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No, she's going to tease the football team like that.I am imagining how much fun. Sophia will do Dylan teasing like this
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No, she's going to tease the football team like that.I am imagining how much fun. Sophia will do Dylan teasing like this
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This also does not correspond to the truth! It was an individual who claimed this. And we are definitely not the minority. The minority are the Dylan haters. Did he lose Pledger with that? He has won me for example with it!There was even a post from a patron about how L&P has lost all his credibility, since he's willing to change the story to suit a minority of his patrons (around at most 30%)
And another nonsense from you! You don't seriously believe that L&P wouldn't have removed the twist if numerous people hadn't commented negatively on it. He confirmed to me that it was more or less a storm of indignation! Initially he was also against the removal. Only later after many objections did he relent.But it appears to be a snap decision made a few days after the release with no time given for even patrons on lower tiers to have played the update.
I read the post you're probably referring to, and the math is pretty simple. Take the number of people who voted for Dylan as their favourite character, which is around 350. Divide that by the number of patrons, which at the time of release was 1348. Which results in 26%, so a little more than 1 in 4. A minority. And that assumes that every Dylan fan opposed the Twist.This also does not correspond to the truth! It was an individual who claimed this. And we are definitely not the minority. The minority are the Dylan haters. Did he lose Pledger with that? He has won me for example with it!
Your calculation does not add up! It is not only patreons who can write to him!? His email address is not a secret. I was not a Patreon at that time either.I read the post you're probably referring to, and the math is pretty simple. Take the number of people who voted for Dylan as their favourite character, which is around 350. Divide that by the number of patrons, which at the time of release was 1348. Which results in 26%, so a little more than 1 in 4. A minority. And that assumes that every Dylan fan opposed the Twist.
YesSo I guess he must of got a lot of e-mails
I know. I've thought about ignoring dog and cat before. But why? Sometimes they write interesting posts. What just bothers me is that they don't deviate one millimeter from their negative attitude towards Dylan and always talking bad about him. But I assume that this will change in the near future.There are some people here who talk pointless and haters wants Dylan to be completely removed from the story. I suggest you ignore them
I understand how statistics work - and there are a variety of ways to have numbers 'tell' a story.I read the post you're probably referring to, and the math is pretty simple. Take the number of people who voted for Dylan as their favourite character, which is around 350. Divide that by the number of patrons, which at the time of release was 1348. Which results in 26%, so a little more than 1 in 4. A minority. And that assumes that every Dylan fan opposed the Twist.
I have backed up Dylan as when when he did the fashion show/breakfast in bed was a well thought out idea by him.I know. I've thought about ignoring dog and cat before. But why? Sometimes they write interesting posts. What just bothers me is that they don't deviate one millimeter from their negative attitude towards Dylan and always talking bad about him. But I assume that this will change in the near future.
Who is arguing that Dylan should be removed from the story? If anything I'm arguing that the Twist allows for a more depth in Dylan's character than just him having the hots for his mother. With the Twist he showed he was not only able to engage with an enemy, which was a problem I had with him pre-Twist, but that when things didn't go as planned, he had the courage to admit he made a mistake. With the Twist I was actually starting to find him to be an interesting character and a shame we'll never see where it would have lead.There are some people here who talk pointless and haters wants Dylan to be completely removed from the story. I suggest you ignore them
This is part of what I don't understand, because to my knowledge L&P stated it had no effect on the plot played by the people that wanted it removed.what Twist was so bad.
I'd say that what Ellie's doing could be seen as "insidious" in some way too. Both kids are, in some way, manipulating their mother because of the desires they have for her. With Ellie, it seems more harmless because she's a girl, that there's almost this natural female connection and bond of sisterhood that she's playing on which makes her actions seem less creepy. She also advances things quicker with Sophia because of this, because the fact that this is between 2 women means Sophia has less of a guard up than she would with a man since the general perception would be that men are more unscrupulous and "insidious" in their behaviour.Aiden's exact words were "I don't know, man. That whole thing is so fucked up somehow!"
And as for it not making sense, like Ellie's revelations there are clues throughout the game. Even the dishwasher breaking is suspicious, as it only happens on the Dylan route, and only after Sophia rejects the bikini deal and Dylan's offer to wash the dished, because they have a working dishwasher. That Dylan hasn't done anything yet without wanting something in return is another example. And his shyness results in him making deals like for Sophia to wear bikinis more, instead of Ellie's approach on day 3 of having the confidence to just say she thinks Sophia is hot: "I mean, even though I was little back then, I understood that my mom must be really hot if she got more attention than any other woman around! And you still are!"
The clearest example of Dylan's nature comes from the soccer match. L&P himself calls Dylan's kiss insidious. That Dylan doesn't ask for a kiss on the lips like Ellie does, but does it before Sophia can react. Doesn't apologise either like Emma does.
But it was still true for the other path even if you didn't see it because you didn't send him to boarding to school. He was still responsible for it and that was the problem.I think it was a bad idea to remove twist. It gave perfect reason to get rid of Dylan and it only appears on path where you reject his attempts.
And why not? We know that Ellie and Dylan are going to eventually have a sexual relationship with Sophia, so why not with each other as well? It seems to me that plenty of seeds have been planted for it and the fact that there is this side event where the objective is to bring them closer together seems the most obvious one because in doing so, it's likely to be so that neither would balk at the idea of having sex with each other, particularly Ellie, if their relationship becomes less antagonistic and more friendly/caring.Whereas for AWAM, we're still arguing over the nature of the bonus storyline. For me it's just about the relationship between Dylan and Ellie, but for Dylan fans it's setting up Dylan/Ellie.
I think Dylan being at the yoga event was fine, but we didn't need to see it from his perspective. Instead, it should have all just happened from Sophia's perspective and certain things that happen on the Dylan side, like him joining in and getting teased by Patricia, should have happened here with Sophia catching sight of it and having her both wonder what Patricia is up to and feeling something close to jealousy at seeing her teasing him.He'll never be excluded from the game, nor should he be. For those that like his content, there's the Aiden route. And with points in Dylan, even apparently Dylan/Amber on the boarding school route.
What is objectionable though, is for those that have chosen not to play his content to be forced to anyway, as what happened in the Yoga event. Sophia could have left him in the city and picked him up after the yoga class. Would have only taken a few extra renders of Dylan not being in the car and at the entrance to the studio. And those wanting to play the Dylan content could still have done that happily.
Every other character, if you don't have the points or the required flags, you don't get the content, which is as it should be.
Again, you just see it on that path but it doesn't mean he wasn't responsible on the other path because he still was.Why would anyone complain? It would only be on playthrough of people rejecting Dylan and doubt they would complain if he was completely gone.
Exactly. If something was revealed about Ellie doing something grossly and secretly manipulative to make Sophia do things with her, I'm sure loads of people would rage about that, but when it comes to Dylan some people seem to either not get it or think it was perfectly fine. Total double standard.If the twist had been Ellie making this deal with Aiden and we discovered it when Sophia was spying on Ellie and Julia, I would have wanted the twist removed.
But that's ridiculous, because what's true on one path is also true on the other, so Aiden wasn't the sole instigator and even if you never found out on the non-boarding school path, it was still the truth of how that whole thing got started.I believe L&P has also said those on the Dylan route but chose the boarding school route are for those who have already chosen to put an end to the Sophia/Dylan path, but that it opens up Amber/Dylan, and that the Twist was to have no effect whatsoever on those on the Sophia/Dylan path that choose to accept Aiden's tasks and that for all intents and purposes Aiden is the sole instigator of the blackmail.
1000% this. Not only did the twist ruin Dylan's character, it made Aiden out to not be as much of a bastard as he was perceived to be. Sure, he took Dylan's deal and went further with it for his own pleasure, but him making a deal with Dylan made him a weaker villain character because it wasn't him doing it of his own volition.Another unintended consequence of the twist is that it lets Aiden off of the hook to some degree. It wasn't even his idea and he was less of a bully.
That is exactly what I mean! And that is not understood by dog and cat. Why? If it would have stayed with the twist and ended in this path anyway with Sophia/Dylan. We/I would have to think every time in an event with Dylan.... does this have anything to do with Aiden? Is Dylan up to evil? Or is he just doing this out of love for his mother?Again, this is why you can't reveal something like this on one path and not the other because then it ruins the non-reveal path. Even if it wasn't going to have any further impact on the story, it inadvertently did by ruining Dylan's character and tainting his progress with Sophia on the non-boarding school path.
Except that it sort of does. For those that didn't want to send Dylan away because they wanted to keep advancing that relationship, they would have to endure something that was started by the very character they wanted to not send away. The effect of knowing this, which could easily be gained by doing a different playthrough or reading about it on a forum such as this, is that it taints the perception of Dylan for those playing on that path where they kept him around, and so those who were rooting for this relationship but have that burden of knowledge were now suddenly no longer interested in or at least conflicted with continuing this relationship path.This is part of what I don't understand, because to my knowledge L&P stated it had no effect on the plot played by the people that wanted it removed.
The very first sentence tells it all. "there are a variety of ways to have numbers 'tell' a story", do I need to add anything else to this?I understand how statistics work - and there are a variety of ways to have numbers 'tell' a story.
One could make the argument that 50% of those who selected other characters as their favorite also supported the removal of the twist. This would quite obviously put the % of remove the twist > % of do not remove the twist.
Since the poll was not - Do you approve of removing the twist yes/no, all anyone can do is spin the favorite character poll the way they want.
But, from a statistics perspective, if 1/3 or more of those who selected non-Dylan characters as their favorites supported removing the twist, then that would give us > 50% of the Patreons that supported removing the twist.
I am more about Dylans attempt to seduce Sophia than anything else.That is exactly what I mean! And that is not understood by dog and cat. Why? If it would have stayed with the twist and ended in this path anyway with Sophia/Dylan. We/I would have to think every time in an event with Dylan.... does this have anything to do with Aiden? Is Dylan up to evil? Or is he just doing this out of love for his mother?