VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[armion82]

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lol, looks like l&p completely forgot this was a sophia/dylan event. No teaser of Dylan at the sophia/Dylan event. This is very strange to me.

Probably because Sophia/Dylan scene is hot as fuck,he can't show us even a single render

 

[SophiaMelinda]

Especially considering if you're also playing the Ellie route, Dylan has had the other bathroom to himself for about a week.

Yes, exactly. I'm sure there will be a reason for that somewhere in the next update. Maybe Mr Harris needs to use bathroom so either Dylan or Sophia have to use one of the other's?

 

[Alley_Cat]

What should Liam think? The bathtub is huge and Sophia wears a Bikini. The whole thing will seem completely harmless to him.



There are no realistic porn games, because realistically, nothing would ever happen, not even between Sophia/Ellie, etc. and that would be boring at hell.

I think for many the curruption in a porn game is an essential part. If you also consider, that in the normal world, males do not need to be currupted, there can be an issue, if just the perspectiv is changed from male to female, but everything else works quite "normal". I think even with AWAM (including kind of a male 2nd main charakter) one can notice that it is quite monotonous to choose the filthy option over and over again against Sophia's inner resistance and yet so little happens. There is a fundamental break between the player and the character he controls. AWAM plays a bit like the whole world wants to have sex with Sophia and you as the player keep deciding it's okay for Sophia to do so, but ultimately, you have no influence. This was quite funny at the beginning, but in the meantime it plays as if you make practically no decisions at all. It is much more fun to make decisions for a male character, because the player and the character act in a coherent way and want to overcome the obstacles of the environment to achieve their goals. That's why I think that L&P should expand the part of Dylan.

My point isn't whether or not the game is or should be realistic. It's obviously not, but claims to be. Last I checked, the stated goal by L&P is that his game is better than others because it has realism and class. But that's not what he's doing.

The stated goal by L&P is to make a female-MC MILF game. But that's not what he's doing. If he were to rewrite the game description to properly reflect the amount of Dylan content in the game, I'd have no problems

 

[tofhdns]

So far, the contents of the spoilers I've seen have been like this.

1. Sofia takes a bath in any case.
2. Dylan goes to a basketball game, goes to Christine's party, or takes a bath with Sofia.
3. Sofia does not join Liam and Harris in watching football.

And Dylan came home from the salon with Sophia and talked to her in the hallway of the house.

Therefore

1. Sofia never leaves the house.
2. Dylan's story should start at home.
3. The meeting between Sofia and Harris will be very short.
- Even if Liam gets drunk, there's Dylan next to Sofia.
- And since Neil has already been slapped in a similar situation, the developer wouldn't use the same scene if he had a conscience.
4. Unless the word bath means swimming or something else, Sofia goes to the bathroom.

There is also no sex this year, the developer said.
So if Harris isn't eunuch, it's likely that there won't be an event of Harris and Sophia you imagine.

It would be too romantic if Harris only kissed Sophia and left, but this, too, has already been used by Bennett first, and Bennett is forgotten in the story.

 

[Private YO]

I don't think so... Sophia was wearing the sexy dress in the good wife route. While here she's coming downstairs on the filthy wife route. So they are not connected paths.

Nope.

I believe you haven't played every path available.

All you need to do is avoid the debt at Don Morello's Casino, which will lead Sophia in sexy dress in office scene.
(Hint : When you go to the Sauna with Patricia and Ellie avoid progressing with the guys there which will provide the option to drive Liam from casino.)

This way Sophia will have more filthy at the same time Sophia in sexy dress in office to impress Liam scene will open.

 

[tofhdns]

And

This is what I focused on in the developer's writing.

"You cannot have one hot event after the next with a female MC! "

"If you play this part 2 in a row and she would stumble from one sexual event ...... very unrealistc ...... pretty boring ......"

"You also need some more relaxing event in between to cool down!"



Therefore......

 

[ihl86]

My point isn't whether or not the game is or should be realistic. It's obviously not, but claims to be. Last I checked, the stated goal by L&P is that his game is better than others because it has realism and class. But that's not what he's doing.

The stated goal by L&P is to make a female-MC MILF game. But that's not what he's doing. If he were to rewrite the game description to properly reflect the amount of Dylan content in the game, I'd have no problems

I don't know if this comes from L&P himself or where else but it's the description on the first page: "So, will she stay the good, faithful wife or will she fall into all the temptations and become a filthy wh**e soon?"

Filthy whore soon ). It's been 6 years or something now, right? Or maybe he is referring to game days because there it's been very little time.
This is my biggest problem with the game, he insists on packing all of the events in a few days. Why not let a few days pass between different events (and not make them playable and make us sift through nothing, just skip them entirely) ?

 

[XaGnard]

My point isn't whether or not the game is or should be realistic. It's obviously not, but claims to be. Last I checked, the stated goal by L&P is that his game is better than others because it has realism and class. But that's not what he's doing.

The stated goal by L&P is to make a female-MC MILF game. But that's not what he's doing. If he were to rewrite the game description to properly reflect the amount of Dylan content in the game, I'd have no problems

Well, if you read the introduction to AWAM written by L&P, then it becomes clear that for him realism is essentially characterized by the elaborate graphic presentation and slow burn. I don't think that's necessarily right, but that's what he wrote.

L&P statements about female-MC MILF game are certainly outdated, though, I agree. In the meantime, there are quite a few games that can be played from this perspective. Also AWAM has now clearly been given at bit of the perspective of Dylan, which I see as a great improvement, because it's the female perspective in this game that gets boring in the long run. So, i think, L&P should expand Dylans part even more. Still, L&P don't has to change the game description, because it still applies, with AWAM clearly has Sophia as the main character. Even though I probably would have liked it better if the game was mainly presented from Dylan's perspective, it's probably too late for that.

 

[armion82]

So far, the contents of the spoilers I've seen have been like this.

1. Sofia takes a bath in any case.
2. Dylan goes to a basketball game, goes to Christine's party, or takes a bath with Sofia.
3. Sofia does not join Liam and Harris in watching football.

And Dylan came home from the salon with Sophia and talked to her in the hallway of the house.

Therefore

1. Sofia never leaves the house.
2. Dylan's story should start at home.
3. The meeting between Sofia and Harris will be very short.
- Even if Liam gets drunk, there's Dylan next to Sofia.
- And since Neil has already been slapped in a similar situation, the developer wouldn't use the same scene if he had a conscience.
4. Unless the word bath means swimming or something else, Sofia goes to the bathroom.

There is also no sex this year, the developer said.
So if Harris isn't eunuch, it's likely that there won't be an event of Harris and Sophia you imagine.

It would be too romantic if Harris only kissed Sophia and left, but this, too, has already been used by Bennett first, and Bennett is forgotten in the story.

The way the dev is preparing us,it looks like there will be no sex for another decade Sophia/male.
If we don't count Liam/Sophia and we are not.

 

[ihl86]

Well, if you read the introduction to AWAM written by L&P, then it becomes clear that for him realism is essentially characterized by the elaborate graphic presentation and slow burn. I don't think that's necessarily right, but that's what he wrote.

L&P statements about female-MC MILF game are certainly outdated, though, I agree. In the meantime, there are quite a few games that can be played from this perspective. Also AWAM has now clearly been given at bit of the perspective of Dylan, which I see as a great improvement, because it's the female perspective in this game that gets boring in the long run. So, i think, L&P should expand Dylans part even more. Still, L&P don't has to change the game description, because it still applies, with AWAM clearly has Sophia as the main character. Even though I probably would have liked it better if the game was mainly presented from Dylan's perspective, it's probably too late for that.

There are so many incest games from the son's perspective. What would one more game like that add to the genre? For me, the Dylan route is the most boring one, to be honest, since its theme is in half the games here from what I can see. Sure, it's done better than most but still. I like the avenues less seen in other games, like the Aidan one, the teaching one (although I don't like how small the kids are), even the one with Mr. Morreti or whatever the mafia boss's name is.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Well, if you read the introduction to AWAM written by L&P, then it becomes clear that for him realism is essentially characterized by the elaborate graphic presentation and slow burn. I don't think that's necessarily right, but that's what he wrote.

L&P statements about female-MC MILF game are certainly outdated, though, I agree. In the meantime, there are quite a few games that can be played from this perspective and AWAM has now also clearly been given at bit of the perspective of Dylan, which I see as a great improvement, because it's the female perspective in this game that gets boring in the long run. So, i think, L&P should expand Dylans part even more. Still, L&P don't has to change the game description, because it still applies, with AWAM clearly has Sophia as the main character. Even though I probably would have liked it better if the game was mainly presented from Dylan's perspective, it's probably too late for that.

What makes the game great is Sophia as a character - I think we can all agree on that. What got me personally interested in this game as opposed to something like Big Brother was the female protagonist, and the fact that it wasn't just a male protag incest game. That we could actually choose if the female had sex with the old, ugly and/or fat dude. Or kid.

Years later, I can still count on one hand the amount of games I follow that have that. What we might actually be seeing with the latest poll results is L&P trying to get into both realistic AVNs and the shota incest market, and starting to backfire. With it being about 20 years before Dylan gets his chance with Sophia, people can easily get far more bang for their buck supporting games like Glamour, where the son character in that actually does have a harem. Last I checked, in the female MC path too.

In the last couple of months I've noticed a few MILF games spring up. Not with enough content to compete with this yet, but at the rate L&P is releasing content, it's not going to be far off. Hell, Mother's Devotion has two son characters.

 

[hzjujk]

No one will disturb them.

If Liam tries to enter the bathroom, Sophia cannot stop him. And if Liam sees Sophia and Dylan bathing together, he will demand an immediate divorce.
...

The explanation why the bathroom door is locked and Liam cannot enter the room is relatively simple. Even though Sophia greeted Harris in relatively suggestive clothing, she can still explain that she wanted to prevent Harris from "straying" into the bathroom in search of a restroom.
So my wife would do the same if I had colleagues at home and she was taking a bath. And I would not find anything strange about it.
Sure the Parkers' house has multiple bathrooms, but I think my wife would still lock herself in.

 

[LSC82]

I don't know if this comes from L&P himself or where else but it's the description on the first page: "So, will she stay the good, faithful wife or will she fall into all the temptations and become a filthy wh**e soon?"

Filthy whore soon ). It's been 6 years or something now, right? Or maybe he is referring to game days because there it's been very little time.
This is my biggest problem with the game, he insists on packing all of the events in a few days. Why not let a few days pass between different events (and not make them playable and make us sift through nothing, just skip them entirely) ?

LP has us follow the character 24/7, morning, midday, afternoon, evening and night, every single day... that's a unique approach, most games skip large portions of the day where we can assume nothing of note happened, which no doubt helps expedite the development.
This approach leads to one weird phenomenon in this "realistic" story, in that how can a person can be subjected to so many "events" during a single day? And it's not one crazy hectic day, it's everyday now.

If you play the whore route (of course you do ), Sophia has been in a constant state of horniness for a while now, she enjoys it now.
The attention, showing her body, even getting groped and making out with "not really appropriate" partners... but still there's no telling how long LP is gonna keep her in this "horny yet no sex" state.

 

[hzjujk]

I wonder who is going to interrupt if Dylan is sharing a bath with Sophia. We know Liam is okay with Sophia and Ellie showering together, but Dylan ...

In this case, I believe that an interruption of the scene is not necessary.
However, the assumption is, based on L&P interpretable statements, that one of the two, Sophia or/and Dylan, comes to orgasm through masturbation.
Afterwards, both will have the problem, when the bliss is over, to rationalize what happened. This should be enough as a big stop sign and needs no interruption from the outside.

 

[Zacko man]

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lol, looks like l&p completely forgot this was a sophia/dylan event. No teaser of Dylan at the sophia/Dylan event. This is very strange to me.

Yeah, maybe he forgot it was a Sophia/Dylan event.

At the last Sam events, Sophia looked beautiful and very sexy. But she looks very modest in this event. Sophia is wearing no makeup at this Dylan event. She doesn't look good without necklace and earrings. Also her breasts look a little smaller in this event compared to the last event.

 

[Zacko man]

As helxtor said, He wastes time on a scene that may play a role in the GW path... in the actual highly praised evening event with Sophia and Dylan! This is unbelievable and disappointing for us.

 

[Alley_Cat]

LP has us follow the character 24/7, morning, midday, afternoon, evening and night, every single day... that's a unique approach, most games skip large portions of the day where we can assume nothing of note happened, which no doubt helps expedite the development.
This approach leads to one weird phenomenon in this "realistic" story, in that how can a person can be subjected to so many "events" during a single day? And it's not one crazy hectic day, it's everyday now.

If you play the whore route (of course you do ), Sophia has been in a constant state of horniness for a while now, she enjoys it now.
The attention, showing her body, even getting groped and making out with "not really appropriate" partners... but still there's no telling how long LP is gonna keep her in this "horny yet no sex" state.

What are you calling the "whore" route, because officially there is no such thing. Whilst I wait for content on the Ellie and Patricia route, all Sophia has done today is teach class, then go home. Presumably gone and grabbed coffee, then take Dylan for a haircut. None of which has got her anywhere close to horny. Still the Filthy route though.

Like how we can't presume that Sophia being next door will have any effect on the content for this evening, because in some players playthrough, it simply hasn't happened. I'll need clarification since I didn't play the event, but haven't heard of any residual horniness of Sophia after Aiden's events while she was next door.

 

[oblivion2047]

this is a massive update from the neil and sophia cheerleader event. i had a feeling theres going to be something sneaky between harris and sophia. i had said there might be a proposal the same way neil did during the cheerleader event. i wonder what it'll be, if he were to feel her... will she allow it? would she mask it by convincing herself that she's doing this for her husband job promotion? or out of pettiness because liam rather spend time with harris instead of her?

 

[XaGnard]

What makes the game great is Sophia as a character - I think we can all agree on that. What got me personally interested in this game as opposed to something like Big Brother was the female protagonist, and the fact that it wasn't just a male protag incest game. That we could actually choose if the female had sex with the old, ugly and/or fat dude. Or kid.

Years later, I can still count on one hand the amount of games I follow that have that. What we might actually be seeing with the latest poll results is L&P trying to get into both realistic AVNs and the shota incest market, and starting to backfire. With it being about 20 years before Dylan gets his chance with Sophia, people can easily get far more bang for their buck supporting games like Glamour, where the son character in that actually does have a harem. Last I checked, in the female MC path too.

In the last couple of months I've noticed a few MILF games spring up. Not with enough content to compete with this yet, but at the rate L&P is releasing content, it's not going to be far off. Hell, Mother's Devotion has two son characters.

I see most of the choice in AWAM (e.g. if we want to have something with the old guys or not) as a disadvantage, because to me it just feels like you're only skipping story parts instead of making real decisions with consequences. It's never really about what Sophia's goals are as the main character, it's always about what kink you choose or don't choose as a player. To be honest, I find this to be AWAM's weak point.

Also, I don't think the choice of a female main charater is what makes AWAM so good. Instead, what AWAM does so well is the quality of the content in general. Lets face it. Most games here (no matter if the have incest content or not) are just garbage. There is a lack of story and even more a lack of comprehensible characters and dialogues. That's where AWAM and a few other games here stand out. But this would have also worked with Dylan instead of Sophia as MC. I even suspect that it would have been the better choice, since the goals of the player would have matched those of the MC and there would not have been this strange difference between player decision and progress in game. I don't know how many times now I have confirmed to Sophia that it is not a problem at show her breasts, and still I am confronted with this always same inner conflict. It was interesting at the beginning, but now it's really starting to become frustrating rather than fun. I would rather play a character that has real goals that I can try to achieve. I don't care that this perspective has already been taken in other games. Even more, I think there are good reasons why this perspective was used and you can see that AWAM is slowly reaching its limits here with Sophia as MC.

 

[LSC82]

What are you calling the "whore" route, because officially there is no such thing. Whilst I wait for content on the Ellie and Patricia route, all Sophia has done today is teach class, then go home. Presumably gone and grabbed coffee, then take Dylan for a haircut. None of which has got her anywhere close to horny. Still the Filthy route though.

Like how we can't presume that Sophia being next door will have any effect on the content for this evening, because in some players playthrough, it simply hasn't happened. I'll need clarification since I didn't play the event, but haven't heard of any residual horniness of Sophia after Aiden's events while she was next door.

I believe you are sticking to lesbian only, correct?
In a everything as filthy as possible playthrough she's been enjoying what has been happening to her for awhile, getting groped in art class, doing Aiden's various tasks, getting groped by Zac, fantasizing about fucking Larry Morello(showing her panties without request), and "playing a character" to date Sam... with the Ellie events slotting in the middle of all this, with these events happening one after the other non-stop.
Even in a tame event like the hair salon she enjoys letting Marie's boyfriend stare at her tits.
I call that being horny all the time.

It's hard to summarize everything in "GW vs Filthy" because truly there are a lot of levels of filth... and the lesbian only being it's own thing.
But if you max out in the filth she's horny all the time now, we are just waiting for our lord and saviour LP to let it happen.

I don't know how many times now I have confirmed to Sophia that it is not a problem at show her breasts, and still I am confronted with this always same inner conflict. It was interesting at the beginning, but now it's really starting to become frustrating rather than fun. I would rather play a character that has real goals that I can try to achieve. I don't care that this perspective has already been taken in other games. Even more, I think there are good reasons why this perspective was used and you can see that AWAM is slowly reaching its limits here with Sophia as MC.

100% agreed, that's a big problem, we have multiple scenes now where she shows her tits, sometimes under some duress(but not whole a lot) but voluntarily at times too, that Sophia ends up enjoying and exhilarated from the rush... and in the next scene, we go through the same charade...