Personally, I also think it is extremely unlikely that Liam would not notice anything from the person underwater from this perspective. But everyone can judge according to their personal opinion. It was much more important to me to realize that Sophia's reaction to the three different scenarios was also different in intensity. In this context I thought about different consequences for Sam the next day. But since we are starting a "new" game and I see the problems the developer will have with taking over the old saves, I don't think these scenarios will have any influence. Only that Sam picks up Elli may be taken into account later.Whatever you wanna call it.
I don't think it was unrealistic. How I view every scene is "is there any chance of this happening ?" If I get the answer yes I accept the scene. I am not here to try and reject everything I can. If there is a situation which can go either way, I'd rather believe in the side which makes the scene acceptable rather than taking the side that it is not. If there is a scene where I don't even see an ounce of possibility, I'll reject it.
Because even a remote chance of something being possible makes it realistic. And from all the stuff that one sees and hears these days, each and everyday you find something that you would never believe was true but it is.
Also if that part was unbelievable to you, you always have the other two options. They are just as canon as this one. You have options just so you can choose the one that you believe is the closest to realistic. So if you think hiding behind the tub was the best choice, that's your reality.
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The scene with Sam, a modified hot tub with some higher edges and Sophia could have hidden a football team 
Wasn't Sam just starting to learn swimming few days back?
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Yeah, sure the only guy in the game who is getting laid, lets give him more sexy scenes and with his daughter to top it off. Have they even spoke to each other in the game? Does he even know his daughters name? LOL. Ellie has plenty of choices of who she can hook up with
This is just one more scene that shows that (although Sophia is highly academic) she does not think quickly on her feet in social situations. The optimal solution in terms of hiding Sam would be to turn on the jets. Believe me, this would well conceal the submerged Sam from a short, casual inspection of the hot tub. I find Sophia's 'handicap' as the saving grace that allows me to suspend belief in many of the situations or spontaneous interactions she finds herself in.
I find this hot tub discussion has brought out many good points from the contributing members.
Thank you, Jack.
This was sometimes a problem with other developers, especially when they changed their game mechanics. Let's wait and see.
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All your decisions from AWAM1 will be transferred to AWAM2. A last update of AWAM1 will come where you'll be able to generate a .txt file at the end. Then you'll have to copy/paste it to AWAM2 and start a new game.
BTW I search for a Linux tester for this
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Not entirely true. Neil and Amber have sex at least once during the game.
But yeah, I don't see Liam/Ellie working for many of the same reasons as Dylan/Ellie - when Ellie dates guys it's to enhance her reputation. Fucking Liam doesn't do that and really would do the opposite. Especially when she has options like Aaron, Logan and Jules that can. And now with a car Sam is an option too.
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As a kid, who used to free dive for fish and held my breath, while swimming, for over two minutes and 30 feet down this idea of yours's is all very nice and unrealistic. Please note. No one starts learning to swim holding their breath under water. Sam did not, none of my kids, I did not. Where you came up with this is crap. Sam had a terrorized reaction mere days ago as he was learning to swim. He plays strings not a trumpet, sax or any other blow that really builds lung capacity. What his air capacity is is totally unknown. Further this is unplanned and he has no idea how long he is down let alone working the opportunity. Being a singer in breathable air is not the same as in unbreathable water. Again I suspend belief. You choose to seek to believe. Fine. Just say that and stop with total unbelievable conjecture. To be honest, I am having to suspend belief to read what you write sometimes.
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Most of us can. But if you're not specific as to which route you're interested in, you may end up with something like a GW route save, which will get you only the two Cathy events and one of the side jobs for the entire rest of the day.
Even my save would probably be useless to you, since it's lesbian route, and you're asking for the start of .130 and not the end, so presumably you're looking to play the Aiden and Dylan events
It will be indeed interesting to see if and how the three different scenarios will be taken into account the next day. There are actually two boolean variables that record the 3 choices plus a variable for Sam picking up Ellie for two of these scenarios
Python:
Day19_Liam_sees_Sam_jumping_over_the_wall
day19_Sophia_hid_Sam_in_hot_tub
day19_Sam_picked_up_Ellie_from_the_beachday19_Sophia_modeled_in_Aphrodite_dress), and then the other two possibilities, whether she let him touch the breast or not (day19_Sophia_accepts_Ares_breast_groper), which results in Aiden revealing it was him or not.Independently from the personal interest for each story line, I think it will be interesting to see how he is going to manage these different scenarios. Or not: we speculated a bit about Liam and Cathy and what happened in the dressing room but so far it only influenced one dialogue (at least so far).
One way to go when you start with a "new" version of the game is to directly ask the user about the previous choices every time it is necessary. It is a bit annoying especially if there are many choices involved but it is the relatively simplest way to manage the previous history in the new game. Many games adopted this approach.
I think the other possibility is to start with a short scene overlap from the latest update so that you can still load your save from the 0.150 to have all your history of choices. But for a new player it won't work. So he can even mix the two approaches.
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Yes, I agree & from what we can see of her face she looks stunning, with an absolutely charming smile. Whether her breasts will decrease after the baby is weened depends on a number of circumstances. [If she plays a lot of certain sports could be one factor]. I'm guessing she's in her mid- to late- twenties. I hope she never ends up looking top-heavy by the time she reaches 38 but above all I hope she doesn't suddenly inflate, as though an internal air-bag had been activated. I'll never wish that on any woman, (or man)!
Right. Most of LP's issues go back to never really getting help. Instead of quicker updates he is starting to force some action instead pacing it like he was when he started. There is hope however, but will believe it when I see it.
Its not run of the mill yet, but moving that direction. Dog
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I'm not sure action is being "forced", but in general Sophia doesn't act very consistent. I think it boils down to too many routes and characters to keep up with. She's at different stages of corruption with different people.
For example, a few updates ago, but technically just a day ago or so in game, she sat on the sybian machine. Right in front of her friend and had an orgasm from it. That is a very sexual thing to do.
She let her maid give her a very sexual massage. I don't recall what the previous buildup was, but regardless that is the most sexual thing she has done in regards to direct sexual contact with another person. (Not her husband)
She made-out with her sons BFF in the hot tub, and let him grope her. To be fair, he has previous buildup but she let that accelerate quite a bit in a single scene.
Yet at the same time, she didn't want to dance erotically with her sister at the concert. Mind you, directly after that the Sam scene happened. That doesn't make sense considering what else she has done recently. Erotic dancing is the least lewd thing she's done. She did that early on at the dance club or whatever it was.
I'm not even getting into the old men/kids stuff. That is closer to typical Sophia, being generally unaware of how perverted everyone is around her. Yet she still "helped" them with virtually no real push. The task event didn't make sense in general, I'm not sure how that is a "task". She seemed to genuinely enjoy it.
If you look at the gallery, and figure out where the events happened in the story. The sexual content is clearly getting more aggressive and regular. Which makes sense. You can't slow burn forever. Corruption is gradual, and it's like a snowball. The longer you roll it, the bigger it gets. And thus the quicker it goes down the hill. The issue is, as I said firstly, Sophia's "snowball" is different sizes with different people and it makes her behavior inconsistent.
For example, a few updates ago, but technically just a day ago or so in game, she sat on the sybian machine. Right in front of her friend and had an orgasm from it. That is a very sexual thing to do.
She let her maid give her a very sexual massage. I don't recall what the previous buildup was, but regardless that is the most sexual thing she has done in regards to direct sexual contact with another person. (Not her husband)
She made-out with her sons BFF in the hot tub, and let him grope her. To be fair, he has previous buildup but she let that accelerate quite a bit in a single scene.
Yet at the same time, she didn't want to dance erotically with her sister at the concert. Mind you, directly after that the Sam scene happened. That doesn't make sense considering what else she has done recently. Erotic dancing is the least lewd thing she's done. She did that early on at the dance club or whatever it was.
I'm not even getting into the old men/kids stuff. That is closer to typical Sophia, being generally unaware of how perverted everyone is around her. Yet she still "helped" them with virtually no real push. The task event didn't make sense in general, I'm not sure how that is a "task". She seemed to genuinely enjoy it.
If you look at the gallery, and figure out where the events happened in the story. The sexual content is clearly getting more aggressive and regular. Which makes sense. You can't slow burn forever. Corruption is gradual, and it's like a snowball. The longer you roll it, the bigger it gets. And thus the quicker it goes down the hill. The issue is, as I said firstly, Sophia's "snowball" is different sizes with different people and it makes her behavior inconsistent.
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While I genuinely enjoyed this event, I don't think that there has really been any buildup that would justify what happened in this scene. We've barely seen much of a conversation between Sophia and Nathalie up to this point, atleast nothing intimate enough to make this event seem realistic. I don't think Sophia secretly watching Nathalie masturbing in her bedroom counts here, even if Nathalie was aware of it, which she mentioned to Sophia in this scene. Also, Nathalie's new maid attire, while certainly very sexy, also seemed over the top. Sophia's reaction and casual acceptance right after didn't make it any more believable either, if you ask me.
But yeah, L&P can't keep the slow burn up forever, so I don't really mind it. Though I do agree that Sophia's corruption is in many cases a back and forth and very inconsistent considering previous events. I personally think L&P's biggest hickup storywise was the jerk-off session with two ~12 year old children. To me, that was extremely disappointing and an all-around terrible idea storywise, and it makes certain events now and in the near future seem very unrealistic, especially for those who decided to take the 2nd sidejob route.
Anyway... When the hell does this man start working on update 1 for PD13?!
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Have you ever been inside mini ponds. I have been going to them from my childhood since I had them at my native place. Now there is not enough space there to learn to swim but there was depth enough to submerge yourself in it. So I learnt how to breathe in water far before I learnt to swim.
When swimming one needs to be comfortable with breathing in water. You may have become a veteran so you don't understand that phase I believe. But take one if your friends who is not comfortable breathing in water to swimming. The biggest difficulty and fear for them will be that they can't breathe in water. The moment they submerge their face even for a second in water panic strikes.
In the first swimming lesson, by the end of it they are able to swim. If they had breathing issues in water they would never have been able to adapt to it so quickly, I hope you agree with this atleast. This only serves as evidence to me that they are able to do a decent job at holding their breaths. Plus I we don't know how much Sam practiced swimming in the past 6 days of the game.
One thing we do know is that on Day 17 he and Dylan were both good enough to take numerous laps across the pool. Which I don't think anyone with underwater breathing issues will be able to do. You didn't raise any questions back then about this. So I don't understand suddenly it becoming unacceptable for you.
The time period for which Sam was underwater was around a minute which isn't much. And it seems to me like you don't know but vocalists have to train their breath control because there are always songs in which breathing gaps are far in between, So if you would have to be hitting a high note then your voice will fall flat if you run out of breath. So Vocalists have good lung capacity.
And just you don't say that I am saying whatever comes to my mind. Here you go. This is just one of the 100's of results that you will find on this topic which support my argument.
Also I would also like to address the visibility inside the tub. I came across a render which can give us a good idea of how things look inside the tub from an outside perspective
From here we get to see the level of visibility inside the tub. We can hardly make out Sophia's legs even though she is standing. This shots angle is a lot higher than Liam's eye level. So what Liam sees is even less than we are seeing in this render. Because of a lower angle. Plus in this render Sophia is far away from the seating space. The closer we get to the seating space the more of a blind spot that becomes. I am not believing in something unbelievable, you just don't want to believe even though there is a good chance of it actually happening.
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It is fine because they were making out a few seconds ago. Who even knows what would have happen if Liam was not coming home.