VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.205] [Lust & Passion]

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ancienregimele

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Poser_Voyeur Alley_Cat Notretsam

I feel like you three are all on the same page and are arriving at conclusions that are all interrelated. I think it's all equally true that Sophia has an easier time flirting with people outside of her social circle (and especially outside of her immediate family), that her corruption is gaining speed and that will change how she interacts with people from Day 1 to Day 30, and that the women have had an easier time than the men due to all the reasons Alley_Cat mentioned.

I'm coming around to the idea that Dylan won't have sex with Sophia until late in the game for a few reasons:

  1. It's the ultimate final hurdle. Think of it like the old show Moonlighting, the "will they/won't they?" tension is what drives this game. From a purely business perspective, once Sophia and Dylan hook up, a critical tension will be released and it can never be replaced. Release it too soon and people will begin to drift away from the game.
  2. Dylan has a lot of things working against him, so he needs the most time to get Sophia in bed. He needs to get his shit together, win her trust, and figure out how to seduce a woman. And even if he does all of that he still needs the next thing:
  3. Sophia needs to completely fall from grace. Sophia's corruption needs to be so complete, her relationship with Liam so broken, and her moral compass so compromised, that she'll be susceptible to Dylan. Only then will all of Dylan's hard work have a chance at success.
So from a business and narrative sense, Dylan may need to be the final person she sleeps with.

There's a very good chance that if Sophia ever does sleep with Dylan, it actually results in a very sad ending to the game.
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I've thought this for some time, which is why I came up with an ending that could be done in an (almost) logical & loving way, a few weeks ago & put it in one of my posts. I would hate this story to have a completely unhappy ending. Whatever happens I'm hoping L&P will provide alternatives, because I will take my leave before Dylan does his nasty thing & Sophia becomes, shall we say, unsophisticated. Even the thought is cringeworthy IMO but at the rate we're going it's not worth too much consideration. I'm hoping for a re-adjustment & strengthening of the non-incest routes at some point but at present it's wishful thinking.
 
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ancienregimele said:
I've thought this for some time, which is why I came up with an ending that could be done in an (almost) logical & loving way, a few weeks ago & put it in one of my posts. I would hate this story to have a completely unhappy ending. Whatever happens I'm hoping L&P will provide alternatives, because I will take my leave before Dylan does his nasty thing & Sophia becomes, shall we say, unsophisticated. Even the thought is cringeworthy IMO but at the rate we're going it's not worth too much consideration. I'm hoping for a re-adjustment & strengthening of the non-incest routes at some point but at present it's wishful thinking.
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unsophisticated...? this game has nothing to do with sophistication, it's fap material... she's already flashed her snatch at a classroom full of students, along with a few other questionable sexual acts with underage teens. and, if was to judge the game by the title alone, I'd say in the end, she's going to marry Dylan, to fulfill Wife and Mother title of the game
 
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Captain Bipto said:
unsophisticated...? this game has nothing to do with sophistication, it's fap material... she's already flashed her snatch at a classroom full of students, along with a few other questionable sexual acts with underage teens. and, if was to judge the game by the title alone, I'd say in the end, she's going to marry Dylan, to fulfill Wife and Mother title of the game
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pussy and panties are not the same thing at all. But probably soon the students will see not only her panties but also her pussy ))
 
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Captain Bipto said:
unsophisticated...? this game has nothing to do with sophistication, it's fap material... she's already flashed her snatch at a classroom full of students, along with a few other questionable sexual acts with underage teens. and, if was to judge the game by the title alone, I'd say in the end, she's going to marry Dylan, to fulfill Wife and Mother title of the game
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So it just can't be called A Wife And Mother cause she is married with kids.
 
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ancienregimele said:
So, we hear this defence of the Dev's pacing all the time. I've even maybe used it myself in the past & of course he's going to take whatever time he feels he needs or wants, without reference to a pirate thread. This in no way negates the question & after 3 years of sticking with AWAM, I'm interested in hearing other people's answers. That includes yours but you begin your post with snarky disrespect for the legitimate question & the person who asks it & then use the phrase, "with all due respect." Was this deliberate irony on your part? Personally I play all sorts of games but that doesn't stop me from being critical of the pacing of this game, in what I hope would be taken in a constructive way, if you read my answer to the question above. As I point out this is not just a simple matter of the time between updates but the top-heavy content, (which is only rivalled by Sophia's top-heavy latest bust measurement).
Nobody expects this game to be perfect but if we're still here it's because we have an investment in it, whether it be money or time. I can't realistically expect a return on my investment of time & interest, because I've paid nothing yet but there are patrons who do pay & there are questions that it should be possible to ask without drawing undue disparagement. "Don't watch that, watch this," in referring to other games just doesn't work for me as a defence any more. We are talking about a specific issue.
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Sometimes I'm in black humor because it gets cynical. Sorry!
But is sex only when a dick is involved or the person comes to orgasm?
I think we had great sex scenes:
Elli and Sophia,
Ellia, Julia and Sophia,
Sophia and Alyssa,
Liam and Sophia at work,
Sophia in prison, ....
And the illustrated erotic fuck scene in the prison was incredibly hot.
Even if that was just a fantasy of the virtual main character, there will be nothing
more than images of a fantasy story in the future.
Sure you can discuss whether L&P avoids sex scenes. Depends on the definition of sex scenes.
For me this discussion is incomprehensible and looks like a new complaint about working too
slowly and milking again.
 
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I don't think Dylan will fuck Sophia only at the end of the game. Even though Sam might have a little head start because Sophia is struggling to have sex with her son whom she loves and wants to protect, that doesn't mean Sam will fuck her first. The decisive Dylan/Sophia event will be in the next playablen day. This is where the stage is set for Dylan's progress with his mother. And there will be a romantic and a cuckold route. So for us romantics, not a single fuck and then it's over! :love:
 
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Captain Bipto said:
unsophisticated...? this game has nothing to do with sophistication, it's fap material... she's already flashed her snatch at a classroom full of students, along with a few other questionable sexual acts with underage teens. and, if was to judge the game by the title alone, I'd say in the end, she's going to marry Dylan, to fulfill Wife and Mother title of the game
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It's Sophia's combination of beauty & brains that make her irresistible, to me anyway but I'm sure I'm not the only one. She's been presented in the early part of the game as an all-round accomplished renaissance woman. That's where the sophistication comes in. Bear in mind that fap material can be sophisticated & at times should be, if only for variety & freedom of choice. Having said that, there hasn't been a lot of this fap material in AWAM, which is why I used to contend it was more than straightforward porn.
I revised that opinion in the light of the Dylanisation process & Sophia's expanding breasts but that still doesn't detract from my view that if this is "fap material," then it's a very light fabric. Anybody having a good wank to this stuff must be easily pleased but I'm not denigrating that. To each his/her own.
As for showing her snatch. When did Sophia do this? It never happened. Yes, the class saw her panties but I've read enough teacher blackmail stories to know that snatch display is a distinct task. Who knows if Aiden will demand it, or if he does, whether it will happen at all?
I used the term "unsophisticated" for an incestuous Sophia as the mildest form of disappointment in the MC I could register while still getting the point across. I will be gone from AWAM's followers by then, which is why I didn't want or need to become insulting. What I really think is personal but if necessary can well be imagined & this is where I would have left it.
Now as for marrying Dylan. That's definitely not going to happen. On the other hand, they could live together & in 25-35 years time Dylan can become Sophia's sole carer. What a happy ending after all.
 
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Captain Bipto said:
unsophisticated...? this game has nothing to do with sophistication, it's fap material... she's already flashed her snatch at a classroom full of students, along with a few other questionable sexual acts with underage teens. and, if was to judge the game by the title alone, I'd say in the end, she's going to marry Dylan, to fulfill Wife and Mother title of the game
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what a amazing ending <3
 
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hzjujk said:
Sometimes I'm in black humor because it gets cynical. Sorry!
But is sex only when a dick is involved or the person comes to orgasm?
I think we had great sex scenes:
Elli and Sophia,
Ellia, Julia and Sophia,
Sophia and Alyssa,
Liam and Sophia at work,
Sophia in prison, ....
And the illustrated erotic fuck scene in the prison was incredibly hot.
Even if that was just a fantasy of the virtual main character, there will be nothing
more than images of a fantasy story in the future.
Sure you can discuss whether L&P avoids sex scenes. Depends on the definition of sex scenes.
For me this discussion is incomprehensible and looks like a new complaint about working too
slowly and milking again.
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Dylan and Sophia in the beach hut :sneaky:
 
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Hlextor said:
I don't think Dylan will fuck Sophia only at the end of the game. Even though Sam might have a little head start because Sophia is struggling to have sex with her son whom she loves and wants to protect, that doesn't mean Sam will fuck her first. The decisive Dylan/Sophia event will be in the next playablen day. This is where the stage is set for Dylan's progress with his mother. And there will be a romantic and a cuckold route. So for us romantics, not a single fuck and then it's over! :love:
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but she has no problem with getting it on with Ellie?
 
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ancienregimele said:
I've thought this for some time, which is why I came up with an ending that could be done in an (almost) logical & loving way, a few weeks ago & put it in one of my posts. I would hate this story to have a completely unhappy ending. Whatever happens I'm hoping L&P will provide alternatives, because I will take my leave before Dylan does his nasty thing & Sophia becomes, shall we say, unsophisticated. Even the thought is cringeworthy IMO but at the rate we're going it's not worth too much consideration. I'm hoping for a re-adjustment & strengthening of the non-incest routes at some point but at present it's wishful thinking.
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While I’m sure there will be happy endings, there need to be prices to pay for filthy route endings. Maybe you’re will to pay those costs and consider the ending worth it, but there still needs to be a trade off.

If a player goes full-filthy, and maximizes incest points, that’s probably going to have a much higher cost to Sophia’s current life than a player who only dabbles in the filthy route. Going pure GW doesn’t necessarily mean the happiest ending either, because there could be trade offs there as well.

The moment of truth will be whenever Sophia herself initiates sex with Ellie and/or Dylan. Once she does that, she’s tossing aside any flimsy excuses and admitting that she wants to have sex with them purely for pleasure. That’s the literal final act of Act 3 on the filthy route, Sophia embracing her sexuality completely and the consequences be damned. The player will probably get opportunities to tweak the ending, but my theorized intervention from Patricia will probably be the last chance to make a major course correction.
 
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