t3alqdansam

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it is not a question of what is allowed or not allowed. The specific point is the denigration of the paying patreons in relation to the delay of the updates. Now, without bothering Aristotle's logic, if one does not belong to this category of payers, he cannot complain about the slowness of updates in the face of payments, since he does not pay anything. In my country there is a proverb that says: "on a donated horse you don't look in the mouth ..."
Sorry, but we ain't in your country. This site is not behind the paywall. This is a free area. There are a whole lot of folks here with good ideas and good comments whether they pay L&P or not is not the point. There are some with bad ideas and bad comments. That is why they can chat away to their hearts content. They do not have access to the Patreon chat that you do so that is where payers get their due. Not here. Sorry if that chaps your ......! :devilish:
 

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It is probably for the "Automatic update" feature he said he wants to integrate in the new version. https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-115-lust-passion.5944/post-5794100
I don't know if any other game has already a feature like that. For sure it requires python knowledge and programming skills.
There is no auto update feature.
The updates get broken down into patches so that you don't have to download the whole game again for each update,just the update it self.
 
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ar1122

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Oh yes. I knew what you were asking for. However, I no longer trust in it. I no longer go there.
Sarcastic humor sometimes doesn't translate I guess. Don't take it personally. My response is in regard to the global issue.
The update schedule is so far behind and the production amount teased is very different to the expectations communicated by L&P. I enjoy the quality of the work and most things L&P has produced and rate it highly. However, L&P, you are making your own Hell. Ignore it to your own peril.



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Those posts only puts more pressure and risk on L&P because of the expectations he himself sets. Anything other than spectacular sets himself up for criticism. I question that decision. Best thing for L&P to do is simple. Put all efforts into releasing this update. Reason? Because it's so far behind and off on what L&P himself set as expectations. This is also a form of integrity to the art itself, not only exclusive to healthy human interactions. Yes, nothing ever goes perfect and most understand that, but this is so far off of the goals stated.. I sense a disconnect and it is painful to watch. L&P's own PR decisions here is atrocious. This is not said out of malice but with honesty. I hope that a helpful and good lesson is learned here by L&P so that potential talent can truly be reached and not result in failure.

There are reasons for these posts..



This update I hope in the quality and the art. I try to forget the journey.
Next update, all this should be so fixable... but... all I am left with is worry that was well earned.
This is for L&P to figure out.
L&P learn from it. Be curious for your own improvement. The integrity of your decisions will always find you.
Yeah but this is i thik the most viewed work of all in f95 i think and for me the best but if the update took so long it just destroyes it lol.:) :cool: :cool:
 
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Lust&Passion

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Ok, great. Well I'm glad that we have someone to tell us what we can and cannot discuss. Please, tell us more about what is allowed.

Edit- to stay on topic, if I were trying to hire someone I think I would be best off putting more detail into my job post. A once sentence blurb doesn't really tell anyone much. I understand that he'll tell them more in a private message, but why not give more details up front? Wouldn't that help a potential hire know if this is the sort of job they want to take?
Actually I'm only looking for someone who could check and fix DOL to save time for me. That's why you actually only need to be deligent and have experience with Renpy and some Python knowledge. And this is also why the post is as big as it is. Everything like update mode, cheat mode, naming save files mode etc is already done! So, no need for more unfounded conspiracy theories. I think there're already enough of them here.
 

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Actually I'm only looking for someone who could check and fix DOL to save time for me. That's why you actually only need to be deligent and have experience with Renpy and some Python knowledge. And this is also why the post is as big as it is. Everything like update mode, cheat mode, naming save files mode etc is already done! So, no need for more unfounded conspiracy theories. I think there're already enough of them here.
To be fair a lot of the flack levelled at L&P is from a(few) ill informed people who have not read some of the posts on this forum.
As for some of his goals, why would that trouble you?We may never know if he carried out what he said he would.
As for rest, he may/or may not have he has brought this upon himself as we all have different opinions on how things should be done.
 
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xxxorro

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There is no auto update feature.
The updates get broken down into patches so that you don't have to download the whole game again for each update,just the update it self.
Ok, but he is also hinting at a button to do that automatically, i.e. wo going to a site to download the patch and add it to the current game.
plus there will be a new update button where you will be able wo download only the new stuff without downloading the whole game again and again.
Everything like update mode, cheat mode, naming save files mode etc is already done!
If they are only patches there is not much development to do, he "only" needs to better organize the files so that it's easier to separate each patch and merge them inside the current game (like other games do).
What it seems he wants to do is an automatic way to download and merge the patches.
But I don't know, that's what I understand from his messages.
 

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there's a feature in renpy that lets it download patches from a website and unpack and repack the game files



doesn't look hard to do
 

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it is not a question of what is allowed or not allowed. The specific point is the denigration of the paying patreons in relation to the delay of the updates. Now, without bothering Aristotle's logic, if one does not belong to this category of payers, he cannot complain about the slowness of updates in the face of payments, since he does not pay anything. In my country there is a proverb that says: "on a donated horse you don't look in the mouth ..."
So, in my country we have a version of that saying also but the fact is that we're all equal here. That includes both patrons & pirates, who come here to discuss AWAM, which means that frequently opinions are expressed. Some of us have been with the game since the start, or near the start. Most of us are hoping the game will succeed & make suggestions, while a few just come to criticise. This is a pirate site, so by its' very nature, contains those like myself, who've never subscribed. There are a diverse range of people present from around the globe. Misunderstandings can & do occur, while one or two have registered simply to troll &/or start an argument.

L&P, or anyone else, is free to take opinions & ideas on board, or reject, or completely ignore them. Discussions which go off-topic are deleted by the moderators. Sometimes insults are traded, or discussions become heated, because people can be passionate about AWAM. Most of the time the tenor of the ongoing discourse with multiple participants is polite & even restrained. There are many facets to the discussion, which is broader & longer than most I've been part of on F95. Some ideas are good, others not so much but everyone has the right to express them & it's all a matter of personal opinion. I could turn your point on its' head & ask, 'why come to a pirate site if you don't want to hear pirates?'

No-one has the right to tell anyone who isn't a patron to shut up, unless it's the moderators, acting on behalf of the site owners.
I do have subscriptions to artists on Patreon but I won't subscribe to AWAM while the rate of updates is slowing down, especially now. This hasn't removed my right to speak freely. I choose not to comment on the Dev's income because I don't contribute to it. This relates to another saying in my country, ie "put your money where your mouth is." Anything else IMO is fair game within the limits described above.
 

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it is not a question of what is allowed or not allowed. The specific point is the denigration of the paying patreons in relation to the delay of the updates. Now, without bothering Aristotle's logic, if one does not belong to this category of payers, he cannot complain about the slowness of updates in the face of payments, since he does not pay anything. In my country there is a proverb that says: "on a donated horse you don't look in the mouth ..."
I'm anxiously awaiting this community's deep dive into the nuances, sexual subtext, classical literature references, and downright naughtiness of the Dylan/Julia/Emma/Ellie foursome event scheduled for playable day 22. But since that is about a decade away I will fill my time providing L&P and anyone else who reads this thread my suggestions for how the development could be improved/accelerated.

BTW and FYI: In English the expression is "Never look a gift horse in the mouth" (with no ellipses) and while it may be a commonly used proverb in your country, it is very unlikely to be from your country. According to theidioms.com, [emphasis added]
"It is an ancient expression and the exact origin is unknown. However, the first print occurrence in English is found in 1546 in John Heywood’s “A dialogue conteinyng the nomber in effect of all the prouerbes in the Englishe tongue” (middle English). The phrase can be traced further back to the Latin text of St Jerome, The Letter to the Ephesians, in AD 400.
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Furthermore, I would say the application of this particular proverb to bolster your argument is a complete and utter failure of logic, Aristotelean or otherwise, or at minimum a misunderstanding of the scenario. I think an allegory is more apt:

I was dehydrated, starving, and near death on a deserted stretch of road outside San Alejo. I landed at the airport more than a two weeks prior. While trying to find my rental car on the ninth floor of the parking garage, some asshole in a very expensive looking sports coup - which I'm sure had at least six people in it despite being a five-seater - driving manically fast nearly runs me over. I lunged out of the way, dropping everything I was carrying, obviously, and somehow stumbled over the barrier, eventually tumbling 3,000 meters downhill, breaking my leg and several ribs in the process. I can't get up, I can't move, I can't help myself. My luggage and personal effects, including my cell phone, are either still up in that parking garage or strewn about the cliffs above, but either way are irretrievable. I'm fucked, right?

Crippled, lost, directionless, and with little hope of realizing the bright future I'd been looking forward to for years, I begin walking, limping and crawling as best I can. As I said, this goes on for more than two weeks, I'm living off dew collected in leaves and bugs I can catch and keep down without vomiting. I saw what looked like a deer, which would have been good protein but it was too rancid for me to consider it edible. The maggots gestating inside did provide enough sustenance for me to carry on, though.

I hear the sound of a car in the distance - a road! I lumber towards the sound and collapse on the side of a highway - I'm going to make it, I'm going to be ok!

Eventually, a man and woman on a motorcycle drive by and stop to ask me what's wrong (the woman is quite beautiful and her cheeks are flushed, I notice, and the man has a very confident and knowing smirk on his face). I tell them I haven't had a sip of water in nearly three days and I'm near death and ask if they could please help me out. They say they have nothing on them but they will be back with help. They ride off, and all I can think is that I will soon have food and water and another look at that sumptuous woman, her massive boobs and that incredibly tight black leather riding kit. I'm happy.

I wait. And I wait. Night falls. Nothing. I pass out. I awake to sunlight. Time passes, still no help arrives. I start crawling in the direction they were riding. I crawl all day, and by late afternoon I can see off in the distance a gas station on the side of the road with a minimart. There's a public pay phone and a shop full of bottled water, juices, and snacks. Did they just abandon me to die there knowing my plight? Why didn't they just call for help and bring me some water?! How cruel and selfish of them.

As my anger builds I hear what sounds like an armada of vehicles, including a motorcycle, coming up the road. It's him! He did come back - but what took so long?

He explains:
"Hey man, I know you've been hurting for a long time living on the scraps you could find, but I couldn't resist the notion that you might want more than water and a trip to the hospital. So I arranged a gourmet buffet meal for you! And a mariachi band to keep the mood up! But then I thought you'd also want a snake charmer, which I don't have to tell you takes some time to find, especially around here! And what party would be complete without a dance floor, which of course needs proper disco hall lighting. I had to build the portable dance floor all by myself because, you know, I couldn't find any carpenters that were better than me on short notice willing to work for cheap, so what's the point, right? And a dance party needs a DJ, which means a sound system and a portable power generator. And then I was sure you'd want to parade into town accompanied by the bumping beats of the local high school marching band, so I had to round them up, get the parental permission slips, arrange for transportation, and then the rehearsals. You know, it has to sound perfect right? Can't have sub-standard music for this event, right?"

I am stunned. But you know what the real kicker in all that is, he didn't even bring that hot sexy woman with him...
 
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