VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[rodneyeatme]

Well maybe then the Patreons should make the game? I don't care about the wishes or demands of Patreons or players. There is enough of ruined games out there that the "mob" have helped trainwreck. I hope the dev got enough integrity to stick to his guns and make the game he set out to make, without give in to the demands of the knob polishing retard squad.

Cash rules everything around me..

The guy doesn't sound happy about it, but it is clear his patrons will not allow him to develop Dual Family II - Nonerotic Boogaloo. You may be able to ignore the will of his patrons with your hoping and retards and all that, but it appears the dev is no in that position.

(unless of course you're making a yiff game)

This is hilarious. And true.

 

[Viatovic]

Losing some patrons now would suit him better than caving in to mob-pressure.
A pointless sex-scene in the next update is not gonna be enough, because it never is.
Every single update in every single game has some people complaining about how "short" it is, how "bullshit" it is...
But these games are still growing, so this "dog" doesn't bite, but loves to bark.

He needs to be better cutting his scenes, maybe even have someone working with him so they can tell him "enough is enough".
But if he splits the days, if every month we get an update... there would be no problems.
Whining and crying? Always...

 

[Tiggie]

So let's see. The only dangerous parts in the city are chinatown and the predominately black and Latino neighborhoods, which are full of gang wars and crack whores, and "high class white woman" need to stay away.

Why the fuck does every porn game have to be racist AF?

 

[Ignazzio]

Cuz life is racist. Such neighborhoods exist and can be dangerous for such women. And for man as well to be honest. Common sense is not a racism. There are plenty of dangerous people on this planet regardless of their race but some groups are more common so they became a form of cliche.

 

[stoper]

A lot of people who complain about the "Good wife" part seem to keep suggesting that there at least be some content with the husband, but doesn't that totally defeat the purpose of the overarching plot? The whole reason that there are supposed to be other temptations there is largely because the MC can never get anything from her husband, because he's too busy/stressed, isn't in the mood, is away, etc. I understand that many want more content from one of the paths available, but the corruption path doesn't really work or fit the premise if you give the wife lots of sex in the "good wife" one. If she can get sex from her husband and thus isn't sexually frustrated, for her to be going after these other options changes her character entirely and does so in a way that just makes her a generic slut instead of the rather refreshing character she currently is that goes against the normal MC typing.

That's why you have choices. Making the Good Wife choices can please the husband, make him pay more attention to his wife and therefore lead to more intimacy between the two. While making the Slut choices can irritate him and push him away. Also, a little bit of sexual intercourse every now and then doesn't mean a healthy and satisfying sexual life. A woman who wants a touch of excitement and adventure in her life is not necessarily a slut.
And how is this "frustrated wife" trope refreshing exactly? 90% of the games with female protagonist follow the same path - a husband/boyfriend who's pretty much useless and incapable to satisfy his wife and a woman who's shy and timid but her partner's negligence lead her to cheating.

So let's see. The only dangerous parts in the city are chinatown and the predominately black and Latino neighborhoods, which are full of gang wars and crack whores, and "high class white woman" need to stay away.

Why the fuck does every porn game have to be racist AF?

I agree with @Ignazzio , it does sound racist when you put it that way, but in the western world the neighborhoods with predominant minority populations are much more dangerous than the places where the rich folk live. It's how the world is, mate.

 

[lesbiaN7ncest]

I get what you're saying, if the husband is satisfying her that would be no reason for her to fall for other temptations, but that's why if we are playing as a good wife, we need the husband doing his part with exclusive sex only available for the good wife path, and on the bad wife path let the husband neglect her.

That doesn't make any sense though. You say that you get what I'm saying, but what you say tells me that you don't. Circumstances and character(s) shouldn't just magically change based on the type of playthrough like that. There's a difference between a story changing based on your actions/choices and characters magically turning on a switch because they detect the player is going down a particular path. One is natural, the other is forced contrivance. You're essentially saying that the husband's character should change completely based not on actual natural circumstances and as a reaction to natural events, but to the player --not the MC, but the player, i.e. you-- choosing whether to go one way or the other. The husband has to always be a holdout or it simply doesn't work. Because otherwise you just be a good wife and he's suddenly a husband satisfying your needs and the corruption path makes no sense, especially when this is a game where it could be possible to play to varying degrees and maybe switch from one path to another, mix it up, etc.

The best way to give the good wife stuff some content would probably be some high quality alone time renders. Or perhaps even better, have her not just having some alone time, but show us what she's imagining during said alone time. Have her fantasizing about having passionate sex with her husband, but not actually doing it. That way you get some actual content for being a good wife, but you don't actually have her be satisfied by her husband and he's still a hold-out.

There. I've solved the problem without it messing up the whole premise and interfering with the corruption path.

 

[Viatovic]

I still don't understand @stoper's crusade against corruption games aka NTR.
I don't see how the wife choosing not to stray is gonna fix the inherent problems in their marriage.

The narrative here is that they are a couple with communication problems.
She's not a prude per se... the problem is that she just reachs out to him by having sex.
She equals sex with the husband, with their relationship... that's why she's so weird about being nude.
Sharing her body would mean that her crumbling relationship means nothing.
IF she can reach out to other people, to stablish connections... then the one she has with her husband is not special.

So, if she doesn't cheat... you are PUNISHING her to live an ugly, sad and lone marriage.
But... good wife points should have some meaning.
So let's say... she cheats, gets caught, husband and wife have to discuss this... if your GWP are X, they go to therapy, they try for another baby... and you get the happy ending you seem to crave so damn much.
If the GWP are not X, maybe they just divorce... maybe such divorce is a tsunami in their lifes... alienating their children, friends...

But again, a good wife path is a stupid idea.

 

[Tiggie]

Cuz life is racist. Such neighborhoods exist and can be dangerous for such women. And for man as well to be honest. Common sense is not a racism. There are plenty of dangerous people on this planet regardless of their race but some groups are more common so they became a form of cliche.

I was going to ignore this so as not to derail the thread, but the issue is actually tied into a more general problem i think the game has. (only the beginning bit is a bout race, i promise)

First of all, the vast majority of all crimes are committed by someone of the same race as the victim. Particularly violent crimes. Staying safe in a built up urban area is really a matter of staying away from dangerous areas, which can be predominantly populated by any race and is correlated more closely with other factors, and framing it as "high class white woman" staying away from minority neighborhoods is pretty blatantly racist.

But to the point of it being a problem with the game... what did that scene even have to do with anything? What purpose in the story or character development did it serve? Why did it have to be in the game? Like, did we need to be taught there are dangerous areas in big cities?

A lot of people are complaining about how slow the game is and those complaints are at least partially legit. Not everything has to be sex porn sex, and there's a lot of value in buildup, but there's a ton of renders and dialogue and whole conversations and scenes in this game that are irrelevant to anything and just go nowhere.

Another example is the drive from the airport to the new house. The game would have benefited from that scene being smaller by half at least. The school situation for the kids had already been explained in detail, and yet here we are having it reiterated to Carl. Why do we need to hear this again? Why do we need to hear that Carl went to that school, knows people there, played football there, etc. Why do we need to be told there's a big cafeteria, two pools, etc. Then the petting zoo, the ponies, cougar endangerment status, Carl continuing to be a boastful pompous jerk (that's very well established by now), Liam making snide comments, Sophia getting annoyed... it just kept going and going. It's superfluous minutiae. Boring and pointless. I found that many of the scenes suffered from this kind of thing to one extend or another.

If you take out all this filler, suddenly the bragging point of there being so much content in each version is kinda thrown out the window. I feel like the dev sorta of confused adding 'realistic content', which is really just unimportant details bogging everything down, and a lot of it, with bringing 'quality' and 'depth'. They could really use the help of an editor, as well as more focus on content that actually serves some relevant purpose to the characters, the story, and in the genre.

 

[Madkunta]

So a lot of fluff and not a lot of content in my opinion. Still think it's the best current new game out, and the developer is actually putting in work unlike a lot of other games with longer releases (cough urban voyeur).

 

[Sarahzero]

I mean sure you get some scenes with the husband maybe solo masturbation and that's it. That is the good path what more would you have on a good path.

Dont know. That is the problem in mostly every game on this site, that the good path feels kinda small and unsatisfying. One Idea would be that the MC have threesomes with the husband and person X or that husband and MC get kinkier and just not have the standard sex in bathroom and bed.

 

[Julsaid]

Two updates - 93 pages.

We discuss so many things that we are now complaining about racism.
I can see the debates in page 200 already.

 

[stoper]

...Circumstances and character(s) shouldn't just magically change based on the type of playthrough like that. There's a difference between a story changing based on your actions/choices and characters magically turning on a switch because they detect the player is going down a particular path. One is natural, the other is forced contrivance. You're essentially saying that the husband's character should change completely based not on actual natural circumstances and as a reaction to natural events, but to the player --not the MC, but the player, i.e. you-- choosing whether to go one way or the other. The husband has to always be a holdout or it simply doesn't work. Because otherwise you just be a good wife and he's suddenly a husband satisfying your needs and the corruption path makes no sense, especially when this is a game where it could be possible to play to varying degrees and maybe switch from one path to another, mix it up, etc...

You have a point if it feels artificial. Say, if she flirts with a guy on the street, the husband (without knowing any of this) is not coming home that night, if she doesn't flirt he's there on cue. That's stupid.
But it can also be done right. Spending time with him in the park during lunch can lead to them making plans for the night. A Filthy guitar session with the neighbor kid makes her think about him and ashamed to talk about what happened, Good Wife choices during that event can lead to her performing for her husband in the evening which could lead to some intimacy ("Honey, let me show you what I learned today", she plays a small part of their favorite song and he forgets his work issues for a moment).
I don't know what relationships have you had in your life, but a nice word and a warm smile can do magic for your partner's disposition for the night. Try it next time

@Viatovic, again, mate, the Good Wife path is not MY IDEA. The author of the game made it and talked about it. I'm just brainstorming how it can be done well.
And where did you came up with this ides that I'm against NTR? I like NTR content.
You example with the couple therapy is a good one, but it doesn't solve the problem with the Good Wife path lacking juicy content. In all these games all you do with the good choices is skip scenes. Good Girl Gone Bad is the only one that does it well.

 

[gramaton]

dev just should stop to listen this fap_addict fa_ktards. just do what he must to do, to give us one the best adult-games so far! slow characters development is what this genre needed like air. fkn tired of fkn "5 min_gameplay_suck_all_cocks_and_fucks_all_siblings_sluts" games.

 

[lesbiaN7ncest]

@stoper

That's why I think the MC fantasizing on the "Good Wife" path is one of the best ways to go. It means you can have the content for people that want it on that route, but because it's merely the MC's imagination and didn't really happen it still doesn't interfere with the corruption side of the game and leaves the wife still unfulfilled when it comes to a lack of intimacy with another person. Your idea of having some more romantic moments, rather than sexual ones is good too. I actually therefore think that a combination of both concepts could do wonders for this game.

Perhaps the couple manage to have at least a few more romantic moments, but the MC still feels sexually frustrated because while she still gets some romance and her husband is kind to her, she's horny and that still isn't being taken care of? So she pleasures herself while imagining her husband is doing things to her, but in the end it's not really happening due to that lack of contact with another that she also really seeks. So the whole thing becomes about whether she can get through a dry period before any who manage to get rewarded by some later-game real content.

 

[Melkai]

Seriously guys if you want to masturbate quick, then go on videoporn host such as pornhub, xhamster or etc. Now we will receive oral, anal, vaginal, lesbian and "blacked" gang bang version in the next update from the words of dev. Thats to rush IMHO

 

[lockhear]

gang bang version in the next update

Drugs are bad, ok mate?

 

[Kucakingkai1991]

Fucking love this game i nuted 6 times in a 6hrs time very nice 10/10

 

[AKA101]

When you like an adult game where you have't even seen bobs but still enjoyed it. That's a good game and hope developer takes it slowly like this.

 

[titokm10]

When you like an adult game where you haven't even seen boobs but still enjoyed it. That's a good game and hope developer takes it slowly like this.

if you don't pay for it it's great, paying $30 a month or a bit less for a cocktease update every 3 months its not good for your pocket mate. The reality is people will stop supporting if the action doesn't start soon because its too expensive and theyYgonna feel like they are being ripped off,that music lesson crap didn't had to be so long, no matter how perfect you want your game to be. The gym scene was great though i have to admit. I'm not against this game i really like it.

 

[Joshua Tree]

if you don't pay for it it's great, paying $30 a month or a bit less for a cocktease update every 3 months its not good for your pocket mate. The reality is people will stop supporting if the action doesn't start soon because its too expensive and theyYgonna feel like they are being ripped off,that music lesson crap didn't had to be so long, no matter how perfect you want your game to be. The gym scene was great though i have to admit. I'm not against this game i really like it.

Ever thought about there is people that pay for the very same reason he likes the game? The "if no more boobs and pussy people will stop pledge" is kinda silly, because people are pledging at great length of what they seen so far. And tbh "the action" as you put it, have started, its just not delivered in the state of full frontal and up the shit shute...