VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.205] [Lust & Passion]

[Old Dog]

Then you'll never understand me because I hate it. What I particularly detest is the way she went from having a proportionate figure to growing into the shape of the typical gaming MILF stereotype. Why tamper with perfection? My enjoyment of this VN has declined proportionately with the several changes to the MC's bust size.

I've posted so much on this, even I'm tired of it. She told the movers she was a 36b, which was true back then. That is NOT small but it seems that her nicely ample breasts were not suiting some folks? Was it the Dev, the fans, both & again we'll never know. IMO AWAM took a step away from realism into becoming just another tweenagers porn game. What should ideally happen is for the movers scene to be altered & have them informed of how she's a 44DD.

Big-busted women who are also games teachers are very believable to me because there were two at my school. One of them was for some time my form/class teacher & all us boy tweenagers fancied her like crazy. Sophia, however practices sports that tend to decrease bust size, offspring notwithstanding. Basketball, swimming, jogging, yoga, on their own might have little effect but together, regularly?? Check out some speed swimmers, track stars, women footballers etc.

I could write another essay on this but I'll leave it there & just say that I'm well aware of how beautiful big breasted women can be because I went out with some but we're talking about a specific character, who, IMO, is now top-heavy.

I agree with you that AwAm is turning into just another run of the mill porn/VN game.
AwAm was a great game but it has lost its way and that is sad.

 

[Bane71]

Then you'll never understand me because I hate it. What I particularly detest is the way she went from having a proportionate figure to growing into the shape of the typical gaming MILF stereotype. Why tamper with perfection? My enjoyment of this VN has declined proportionately with the several changes to the MC's bust size.

I've posted so much on this, even I'm tired of it. She told the movers she was a 36b, which was true back then. That is NOT small but it seems that her nicely ample breasts were not suiting some folks? Was it the Dev, the fans, both & again we'll never know. IMO AWAM took a step away from realism into becoming just another tweenagers porn game. What should ideally happen is for the movers scene to be altered & have them informed of how she's a 44DD.

Big-busted women who are also games teachers are very believable to me because there were two at my school. One of them was for some time my form/class teacher & all us boy tweenagers fancied her like crazy. Sophia, however practices sports that tend to decrease bust size, offspring notwithstanding. Basketball, swimming, jogging, yoga, on their own might have little effect but together, regularly?? Check out some speed swimmers, track stars, women footballers etc.

I could write another essay on this but I'll leave it there & just say that I'm well aware of how beautiful big breasted women can be because I went out with some but we're talking about a specific character, who, IMO, is now top-heavy.

I can understand you, my friend, but it seems to me that you should not take the game too seriously, expect realism from it.
I think L&P should not have voiced its thesis about striving for realism.
He could do it with this aspiration in his head, but not to voice it. Now, this greatly harms him and the players, they have an inflated expectation. But it's impossible, it's just a game.

But in the photo the woman has very beautiful breasts, I hope you agree with me?

 

[Lio.k01]

I believe Logan, Sam and Jules will be the three branches of the Ellie route, so each will get their chance with Ellie. Dylan, I don't believe so, and that the bonus storyline is more about setting Dylan up with Christine.

As I've said before, in the Ellie route there hasn't been any cooling of her disdain for Dylan, and I don't see that changing soon. And I don't see L&P possibly risking his Patron income by introducing an incest scene before any Sophia/Dylan scene

in other words, Ellie will always hate Dylan, yeah! Why is she so interesting? Doesn't this sheep understand that he is her brother ... even if everyone spreads Sophia's legs ... Ellie and the relationship with Dylan will not change. it sucks ... even Ellie will be raped, Dylan won't save her ... right ?! personally, I would not save a sister like that .. what do you think?

 

[hzjujk]

I believe the salon event on playable day 13 will be about Dylan/Marie. Especially since Marie considers Dylan a "cutie". And that the only way for her not to is for Dylan to be a complete "moron" (Patricia's word) during their initial conversation.

Yes, you could be right. Something like Christine and Dylan's basketball event. For me it would be dead boring or only interesting if Marie gave Dylan a hand job so that he could concentrate on martial arts, and Sophia happened to watch it. But I also hope not a pure Sophia / Marie event. Better something like "The Choice of Paris" with Dylan in the role of Paris. With three women who want to show their best side. And no matter what Dylan does or which woman wins, he's the big loser.

 

[Old Dog]

So Dylan could be a very busy boy on Playable day 13 with him coming home from boarding school( If sent away,Noon event) and the salon event(Afternoon)how will he cope?
Sam/Sophia event is before the Sophia/Claire/Maria/Dylan event so I wonder how much of an affect the Sam could have on Sophia?

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

But in the photo the woman has very beautiful breasts, I hope you agree with me?

the woman is probably breastfeeding the baby, so the breasts are more swollen

 

[nexer]

So Dylan could be a very busy boy on Playable day 13 with him coming home from boarding school( If sent away,Noon event) and the salon event(Afternoon)how will he cope?
Sam/Sophia event is before the Sophia/Claire/Maria/Dylan event so I wonder how much of an affect the Sam could have on Sophia?

That's the highest compliment you can pay Dylan.
And I like the sound of it: "very busy boy". The expression doesn't say much if you take it out of context. But context is for kings

 

[Alley_Cat]

in other words, Ellie will always hate Dylan, yeah! Why is she so interesting? Doesn't this sheep understand that he is her brother ... even if everyone spreads Sophia's legs ... Ellie and the relationship with Dylan will not change. it sucks ... even Ellie will be raped, Dylan won't save her ... right ?! personally, I would not save a sister like that .. what do you think?

I never said that Ellie will always hate Dylan. I would actually like to see their relationship improve. I just don't see it ending up in a sexual relationship. Especially since if you're playing the Ellie route, she's having far more fun with Jules.

I just believe it will take longer for their relationship to get to amicable levels before the bonus storyline is due to finish on playable day 16. On the bonus storyline route she does attempt to poison him after all.

Yes, you could be right. Something like Christine and Dylan's basketball event. For me it would be dead boring or only interesting if Marie gave Dylan a hand job so that he could concentrate on martial arts, and Sophia happened to watch it. But I also hope not a pure Sophia / Marie event. Better something like "The Choice of Paris" with Dylan in the role of Paris. With three women who want to show their best side. And no matter what Dylan does or which woman wins, he's the big loser.

A handjob at the salon? I don't think that's likely, especially if you consider that for those that played the Alyssa event, Marie hasn't even met Dylan yet. And there's the path where Dylan didn't answer Marie's questions properly.

So considering there's three different versions of the event, I think the event itself will be small, but all setting up for Dylan to be on good terms with Marie, so that in a future event, possibly even on Saturday, then they can get up to mischief. Sophia's going to be out of the house for the museum date after all.

 

[t3alqdansam]

There are going to be 10 updates in PD 13, so it's more like 1/3 day to 1/10.

If the updates are around 150 renders, then progress should be about 5% per day

Ultimately the graphs are nice. However, as I believe we all know, the proof that matters is the change in actual production rate. Will he get to a PD per year or better. I think Alley_Cat reference to 1/10th is, unfortunately, going to be way too accurate. This very update (as a significant percentage of the day) will be the precursor. By the end of February all the concerns, or attitudes, will be answered.

 

[Sabertooth__]

Yes, I can accept that a 16 year old might not have had full sex & that relationships might not last too long but isn't Sam more like 17? Anyway, the exact age is not important here. What I can't believe is that someone like Sam hasn't kissed a girl properly at his stage of life. Surprisingly, given his kissing tally, he goes for a French kiss with Sophia, which he initiates, never having mastered ordinary kissing. [Myself: 1st kiss age 6 (long off-topic story), 1st French kiss age 13 (we taught each other) & I wasn't cookie-cutter handsome like Sam, (Not that I was ugly!)].




This was my whole point & I entirely agree. It now falls to Sophia to put an end to this 'secret affair' or knowingly take it further. Now that's what I call awkward.

I don't take it negatively at all because each generation is different from the previous one & much has changed in half a century. What hasn't changed is that every new generation still thinks that they invented sex & the dynamics between the sexes. If Sam has not even kissed a girl that could be the only semi-logical reason why he still believes everything is possible.

I can just tell you that when I was 16 the only kiss I had ever gotten was on the cheek. Similar was the case with most of my friends back then. So I don't have any problem believing that, infact it is more relatable to me.

For Sam this could be a once in a lifetime kiss for him with Sophia, the woman he desires. Will he really care about his inadequacies. He will do everything he has heard or seen. French kisses are common these days. Similarly popularized are kisses on the neck. So a teen of his age who has seen all of this will try it definitely. That's how I see it. It was never said that Sam is an expert kisser either. So it's all about doing whatever he can. His other actions also support this notion as he tries to fondle her, kiss her all over, suck on her breasts. He tried to do everything he could. Which to me is the most normal thing a teen would do when given an opportunity like this with his most desired woman.

This was my whole point & I entirely agree. It now falls to Sophia to put an end to this 'secret affair' or knowingly take it further. Now that's what I call awkward.

What will happen in the next scene will decide whether it will be logical or not. As of now I am just happy that the fear of almost being caught made her wish she never did any of it. Which was realistic to me.

Again, this is where I couldn't really believe it, because Sam is not small & the tub was bathed in light but even accepting the scene, (which we had to do), it was a stretch. What was a massive stretch, however, was the fact that Sam chose this moment to work Sophia's bikini bottoms, rather than curling into the tightest ball he could manage & just concentrating on not moving & holding his breath. That's why I say this lad is incredible.

The edge was quite thick honestly, there is seating space plus the thickness of the tub. Sam was beyond that and stuck as close as possible to Sophia as well, he had to keep his head low anyways, plus you are playing a erotic novel ofcourse if his head is there he will try something. Add to that that Liam's view was completely blocked and as he is released from the kiss he was immediately pushed back to get the phone


There is no way for Liam to see anything here



This render is an in motion render whose description says that "Sophia pushes away Liam and tells him to get her phone" ( you can verify this by extracting the image and seeing what it is named as ) thereby not giving Liam time to look in the tub, as the kiss breaks he is sent away, if this were in a video format might have been much easier to accept I believe, plus no reason to suspect any person inside the tub, also refraction could be playing an additional factor, and Sophia hurrying him to get her phone. I can easily accept this and not make a huge deal out of it.

 

[t3alqdansam]

Honestly this isn't worth debating. Everyone has specific preferences as to which storylines they want to play. You might not want the bonus storyline but there might be others who do. Some might not want Sam storyline while some wouldn't want Dylan, some don't want lesbian, So there is no point to debating this. It is his story, he decides what stays and what goes.

As he goes. He admitted he needs a writer not a proofer. He talked about the difficulty of keeping it all coherent (my word). It is not written! He even hinted that there is no outline. But, you are absolutely correct that he decides. No one else is allowed. It is also why things move so slowly. Why he cannot get someone to COMPLETE the VN, at his direction, is the reason this moves at a snails pace. No insult to snails intended.

 

[neil_ku]

Ultimately the graphs are nice. However, as I believe we all know, the proof that matters is the change in actual production rate. Will he get to a PD per year or better. I think Alley_Cat reference to 1/10th is, unfortunately, going to be way too accurate. This very update (as a significant percentage of the day) will be the precursor. By the end of February all the concerns, or attitudes, will be answered.

I am afraid even getting a PD per year is too little too late.

 

[t3alqdansam]

I can just tell you that when I was 16 the only kiss I had ever gotten was on the cheek. Similar was the case with most of my friends back then. So I don't have any problem believing that, infact it is more relatable to me.

For Sam this could be a once in a lifetime kiss for him with Sophia, the woman he desires. Will he really care about his inadequacies. He will do everything he has heard or seen. French kisses are common these days. Similarly popularized are kisses on the neck. So a teen of his age who has seen all of this will try it definitely. That's how I see it. It was never said that Sam is an expert kisser either. So it's all about doing whatever he can. His other actions also support this notion as he tries to fondle her, kiss her all over, suck on her breasts. He tried to do everything he could. Which to me is the most normal thing a teen would do when given an opportunity like this with his most desired woman.


What will happen in the next scene will decide whether it will be logical or not. As of now I am just happy that the fear of almost being caught made her wish she never did any of it. Which was realistic to me.


The edge was quite thick honestly, there is seating space plus the thickness of the tub. Sam was beyond that and stuck as close as possible to Sophia as well, he had to keep his head low anyways, plus you are playing a erotic novel ofcourse if his head is there he will try something. Add to that that Liam's view was completely blocked and as he is released from the kiss he was immediately pushed back to get the phone
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There is no way for Liam to see anything here

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This render is an in motion render whose description says that Sophia "pushes away Liam and tells him to get her phone" thereby not giving Liam time to look in the tub, as the kiss breaks he is sent away, if this were in a video format might have been much easier to accept I believe, plus no reason to suspect any person inside the tub, also refraction could be playing an additional factor, and Sophia hurrying him to get her phone. I can easily accept this and not make a huge deal out of it.

Are you implying that Sophia's cranium is so large that Liam cannot see the body of a young man in the clear water of the jacuzzi. On this I call BS. It is just another moment where we must use suspension of belief to get past the scene. It is the only way.

 

[bayrischman]

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we will receive the first 5 percent as a santa claus present. hahaha seldom laughs.

 

[t3alqdansam]

I can understand you, my friend, but it seems to me that you should not take the game too seriously, expect realism from it.
I think L&P should not have voiced its thesis about striving for realism.
He could do it with this aspiration in his head, but not to voice it. Now, this greatly harms him and the players, they have an inflated expectation. But it's impossible, it's just a game.

But in the photo the woman has very beautiful breasts, I hope you agree with me?

I agree with your thought Bane71. However, it was the entire sales pitch he threw at the audience. Now he struggles to write the story.

As far as Breasts. I married a 32 D, three kids later a 36 G. Not my fault. We wanted the kids. She got the exact ones she wanted (I aim to please. Happy wife, happy life.) I am quite familiar with the cause. I get to enjoy that view daily. However, I agree with ancienregimele that, for the game, it was an unnecessary alteration. If it all started as Sophia got pregnant with Ellie it would be explainable. Instead it was between a plane ride to San Ajelo and a shower. Just a poor decision on L&P part IMO.

 

[t3alqdansam]

I just posted the render. The dialogue also says that Liam comes from the side from where it would have been easier to hide Sam. Plus from the render, I see no chance of him seeing. During the kiss his eyes are closed. He is then immediately pushed back. Sophia's cranium might not be so big but Sophia's hand blocked his view completely at the same time pushing his head in the other direction thereby reducing the chances even further. From the side that he comes, during the kiss and immediately pushed back, There is so much yet you just want to adamantly believe that there is no way that can happen. So all I can say is you have your beliefs I have mine.

I.e. The suspension of belief. Or, in this case, optics. Maybe Liam is near sighted and forgot his contacts. Yeah, that's the ticket!

 

[Alley_Cat]

I am afraid even getting a PD per year is too little too late.

Even at 2 PD/year the game will still take 9 years to finish. We'd probably need close to 3 PD/year (never going to happen, I know) for the game to be complete within any reasonable time period.

 

[hzjujk]

I never said that Ellie will always hate Dylan. I would actually like to see their relationship improve. I just don't see it ending up in a sexual relationship. Especially since if you're playing the Ellie route, she's having far more fun with Jules.

I just believe it will take longer for their relationship to get to amicable levels before the bonus storyline is due to finish on playable day 16. On the bonus storyline route she does attempt to poison him after all.

A handjob at the salon? I don't think that's likely, especially if you consider that for those that played the Alyssa event, Marie hasn't even met Dylan yet. And there's the path where Dylan didn't answer Marie's questions properly.

So considering there's three different versions of the event, I think the event itself will be small, but all setting up for Dylan to be on good terms with Marie, so that in a future event, possibly even on Saturday, then they can get up to mischief. Sophia's going to be out of the house for the museum date after all.

Nope, the handjob would be in the back room. But you are right, I too find this process a bit too extreme at the moment. Especially since Dylan and Marie hardly know each other so far. But the event is not that unlikely. After all, Dylan's best piece already disturbed the yoga event and threatened to break off. Well, it's just a speculation of mine - if I come up with something new, I'll post it and you can then shred it in the air again.

 

[neil_ku]

Whatever you wanna call it.
I don't think it was unrealistic. How I view every scene is "is there any chance of this happening ?" If I get the answer yes I accept the scene. I am not here to try and reject everything I can. If there is a situation which can go either way, I'd rather believe in the side which makes the scene acceptable rather than taking the side that it is not. If there is a scene where I don't even see an ounce of possibility, I'll reject it.

Because even a remote chance of something being possible makes it realistic. And from all the stuff that one sees and hears these days, each and everyday you find something that you would never believe was true but it is.

Also if that part was unbelievable to you, you always have the other two options. They are just as canon as this one. You have options just so you can choose the one that you believe is the closest to realistic. So if you think hiding behind the tub was the best choice, that's your reality.

IMO, this scene could have avoided:
1. Sophia thinks hiding Sam inside the tub is a good idea even if when Liam would come to her.
2. How on earth Sam is still breathing after being submerged in the water to that extent? I mean going by the second picture Sophia could get prosecuted for attempt to murder

 

[Bane71]

I agree with your thought Bane71. However, it was the entire sales pitch he threw at the audience. Now he struggles to write the story.

As far as Breasts. I married a 32 D, three kids later a 36 G. Not my fault. We wanted the kids. She got the exact ones she wanted (I aim to please. Happy wife, happy life.) I am quite familiar with the cause. I get to enjoy that view daily. However, I agree with ancienregimele that, for the game, it was an unnecessary alteration. If it all started as Sophia got pregnant with Ellie it would be explainable. Instead it was between a plane ride to San Ajelo and a shower. Just a poor decision on L&P part IMO.

Yes!
I understand you guys! There is no doubt that your words are rational.
But you also understand the developer! After all, whatever he does, he cannot satisfy all requests and meet the tastes, interests and concepts of each of us! In any case, someone will always be dissatisfied with something.

It is much wiser to be condescending and forgive the developer for details that, for whatever reason, we personally do not like.
It is with this approach to AWAM and to the L&P itself that each of us will get more pleasure from the game as a whole, and not just some of its small part.

I think so.