palmtrees89

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I'm inspecting the picture again and the feeling of dissapointment rises in me.

Anyone who's in a relationship knows that their bodies would be doing the talking by now. Especially after the dancing scene. They would be much closer to each other, there would definitely be touching. He would be whispering things to her ear...

Pfffff.... :poop:
You do realize that Dylan is Sophia's son, right?
 

XaGnard

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... I've never said AWAM had to be or actually was realistic. I have said that it had a "veneer" of realism. ...
Have you forgotten what you said?!? Here is a reminder.:

It began as a Visual Novel. That's when "realism & class" were stated aims & both were apparent. It has degenerated, fairly rapidly after Dylan was made a "2nd MC," into an average teen porn game, without realism, class, or a credible story. ...
Here you are acting as if Dylan story on its own has destroyed realism in AWAM, all in complete ignorance of the fact that AWAM already contains many unrealistic elements from the very beginning. Also, Again, it's just stupid to go for realism in a porn game. This will not work because one aspect of porn is to be unrealistic exaggerated.

No matter how you look at it, AWAM was planned from the beginning as a corruption game with incest/teen content. Therefore, as one of the basic settings in this game Dylan, Ellie and Patrica are sexually interested in Sophia. Therefore, there is a class full of students, a dance group, etc.. You're walking around here, writing something about degenerated "realism & class" while you completely ignore the setting and the game's content. I don't know why, but you're making the game into something it never was, and then badmouthing the supposed transformation. That is nonsensical.


... I have never suggested exclusion of any of the kinks or fetishes present in AWAM. What would have been good would have been a far better balance of the aforesaid kinks, along with an appeal to all ages. ...
Not every kink is something for everyone, but to act as if you can read the age from a kink I think is presumptuous and nonsensical. Also, your idea that a game should have something for everyone is completely absurd. This only leads to a developer getting caught up in too many tasks (and side stories ...), and then no one gets anything out of the game, because none of the stories will ever been told to the end. Sorry, but I think you are completely wrong.
 

tofhdns

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1. Developer: "I put realism first."
2. Critics: "Realism is collapsing."
3. Fanboys: "Why bother developers? Don't look for realism in games."

1. Early release of the game: "It is fresh because it does not target only teenage virgins."
2. Present: "This game is also being made only for teenage virgins after all."
3. Fanboys: "Why bother developers? There are no games made for all ages."
 
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Gogo1236

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:love: :love: :love: Progress Report Ver. 0.190. :love: :love: :love:(y)

90% - 85% - 0%
0% - 0%

Slowest things on planet earth from least to most-

That tortoise from rabbit v/s tortoise story.
Flash from Zootopia.
Snail.
THIS GAME'S PROGRESS BAR.

It is a fucking torture to see this progress bar. What's even the point? Why even bother? I would much rather have uncertainity whether or when the next update will come than seeing the progress bar like an idiot. Whatever we say about LP, he has got a shrewd way of thinking, much like a politician. Using people kinks and horniness against them. Give them enough to hang on, but not enough that they forget your value. Classic politics move.
 

XaGnard

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1. Developer: "I put realism first."
2. Critics: "Realism is collapsing."
3. Fanboys: "Why bother developers? Don't look for realism in games."

1. Early release of the game: "It is fresh because it does not target only teenage virgins."
2. Present: "This game is also being made only for teenage virgins after all."
3. Fanboys: "Why bother developers? There are no games made for all ages."
Funny, but unfortunately stupid, because there are no realistic porn games. Expecting a realistic porn game is about as stupid as ordering hot ice cream. It is a contradiction in terms.

So let's get this straight: Anyone who demands realism from L&P or other porn game developers really doesn't understand what makes this kind of game work. Realism would mean that ultimately nothing happens, except maybe that Sophia has sex with Liam. That is why I say ...

4. Normal Player: "Why not just play the game or if you don't like it find something else?"

To think that AWAM will change the principles of porn games is just silly. No matter what L&P or some critics here say. We had several years of slow burn now, at some point the mid game has to start. The hope should be that AWAM picks up even more speed over time. This whining about realism is just ridiculous.
 

ancienregimele

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Have you forgotten what you said?!? Here is a reminder.:



Here you are acting as if Dylan story on its own has destroyed realism in AWAM, all in complete ignorance of the fact that AWAM already contains many unrealistic elements from the very beginning. Also, Again, it's just stupid to go for realism in a porn game. This will not work because one aspect of porn is to be unrealistic exaggerated.

No matter how you look at it, AWAM was planned from the beginning as a corruption game with incest/teen content. Therefore, as one of the basic settings in this game Dylan, Ellie and Patrica are sexually interested in Sophia. Therefore, there is a class full of students, a dance group, etc.. You're walking around here, writing something about degenerated "realism & class" while you completely ignore the setting and the game's content. I don't know why, but you're making the game into something it never was, and then badmouthing the supposed transformation. That is nonsensical.




Not every kink is something for everyone, but to act as if you can read the age from a kink I think is presumptuous and nonsensical. Also, your idea that a game should have something for everyone is completely absurd. This only leads to a developer getting caught up in too many tasks (and side stories ...), and then no one gets anything out of the game, because none of the stories will ever been told to the end. Sorry, but I think you are completely wrong.
Enjoy your game. I'm done debating with you, not because I'm wrong but because it's become circular & thus unproductive. I've got good reasons for what I say but F95 is not the place for academic analyses or statistics, much less rough psychological profiling. Your manner of addressing the issues under discussion has become more inclined towards personal scorn, which I would not accept face-to-face, which I won't spend valuable moments countering time & again on line & which I tend to associate more with some of the immature sycophants on this thread, with their facepalming proclivities.

As for my POV, there was a game, or rather VN, that I enjoyed but which now only caters to a set clientele, to which I don't belong. Incest lovers & fans of average teen porn will be & are being well served....disregarding the time factor. It is surely a time for celebration for a good many fans. L&P won't go back to producing anything other than what is currently being slowly rolled out. There hasn't been anything to play for over a year for anyone not included in the above categories. Escapism & quality renders brought me to AWAM, by chance, over 5 years ago. That's a long enough time to be able to recognise a marked decline, combined with a radical change of emphasis.

That doesn't necessarily mean I'm going away, there'll still be some good renders, just nothing in any story arc outside of the Dev's chosen, (unappealing to me), limited paths.
 

tofhdns

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Funny, but unfortunately stupid, because there are no realistic porn games. Expecting a realistic porn game is about as stupid as ordering hot ice cream. It is a contradiction in terms.

So let's get this straight: Anyone who demands realism from L&P or other porn game developers really doesn't understand what makes this kind of game work. Realism would mean that ultimately nothing happens, except maybe that Sophia has sex with Liam. That is why I say ...

4. Normal Player: "Why not just play the game or if you don't like it find something else?"

To think that AWAM will change the principles of porn games is just silly. No matter what L&P or some critics here say. We had several years of slow burn now, at some point the mid game has to start. The hope should be that AWAM picks up even more speed over time. This whining about realism is just ridiculous.
Frustrating and annoying...


First, realism isn't something the players demand, it's something LP proclaims.
If you want to criticize realism, you can ask LP.

Second, realism in novels, movies, or games does not refer to the real reality.

It feels so bad to even have to have a discussion about this.

You are like a child who argues, "There is no sea in my house, so I'll do it my way" to someone who tells you, "Draw the sun above and the sea below."

I've already said that the slow pace of this game is because it doesn't adhere to "the developer said" realism.

I've already said that if LP planned the storyline for Dylan going into a nightclub, he shouldn't have set Dylan up as a loser in the first place.

A woman enters Sam's room, takes off her clothes, and masturbates, but Sam becomes impotent.

I'm not saying Sophia shouldn't have sex.

Quite the opposite.


You say, "No hot ice cream."

No one ever said wanted hot ice cream.

Dylan, who was a brat until yesterday, suddenly knows about restaurants, nightclubs, rooftop shelters, etc., and leading Sofia, is 'hot ice cream'.


Many people want Sophia and Dylan to move into Dylan's room after the nightclub and rooftop shelter.

If the events had taken place in Dylan's room after the bathtub scene from the beginning, it would have been simpler, faster and more realistic.

I feel like I'm sitting down with a little kid and saying, "The reality isn't like that. You'll find out when you grow up."


Have you never heard of realism in your life?
Teachers don't teach?
 
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