

it was necessary?

 

[hzjujk]

Have you ever been inside mini ponds. I have been going to them from my childhood since I had them at my native place. Now there is not enough space there to learn to swim but there was depth enough to submerge yourself in it. So I learnt how to breathe in water far before I learnt to swim.
When swimming one needs to be comfortable with breathing in water. You may have become a veteran so you don't understand that phase I believe. But take one if your friends who is not comfortable breathing in water to swimming. The biggest difficulty and fear for them will be that they can't breathe in water. The moment they submerge their face even for a second in water panic strikes.

In the first swimming lesson, by the end of it they are able to swim. If they had breathing issues in water they would never have been able to adapt to it so quickly, I hope you agree with this atleast. This only serves as evidence to me that they are able to do a decent job at holding their breaths. Plus I we don't know how much Sam practiced swimming in the past 6 days of the game.

One thing we do know is that on Day 17 he and Dylan were both good enough to take numerous laps across the pool. Which I don't think anyone with underwater breathing issues will be able to do. You didn't raise any questions back then about this. So I don't understand suddenly it becoming unacceptable for you.

The time period for which Sam was underwater was around a minute which isn't much. And it seems to me like you don't know but vocalists have to train their breath control because there are always songs in which breathing gaps are far in between, So if you would have to be hitting a high note then your voice will fall flat if you run out of breath. So Vocalists have good lung capacity.

And just you don't say that I am saying whatever comes to my mind. Here you go. This is just one of the 100's of results that you will find on this topic which support my argument.

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Also I would also like to address the visibility inside the tub. I came across a render which can give us a good idea of how things look inside the tub from an outside perspective

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From here we get to see the level of visibility inside the tub. We can hardly make out Sophia's legs even though she is standing. This shots angle is a lot higher than Liam's eye level. So what Liam sees is even less than we are seeing in this render. Because of a lower angle. Plus in this render Sophia is far away from the seating space. The closer we get to the seating space the more of a blind spot that becomes. I am not believing in something unbelievable, you just don't want to believe even though there is a good chance of it actually happening.

People are very good at recognizing patterns, especially when they have unusual shapes. We are also very good at recognizing micro facial expressions, even if we are not consciously aware of them. For me, if Sophia couldn't keep an absolute poker face, her 20-year-old husband should be able to read the panic and shame on her face. Even that would have made Liam realize, perhaps unconsciously, that something is wrong and if he then sees the unusual shapes underwater out of the corner of his eye, he would not have let Sophia push him back so easily. Listen - I know that you often defend your position here in the forum except for the knife, leave it now, because the chances that Liam will not discover the stranger underwater are at best 50:50.

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

I wonder if this is just an illustration for the second part or in some sense a preview render?

obviously it won't be part of the game; it was just a way to lengthen the broth.

holy christ, L&P is in crisis, has declared that it needs help, the processes are getting longer and wasting time 4 days to make a cover?

ridiculous

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

now will you spend another 4 days making the cover of DOL?

 

[Sabertooth__]

People are very good at recognizing patterns, especially when they have unusual shapes. We are also very good at recognizing micro facial expressions, even if we are not consciously aware of them. For me, if Sophia couldn't keep an absolute poker face, her 20-year-old husband should be able to read the panic and shame on her face. Even that would have made Liam realize, perhaps unconsciously, that something is wrong and if he then sees the unusual shapes underwater out of the corner of his eye, he would not have let Sophia push him back so easily. Listen - I know that you often defend your position here in the forum except for the knife, leave it now, because the chances that Liam will not discover the stranger underwater are at best 50:50.

See, atleast the render where Liam is close to Sophia, Sophia's facial expressions are normal. Plus would you doubt a woman you've been married to for 20 years so easily. Liam was pushed away immediately, so I hardly see the chances of him seeing anything.

Yet not once have I stated that there is 100% certainty that Sam cannot be see. But it is also possible that he is not. So while considering what is realistic. Anything is realistic as long as there is even a remote possibility of it happening. Just outright rejecting a scene and calling it completely wrong is the issue. People want to find issues with every scene and never give the benefit of doubt to any scene. Even though they have other choices which are just as cannon as the others they make the choice that they disagree with the most and then complain that is it is completely unrealistic. If you believe that it is unrealistic make the choice that is closest to what you accept as real. That's the whole point of choices in the game. Since what is acceptable is different for different people.