VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.205] [Lust & Passion]

[Notretsam]

The twist was interesting but am not a fan of it because I just don't see how Sophia would forgive Dylan for it, nevermind actually having sex with Dylan after he did that to her.

Am not completely against it, as it's a good twist and part of the risk of adding a really good twist is that not everyone will agree but you really need to be willing to fully commit to it from the get go, seems L&P wasn't fully committed to it but if most of his patreons are being negative about it, then yeah he should change it.

I personally want to see the full 12 tasks as I want to see how far Sophia go and what else she is willing to do. I always thought the further she goes, the more likely she will have sex with Dylan.

However, I must admit, if the twist is kept and somehow Sophia finds a way to get past it, then it could open up possibilities we never thought we see, like 3somes, gangbangs etc. The only way I can see her forgiven is she takes it as a compliment, that they found her so attractive they were willing to conspire just to see her naked etc. So if she thinks that, she be might be willing to eventually go much further than we ever thought.

Is one thing though, those of us that don't play the boarding school route never knew of twist in the last update, L&P really should have something in the shower scene with Dylan thinking about what he asked Aiden to do.

 

[sobstorydev_memes]

I am usually just an observer here and love to read the exchanges of ideas and opinions about AWAM. I have waited for this statement before I can share my thoughts about his work practices. A little background on myself: I am a graphic and instructional designer working with and for multiple corporations. I am a part of a team that develops online gamified training materials that include animations and sometimes 3D CGI depending on client requirements.

All I can see is an individual who doesn't like and doesn't want to work in a team. The statement is just a very long blabber and he probably has not heard or doesn't want to utilize storyboarding and brainstorming which can very much solve all of his worries about bad renders that do not meet his 'vision'. I know, based from experience, that planning, storyboarding and brainstorming takes probably the longest time especially for a VN but as soon as everything is laid out, development will take a speed jump.

There are tasks that he can definitely delegate to another and probably more experienced graphic artist. Editing the renders in PS can be done by someone else and he just needs to overseer, check for quality and provide feedback for any revisions. This is while he is creating unfinished scenes that he would prefer to develop on his own. Creating sprites and the backgrounds can be done by someone else as well while he takes on the development of the characters.

You see, adding 1 or 2 extra heads to AWAM's development will not hurt the VN's over-all quality. It will speed development time and may even improve with proper guidance.

I don't want to add this but I also sense that L&P doesn't want to split the money or pay someone else. He wants everything for himself.

creepy

 

[Hlextor]

When you remove the twist how will this affect the story and what other things may you have to change as well?
I enjoyed the twist once I thought it over.
So I guess that we go back to Dylan was bullied.

I agree with you. It was such a nice twist. So, why remove it?

The twist was interesting but am not a fan of it because I just don't see how Sophia would forgive Dylan for it, nevermind actually having sex with Dylan after he did that to her.

Am not completely against it, as it's a good twist and part of the risk of adding a really good twist is that not everyone will agree but you really need to be willing to fully commit to it from the get go, seems L&P wasn't fully committed to it but if most of his patreons are being negative about it, then yeah he should change it.

I personally want to see the full 12 tasks as I want to see how far Sophia go and what else she is willing to do. I always thought the further she goes, the more likely she will have sex with Dylan.

However, I must admit, if the twist is kept and somehow Sophia finds a way to get past it, then it could open up possibilities we never thought we see, like 3somes, gangbangs etc. The only way I can see her forgiven is she takes it as a compliment, that they found her so attractive they were willing to conspire just to see her naked etc. So if she thinks that, she be might be willing to eventually go much further than we ever thought.

Is one thing though, those of us that don't play the boarding school route never knew of twist in the last update, L&P really should have something in the shower scene with Dylan thinking about what he asked Aiden to do.

The reason for the twist is simply that there are some trolls on the way who consciously or unconsciously misinterpret Dylan's character as a weakling, as a stupid horny boy.

This has caused L&P to disprove this with the twist. A big mistake in my opinion. If Dylan really were that weak, he would not be number 1 in the survey of all protagonists. The fact that the deal destroyed a relationship between Sophia and Dylan should also be clear to all Dylan haters.
A romantic relationship as many of us would like with Sophia cannot exist like this because the basis of trust has been destroyed.

 

[Scarlet56]

Maybe Liam, seeing how Sophia acts with Morello's brother, he will find that all this goes too far and intervene.
Morello's plan is going to screw up, he'll be mad at Liam.
Back at the casino, Morello will say, Sophia is going to play the piano in this casino. You messed up everything.

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

Maybe Liam, seeing how Sophia acts with Morello's brother, he will find that all this goes too far and intervene.
Morello's plan is going to screw up, he'll be mad at Liam.
Back at the casino, Morello will say, Sophia is going to play the piano in this casino. You messed up everything.

I hope there is the option: go / not go with liam

otherwise it wouldn't make sense in the corruption story

 

[Notretsam]

really hoping there be an option where we can decide to divorce and kick Liam out of the house.

 

[Notretsam]

The reason for the twist is simply that there are some trolls on the way who consciously or unconsciously misinterpret Dylan's character as a weakling, as a stupid horny boy.

This has caused L&P to disprove this with the twist. A big mistake in my opinion. If Dylan really were that weak, he would not be number 1 in the survey of all protagonists. The fact that the deal destroyed a relationship between Sophia and Dylan should also be clear to all Dylan haters.
A romantic relationship as many of us would like with Sophia cannot exist like this because the basis of trust has been destroyed.

Got to be honest but I never considered Dylan weak, especially since his martial art instructor said he was surprised with how quick Dylan was to pick things up.

I do think L&P should stick to the twist if that is what he wants but I assume a lot of patreons where the ones complaining as well.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

really hoping there be an option where we can decide to divorce and kick Liam out of the house.

I like your thinking. Who knows may you can have Sofia turn down Morello before they get to prison the next day or decline any offer to with the brother when they meet. Oh no Liam, what are you going to do now?

 

[Old Dog]

really hoping there be an option where we can decide to divorce and kick Liam out of the house.

From what L&P has written in the past I really don't see it happening unless it happens near he end of the game.

 

[Old Dog]

Got to be honest but I never considered Dylan weak, especially since his martial art instructor said he was surprised with how quick Dylan was to pick things up.

I do think L&P should stick to the twist if that is what he wants but I assume a lot of patreons where the ones complaining as well.

By the patron posts,not alot of people have done the boarding route and those that have want the twist to stay and they echo what you have said.If he wants the twist in game keep it in.Some have even called for a vote on it.

 

[Lord_Xanatos]

I like your thinking. Who knows may you can have Sofia turn down Morello before they get to prison the next day or decline any offer to with the brother when they meet. Oh no Liam, what are you going to do now?

I would like that too. The less Liam in my playthrough the better hehehe.

From what L&P has written in the past I really don't see it happening unless it happens near he end of the game.

Possibly, maybe if it happens it's because of how much distance they've had since arriving at San Alejo, a kiss here and there from time to time fine, but by player's choice, no more sex for them since their arrival to San Alejo, that's what I've been doing in my playthrough, avoiding any Good Wife options as much as I can. It could be by the end of the game according to how much filthy points, points with the other characters, and what Sophia has been doing with them that could work to become more distant with Liam, if not a divorce then at least more detachment between them.

If Dylan really were that weak, he would not be number 1 in the survey of all protagonists.

I agree. And it's not exactly weakness when you know you're outnumbered and not prepared to fight them all in the boarding school branch, as for the self-defense lessons, he won't be weak either because now he is training and preparing in case he has to fight more than just Aiden.

 

[Hlextor]

Got to be honest but I never considered Dylan weak, especially since his martial art instructor said he was surprised with how quick Dylan was to pick things up.

I do think L&P should stick to the twist if that is what he wants but I assume a lot of patreons where the ones complaining as well.

Many of us do not see him that way either. Only L&P had to justify itself to Dylan at some point in the past. Maybe the Twist was born here. I'm also against a desired change of the story in principle. It is his story, his game. But here the deal is a slap in the face for all Dylan fans. Maybe he should make it eligible. Then the players who like the twist should be able to play it.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Many of us do not see him that way either. Only L&P had to justify itself to Dylan at some point in the past. Maybe the Twist was born here. I'm also against a desired change of the story in principle. It is his story, his game. But here the deal is a slap in the face for all Dylan fans. Maybe he should make it eligible. Then the players who like the twist should be able to play it.

I agree, but he did make the GTA reference about you may not like the scene but you going to have to play through it. So if the vote goes into play and it's decided to keep it in, could he or would he make it eligible?

 

[Hlextor]

I agree, but he did make the GTA reference about you may not like the scene but you going to have to play through it. So if the vote goes into play and it's decided to keep it in, could he or would he make it eligible?

What GTA? I don’t know GTA

 

[Notretsam]

GTA= Grand Theft Auto

 

[Notretsam]

End of the day, the 12 tasks is my fave part of the game, so I want it to keep going all the way to the 12th task, I don't mind if Dylan put Aiden up to it, as long as the tasks continue.

I prefer Sophia with the younger guys, not much interested in the older guys (Liam, Morella, MR Bennett, Janitor, Postman, moving guys). I actually wish L&P just settle all the stuff with them and we move on, never to see them again.

I don't mind the lesbian stuff but did think Alyssa asking her to try out the Sybian was weird and way to forward for that point in their friendship.

 

[DrDougDoesDOS]

Well on the 12 Task Route Aiden can blackmail both Sophia and Dylan with this revelation, so it's on Dylan to fix what he's done before Sophia gets more humiliation. If Aiden tells Sophia what Dylan did after 2, 3 or 4 Tasks she'll be grounding Dylan for life if he's lucky. I would Imagine if she finds out any later Dylan will be off to an Institute never mind Boarding

 

[Old Dog]

Well on the 12 Task Route Aiden can blackmail both Sophia and Dylan with this revelation, so it's on Dylan to fix what he's done before Sophia gets more humiliation. If Aiden tells Sophia what Dylan did after 2, 3 or 4 Tasks she'll be grounding Dylan for life if he's lucky. I would Imagine if she finds out any later Dylan will be off to an Institute never mind Boarding

I agree that it is Dylan who has to fix what he has done and he must take the majority of the blame.,but from the 2nd task it is all Aiden not Dylan.So while Dylan is at fault and must take some responsibility for the tasks that Aiden added on,Dylan's crazy scheme did start all of this.
A lot may depend on the data that Dylan offered to get Aiden,is it to do with school or another teacher?

 

[DrDougDoesDOS]

Well there is a way for Dylan to go from Zero to Hero without Fists or Guns... But he'll probably have half of San Alejo's Gangsters after him if it goes wrong

 

[Old Dog]

Well there is a way for Dylan to go from Zero to Hero without Fists or Guns... But he'll probably have half of San Alejo's Gangsters after him if it goes wrong

Dylan fights Aiden and maybe loses the fight and Sophia gets really pissed at Dylan.
Dylan shoots Aiden and is sent down so now Sophia can visit Morello's brother and Dylan at the same time and still be very very pissed at Dylan
Sophia does all the tasks for Aiden and Dylan gets very pissed.
Sophia/Dylan fight and both get very pissed while Liam stands there looking confused and Ellie videos the whole episode while eating popcorn intending to upload the video to youtube later