VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[tofhdns]

My goodness, how naive do you have to be to believe that Sophia can't have a past that doesn't match her current behavior.

The problem is that just because the storytelling hasn't revealed something yet doesn't automatically make it unfitting.

The Relism, which L&P has declared in the game description, refers in my understanding to deep characters and realitic graphig. He certainly didn't mean that the game should have a story that works in the real world.

How is 'realism' deep characters and realistic graphics?
No realistic characters and deep graphics?

In fact, realistic characters, realistic graphics, and realistic storytelling are 'realism'.
Please don't play with words.

In general, no one should forget that AWAM was never a real world realistic game.

this is what you said:
"My goodness, how naive do you have to be to believe that Sophia can't have a past that doesn't match her current behavior."

You accept or deny 'reality' according to your needs.

There are so many events that would not fit into the normal world, that it is almost ridiculous when someone demonizes the nightclub scene.

If you're talking about me, I'm not demonizing it, I'm saying it doesn't fit.
The reason, like you said, because "that would not fit into the normal world"

The fact that so little has happened in AWAM so far is not because nothing would ever happen, but only because less happens at the beginning of a game with curruption than at the end.

yes.
"that so little has happened in AWAM so far, or less happen." for six years.

The story elements around Dylan, Ellie, Sam, Patrica, etc. are essential core of this game. Remove that, and the game loses its value.

this is what you said:
"The problem is that just because the storytelling hasn't revealed something yet doesn't automatically make it unfitting."

the storytelling isn't fully revealed, how can you be so sure it "Remove that, and the game loses its value"?

You need to hold yourself to the same standard you hold on to other people.
And you have a bad habit of subtly twisting words or making puns.

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

este jogo ethis game is very good, but it doesn't even come close to the game Family Venture!

I don't know it, I'll try it and let you know

 

[rAmSiMaL]

There are a TON of events in this game so far that would be unlikely to happen in real life, especially involving a woman like Sophia, who is middle aged, well-educated, and seemingly an upstanding citizen. But surprising things happen in life all the time. My wife, who is generally pretty conservative, had her first sexual experience when she was 17 with a man in his 40s. Later in her life, especially now that we have daughters that age, she looks back and sees that experience as unsettling. But she didn't at the time and for many years after.

My reading of Sophia is that she is a very sexual person who let her sexuality get buried by society, her job, her family, etc. Now she is having a mid-life crisis, exacerbated by an inattentive husband. Mid-life crises are common, as is being tempted by and attracted to younger people, especially if they show interest in and attraction back. Sophia is trying to tamp down her sexual feelings, especially knowing they could get her in serious trouble, but (if you make filthy wife choices) she doesn't succeed. And while I'm confident that teachers do not routinely jack off their young students in sex ed classes, how many times do we read or hear about female teachers having sex with their teen/adolescent students?

If you've read Aristotle's views on suspension of disbelief, he makes a distinction between what is possible and what is probable. He advocates that creators should adhere to what is probable to avoid audiences feeling just what you are feeling. Normally I agree with you (and Aristotle). If an event is too improbable in a work of fiction, it feels contrived. But this is a porn game and if there wasn't any sex in it, then AWAM would be an abject failure. And yet, because her actions and character type are totally possible (we have many examples in real life) I find AWAM realistic enough to be wonderfully erotic.

Speaking about reality and if teachers could have sex with students we have a great example… that of the president of France Emmanuel Macron. He is married to his high school teacher

 

[Golden Trump]

Speaking about reality and if teachers could have sex with students we have a great example… that of the president of France Emmanuel Macron. He is married to his high school teacher

So she cheated her husband with whom she had three kids to go sleep with a 15 year old and then left him to marry the kid after he grew up. I don't know if it is a love story or a grooming story cuz reverse the roles and it sounds fkin horrible.


Also a good plot for a AVN.

 

[rAmSiMaL]

Her 40th birthday is coming… so…

Spoiler: A task for Sophia!

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[lockerxx]

Her 40th birthday is coming… so…

Spoiler: A task for Sophia!

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sophie is 37

 

[Deleted member 3218369]

sophie is 37

But its been almost 6 years so she is 43

 

[lockerxx]

But its been almost 6 years so she is 43

and ellie is 24 then lol and the shota boys are 18 too

 

[joelurmel]

You are all going too far by judging...
It's just forum for discussing about a game, not a stupid politic tribune or whatever else where you can lining anyone just by pleasure or because you have not a boner...

 

[rAmSiMaL]

sophie is 37

She’s actually 38 but after v 0.185 he’s going to change that to 39 because during the photoshoot she’s presented as 19 years old and the numbers do not add up with Ellie’s age…

 

[rAmSiMaL]

BTW will we still have 2 hetero sex scenes on PD16?
Because I was thinking one of the 2 will be a story how Sophia lost her virginity-the last update wasn't suppose to have that story,but something changed the dev mind.
Or the only possible on PD16 Dylan sex scene-Dylan/Emma.All other LI for Dylan are out of question for PD16.

No, Sophia narrating her first time experience is not the 1st hetero scene described by LP. A few months ago I asked him about these 2 hetero scenes and he replied…

Spoiler: LP reply - 1st hetero

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[Radoslaw Wolf]

Sorry fellas i can't really answer, or even read your theories about quantum physics, i really don't have time for that but keep posting and hating , so whenever i stop by i find something worth facepalming

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[Wbwbd85]

No, Sophia narrating her first time experience is not the 1st hetero scene described by LP. A few months ago I asked him about these 2 hetero scenes and he replied…

Spoiler: LP reply - 1st hetero

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Please let lp know that if Sophia is not having sex then it doesn't count. We are here to watch Sophia get her shit pushed in. Not to watch Dylan fuck his sisters friends. Or adien have a 3some with Jennifer and Andre.

 

[ihl86]

The Sophia with values and frame, would never fuck her friends dad. Im not talking about her as a virgin, or a slut, or that shit conversation, or having her premarital sex or not. We are talking about having dates and sex with your friends DAD, that is something the Sophia we knew wouldnt had done, so either the S1 Sophia was a fraud and we are angy on her and feel betrayed by the author because he made us lost our time, or the flashback was a stupid mistake because he improvised something to force the story forward and didn't worked.

I think I'm missing something. When was this flashback where she had sex with her friends dad?
I know I sometimes get bored by L&P's writing and skip a few lines here and there but I don't think I would have missed this.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

I think I'm missing something. When was this flashback where she had sex with her friends dad?
I know I sometimes get bored by L&P's writing and skip a few lines here and there but I don't think I would have missed this.

If you play the scene again (Sophia/Dylan) through the replay feature, you should be able to see it.

 

[Old Dog]

I think it's important that we all keep it fair, and not expect too much from a porn game. Even with some really major oddities (like Aiden, and the gangster scene with the pistol, etc.), AWAM story is still much better than almost all other games here. Especially considering the core characters (like Dylan, Ellie, Sam, Patrica, etc.), L&P has done a good job of using the slow burn to portray characteristics and motivation not only of Sophia, but also the people she interacts with most. Now the question remains whether L&P will also succeed in bringing these characters through a progression in an exciting and comprehensible way. So far I like L&P's approach in this respect (apart from some side stories and Aiden). At the same time, it has to be said that the story is just beginning to unfold and the difficult part is yet to come.

Perhaps it makes sense to illustrate this with a concrete example. I played through "HerDesire" as an example for a game with similar setting as AWAM, and here I could see quite clearly how big the differences in quality really is (not only in terms of graphics). HerDesire virtually rushes through the story and loses all the excitement and possible entanglements that would make up a good story. An example of this is Parker, who in this game is the equivalent to Dylan, and in one scene kisses his mother while her husband interrupts them without noticing anything. At first glance, the whole event sounds like it could have been written by L&P (who also prefers this kind of interruption). But since all the characters in this game go along with everything at every opportunity, without even the slightest doubt, it seems downright artificial that in this situation, the mother would have to keep something secret. The game is so shallow that it doesn't even allow for any excitement. It is more or less a corruption story without any corruption and characteers who all are emotionless. If you compare AWAM with something like this, which is still above the average of what others deliver here, it becomes clear pretty quickly how good AWAM is (at least fo far).

It is good in some aspects but with such a large cast of characters and branching drags it down as people may have to wait years to see there favorite character again.
Sophia was portraid as far too innocent from the start and so far L&P has used band aids to try and fix the problems

 

[Lord_Xanatos]

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It's nice you are making progress...and this coming release has everyone drooling to find out what happens during the big date. Problem is what comes next after the date.

As I see it you are getting everything built up to "big moments," but as I see it, you have a ton of other content to develop to flesh in and perhaps other big moments.

There is the Patrica arch...

The Ellie arch and that one has so many branches to cover. Like does she get with Dylan which would take several updates to develop the storyline to where that is even possible...

The there are the side jobs of working as a tutor and or retirement worker...

And before I finish there are a host of "other" side adventures. There still are the Amber/Dylan possibilities... the household maid... The hair stylist (that one you could easily kind of push off and not bother... Dylan and a couple of other teen girls...Not even sure I'd even bother with the school janitor route but it's a possibility. And that is just the tip of the iceberg of subplots active... god forgive we have more Liam nonsense

 

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