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Ellie is only a bitch to Dylan, for some reason we'll presumably find out in the bonus storyline. But I imagine it's because he's a creepy perv, which has been well established since the Introduction. Dylan doesn't have the skill in manipulation to get revenge on Ellie and get away with it.

Dylan isn't manipulative. He just tries because he doesn't have the balls to do things properly. Some call it him just being shy, but he's doing himself a disservice. Just look at Jules. She admits she wants to sleep with Sophia, ends up frenching her in the backyard, getting Sophia wet in the process, and Sophia ends up playing with Jules' boobs at the end "downright devouring them with her eyes"

Whereas Ellie gets Jules to admit she wants Sophia, leading to the scene above, afterwards telling Sophia she wants to do the same, and the very next morning she'll get the opportunity. That's how you manipulate someone to get what you want. And Ellie gets away with it, because everyone has won in the process.

Dylan just comes off as weird, even to Sophia. If the Twist wasn't going to be removed, he almost showed the balls. But even then, he passes what he does off as him trying to rescue Sophia from a mid-life crisis, which no-one believes, and Aiden says as much. Hence Sophia wanting to set Dylan up with a girlfriend.
Faking a threat of daily beatings to get her to dress sexily sounds like manipulation to me.
 

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I might sound like a broken record at this point but...

any gangbang scenes in it yet?
There's not even sex scenes in the Filthy route yet, and wont be for years. So no, and there might not ever be.

Faking a threat of daily beatings to get her to dress sexily sounds like manipulation to me.
1) That's going to be removed in the upcoming updates like it never happened
2) We only find that out because he failed at the manipulation, so not manipulative, only trying to be.
 

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There's not even sex scenes in the Filthy route yet, and wont be for years. So no, and there might not ever be.


1) That's going to be removed in the upcoming updates like it never happened
2) We only find that out because he failed at the manipulation, so not manipulative, only trying to be.
geez louise.
 

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Ellie is only a bitch to Dylan, for some reason we'll presumably find out in the bonus storyline. But I imagine it's because he's a creepy perv, which has been well established since the Introduction. Dylan doesn't have the skill in manipulation to get revenge on Ellie and get away with it.
Most of the stuff he's done has been innocent or accidental like when he glanced down her blouse in the beginning when they were in the car. He's just shy and inexperienced around women. She went off on him like he physically assaulted her. She often goes way out of bounds like with the viagra incident. She didn't even take it seriously that she could have hurt him like Sophia said. She seems accustomed to doing whatever she wants and getting away with it and seems to enjoy tormenting Dylan for no reason other than he's the youngest. She's a bitch to everyone when she wants to get her way.
 
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Most of the stuff he's done has been innocent or accidental like when he glanced down her blouse in the beginning when they were in the car. He's just shy and inexperienced around women. She went off on him like he physically assaulted her. She often goes way out of bounds like with the viagra incident. She didn't even take it seriously that she could have hurt him like Sophia said. She seems accustomed to doing whatever she wants and getting away with it and seems to enjoy tormenting Dylan for no reason other than he's the youngest. She's a bitch to everyone when she wants to get her way.
If it was all that innocent and accidental, why does Sophia wear a one-piece specifically when Dylan is around? Because he stares often enough for even Sophia to know it's a problem. Besides, if he isn't a creepy perv, explain why in the Yoga event he creeps around perving on the women. And how that is innocent or accidental.

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In the world of AWAM, Dylan has never struck me as significantly more perverted than anyone else- he's just not smooth about it at all. He's inexperienced, clumsy, and blunt, but his goals are the same as nearly everyone else around Sophia. Now, in real life he would be a giant creep, but so would everyone in this game. I actually think Patricia is the bigger creep. Unlike Dylan who you can chalk up to youth and inexperience, Patricia can be very aggressive. And don't even get me started on Claire. I thought her actions at the Yoga event were so over the top that I don't think Sophia would have anything more to do with her.

All that said, it's just a game so I don't try to take it too seriously. I don't believe that Dylan, Elle's, Patricia, or Sophia's actions are in any way appropriate when measured by real world ethics, but this is a game so I can suspend my disbelief. Personally, I had wanted to go the GW path because it seemed the most internally consistent with Sophia's goals, but 90% of the content is on the Filthy Path so I decided to just sit back and have fun.

I'm sorry if this has been repeated a million times; but what exactly is this "twist" with Dylan that everyone is so upset about? I haven't played the boarding school path (I only have one save going right now) and I haven't seen a direct confirmation of what exactly happens that has pissed off so many players. If it's already been posted in great detail in one post, please point me in the right direction.
 
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If it was all that innocent and accidental, why does Sophia wear a one-piece specifically when Dylan is around? Because he stares often enough for even Sophia to know it's a problem. Besides, if he isn't a creepy perv, explain why in the Yoga event he creeps around perving on the women. And how that is innocent or accidental.

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Sophia comes off as very strict and prudish in the beginning. She is afraid to show any hint of sexuality especially when around her son. It has nothing to do with Dylan being a "perv". During the yoga event we get to see Dylan getting more confident talking to women and being around them. As for peeping on the women in the shower, so what? It was the one time he got the chance to see a woman totally nude and he didn't want to pass it up. One incident and you make him out to be some kind of raging pervert stalking women and accosting them. He is just a shy kid learning about women the best way he can. As a young boy sometimes his hormones will get the best of him but he's no pervert. Sheesh :rolleyes:
 

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I'm sorry if this has been repeated a million times; but what exactly is this "twist" with Dylan that everyone is so upset about? I haven't played the boarding school path (I only have one save going right now) and I haven't seen a direct confirmation of what exactly happens that has pissed off so many players. If it's already been posted in great detail in one post, please point me in the right direction.
the big twist is that dylan and zack wasn´t bullied by aiden it was a deal.he pretend to bullied them and he ask sophie to wear more sexy clothes.:FacePalm:
and dylan got no idea about the 12 tasks:FacePalm::FacePalm::FacePalm:
 
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the big twist is that dylan and zack wasn´t bullied by aiden it was a deal.he pretend to bullied them and he ask sophie to wear more sexy clothes.:FacePalm:
Wait...so Aiden never bullied them? It was just a ploy by Aiden to get Sophia to wear sexy clothes?
 

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Ok, I can see why this twist has been so controversial. The twist doesn't make any sense, it's just dumb. I can see Dylan and Sam hatching a scheme to try and get Sophia to dress sexier, but Dylan approaching Aiden doesn't make any sense to me. He doesn't know the guy, and why would he approach a total stranger with a plan to get his mom to dress sexy? Yeah, this plot point doesn't work. L&P seems like he's done a pretty good job so far with developing the plot, but this seems like a miss to me.

Edit- reading those subtitles really drives home how badly L&P needs an English proof reader.
 

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Sophia comes off as very strict and prudish in the beginning. She is afraid to show any hint of sexuality especially when around her son. It has nothing to do with Dylan being a "perv". During the yoga event we get to see Dylan getting more confident talking to women and being around them. As for peeping on the women in the shower, so what? It was the one time he got the chance to see a woman totally nude and he didn't want to pass it up. One incident and you make him out to be some kind of raging pervert stalking women and accosting them. He is just a shy kid learning about women the best way he can. As a young boy sometimes his hormones will get the best of him but he's no pervert. Sheesh :rolleyes:
The problem for me with Dylan is not really the peeping, as you said most of the characters have done it. No my biggest problem is all the grabbing of Sophia. On the swing, he grab her ass, he does it again at the cabin at the beach. He «surprise » kiss her on the lips before the soccer match. If you do the Dylan/Sam bikini show he grab her boob, and that’s just after she said: «no touching ». There may be more but I don’t remember. Notice that Sophia is mad each time (not as much for the kiss) and she has told him to stop doing that since the first time. But it doesn’t matter, he just does it again anyway. By the way, Sophia is at fault too . She should have slapped him across the face after the first incident. To teach him that you don’t grab someone’s body just because you’re horny, especially when that person has never told you to do so. Sophia was supposed to teach him how to behave with women. Well she should have started by teaching how to respect them first.
 

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Sophia comes off as very strict and prudish in the beginning. She is afraid to show any hint of sexuality especially when around her son. It has nothing to do with Dylan being a "perv". During the yoga event we get to see Dylan getting more confident talking to women and being around them. As for peeping on the women in the shower, so what? It was the one time he got the chance to see a woman totally nude and he didn't want to pass it up. One incident and you make him out to be some kind of raging pervert stalking women and accosting them. He is just a shy kid learning about women the best way he can. As a young boy sometimes his hormones will get the best of him but he's no pervert. Sheesh :rolleyes:
Oh I have little issue with Dylan being a perv. As Leldorin and gingersweetgirl have said, other characters do it too. In that conversation by the pool on day 3, Ellie admits she thinks Sophia is hot, and takes notice of who is staring at her. And that's the difference. It's his lack of courage that I'm being critical of, not that he's a perv. If Dylan had the courage to admit his attraction to Sophia, he wouldn't come off as a creep so much. Even Sam admits he's attracted to Sophia, even if it's inappropriate.

Ok, I can see why this twist has been so controversial. The twist doesn't make any sense, it's just dumb. I can see Dylan and Sam hatching a scheme to try and get Sophia to dress sexier, but Dylan approaching Aiden doesn't make any sense to me. He doesn't know the guy, and why would he approach a total stranger with a plan to get his mom to dress sexy? Yeah, this plot point doesn't work. L&P seems like he's done a pretty good job so far with developing the plot, but this seems like a miss to me.

Edit- reading those subtitles really drives home how badly L&P needs an English proof reader.
Dylan approaches Aiden because he's the biggest and most powerful bully at the school, hoping that Aiden's uncle would be so powerful that Sophia would just accept the deal and wear some sexy clothing a few times. He offers Aiden some "data" in exchange, that apparently only he can obtain. What Dylan doesn't count on is that Carl is just as well connected, and knows lawyers just as powerful.

Oh, and L&P has already stated that he's looking for a new proof-reader, since the one he had has been AWOL since the update came out.
 

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Dylan approaches Aiden because he's the biggest and most powerful bully at the school, hoping that Aiden's uncle would be so powerful that Sophia would just accept the deal and wear some sexy clothing a few times. He offers Aiden some "data" in exchange, that apparently only he can obtain. What Dylan doesn't count on is that Carl is just as well connected, and knows lawyers just as powerful.

Oh, and L&P has already stated that he's looking for a new proof-reader, since the one he had has been AWOL since the update came out.
I get it, but it's bad reasoning. As a plot device it breaks my suspension of disbelief. I'm glad L&P is going back and revisiting the twist. While I don't love Dylan, this twist really does change his character for the worse.

And I saw the update too. When I played the most recent update I was really taken aback by how poor the English was. It's a common problem in adult games to have poor translations, but AWAM had always been very good about it. So it was really jarring to see the explosion in broken English. Whenever he gets a new proof-reader I hope they can find the time to go back and iron out some of the wrinkles in the previous release.
 

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I get it, but it's bad reasoning. As a plot device it breaks my suspension of disbelief. I'm glad L&P is going back and revisiting the twist. While I don't love Dylan, this twist really does change his character for the worse.

And I saw the update too. When I played the most recent update I was really taken aback by how poor the English was. It's a common problem in adult games to have poor translations, but AWAM had always been very good about it. So it was really jarring to see the explosion in broken English. Whenever he gets a new proof-reader I hope they can find the time to go back and iron out some of the wrinkles in the previous release.
While I agree that the Twist itself is dumb, and doesn't show Dylan in the best light, I actually like it, in that it's the first time I've seen Dylan show the courage I complain he lacks. It's not the dumb shit he does that I really have a problem with, but that he doesn't ask for help when he's over his head, and that he's not learning anything from the experience. Does Dylan apologise for failing History and promise to do better next time? No. He calls Bennett a bum and a jerk. Bennett is, but that's beside the point. For Dylan's behaviour I actually blame Liam. If Dylan had a proper male role model, he might not have the problems he does.

Character progression is one of my favourite things in games. I'm really loving the Ellie route at the moment, because her interest in Logan was that he was older, had a big dick, and is famous, so completely shallow reasons. But she shows she has a caring, nurturing side, first with Emma, and then with Jules. And now with Jules she's showing a real emotional connection, so demonstrating that Ellie is growing as a person. Character aren't, and shouldn't be perfect. But how they react the problems, even if they struggle, can make all the difference.

And yeah, I'm hoping that eventually the proof-reader will redo the last update as well.
 

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I play corruption and good wife both. Because I really want to see how will Sophia end up if she is a good wife till the end. How much of difference will it be from the corruption route
Well I believe the closest to a gangbang that we can actually confirm is a threesome or swingers party, both of which are GW. L&P has already said that Sophia may get quite kinky later down the track, and as long as Liam is involved, it's considered GW not Filthy. So it's quite possible Sophia might end up being more kinky on the GW than on the Filthy
 

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While I agree that the Twist itself is dumb, and doesn't show Dylan in the best light, I actually like it, in that it's the first time I've seen Dylan show the courage I complain he lacks. It's not the dumb shit he does that I really have a problem with, but that he doesn't ask for help when he's over his head, and that he's not learning anything from the experience. Does Dylan apologise for failing History and promise to do better next time? No. He calls Bennett a bum and a jerk. Bennett is, but that's beside the point. For Dylan's behaviour I actually blame Liam. If Dylan had a proper male role model, he might not have the problems he does.

Character progression is one of my favourite things in games. I'm really loving the Ellie route at the moment, because her interest in Logan was that he was older, had a big dick, and is famous, so completely shallow reasons. But she shows she has a caring, nurturing side, first with Emma, and then with Jules. And now with Jules she's showing a real emotional connection, so demonstrating that Ellie is growing as a person. Character aren't, and shouldn't be perfect. But how they react the problems, even if they struggle, can make all the difference.

And yeah, I'm hoping that eventually the proof-reader will redo the last update as well.
That's fair. Dylan does need some character development, and even though this approach was ill-conceived, at least it moved his character forward. I wish I had hooked him up with Emma because that seems like it was the healthiest route for him to take. I actually didn't think he behaved too badly during the actual yoga session (never mind the showers for a minute) but he is in danger of being the pervy kid with a bad case of blue balls in my playthrough.

Whatever happened with Bennett? Did that storyline get axed?

Well I believe the closest to a gangbang that we can actually confirm is a threesome or swingers party, both of which are GW. L&P has already said that Sophia may get quite kinky later down the track, and as long as Liam is involved, it's considered GW not Filthy. So it's quite possible Sophia might end up being more kinky on the GW than on the Filthy
Now this I like. I like the idea that a woman can get kinky and still be committed to her man. Too often women are only allowed to be either boring, or total sluts. It would be a breath of fresh air if the only way to have a threesome in this game was on the GW path. It would also be one of the slowest burns in the history of entertainment because if you're committed to the GW path, you have had very little content for the last three years.
 

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Whatever happened with Bennett? Did that storyline get axed?
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Pretty much, especially with the time jump that will happen after Sam's concert. Back when the Favorite Character Poll came out, it was confirmed that Bennett had no significant part in the near future. And with the time jump, that brought Bennett's deadline forward a week to playable day 17, so before when we hear the first sex on the Filthy route will happen (playable day 19 at the earliest).

That, and Mrs Torres has already approached Sophia confirming that Bennett was possibly being unreasonable, and that Sophia should approach the school board to get Dylan's mark changed to a pass. So it's likely that Sophia won't even need to accept Bennett's blackmail to get Dylan a passing grade.
 
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