VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.205] [Lust & Passion]

[kewlbigdan]

Sophia growing to enjoy the tasks is a natural outcome of the storyline. Since this is a game of corruption, it only makes sense that she will embrace her corruption as the game goes on. I know that sucks for fans of blackmail, but what other choice is there? If the tasks continue to get more extreme, and she continues to hate them, you start to get into a murky area around consent- and L&P has said that he won't include assault or rape content. So that means that Sophia has to begin to enjoy the tasks and willingly embrace them.

But this does leave the game in a weird place story wise. The conflict with Aiden has been well established, so to turn it 180 degrees will be jarring. The only way it works is if it's slow, and if it's slow then that means the tasks can't be very extreme. In fact they almost need to be mundane or repetitive, or in a safe environment. How many times can Aiden make her dress inappropriately to work before the audience is bored? And since much of the storyline's eroticism comes from the in-school environment, I don't think constantly having Sophia and Aiden meet outside of school is a good solution.

So what should L&P do?

1. The first thing I would do is recon the idea of 15 tasks and make the number undefined. You could still do 15 tasks, but give yourself a way out if you can't think of more than 5 good tasks.

2. If you do cut the tasks down, it leaves room for a new storyline with Aiden. A new storyline with Aiden could give L&P the flexibility to do new things with the character.

3. Use this new storyline to better integrate Aiden and school into the rest of the story. To me, Aiden and Sophia's job at the school have felt unnecessarily isolated from the rest of the story. I'd like to see them integrated into the rest of the story with more interactions with Zack, Dylan, and Ellie at school. Sophia's time at the school is a really big part of her life, so I'd like to see it incorporated in bigger ways to connect more of the characters. Specifically with Aiden, he could be used as a true antagonist towards Dylan and Zack. There is definitely a fetish out there if Sophia is sleeping with her son's bully.

4. Let's define Aiden and his motivation. I'd like to get a better sense of what motivates Aiden and his end game with Sophia. If he's better incorporated into the broader story, I think that gives L&P more time to develop his character and make him more interesting.

That's how I would tweak Aiden's story for the better.

Best way to handle Aiden's storyline is with the delete button.

 

[Bibifoc]

Is the gallery glitched? because even though I saw the gym shower and the massage scenes they didn't unlock. I know I can view them either way but it bugs me a bit that I saw them in my playthrough but they're still locked.

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On which platform do you play?
Can you post your "persistent" file?

 

[nexer]

Right off the bat with the next update, we'll find out why we (even those of us less interested in Aiden's path) will be interested in the development of Aiden's path. I think L&P has a well thought out story here. Anyway, there should be an understandable reason why I click "continue with the task".

I just wonder... if Dylan will soon no longer be the reason for blackmailing... will Sophia only do the tasks out of sheer horniness? Then it's not blackmailing anymore. The more she succumbs, Aiden won't have to force/ask her to do it anymore. She will do it gladly. Blackmailing?

Dylan will no longer be the reason, no blackmail, if we choose to ask Morello for help, and in order to do that it's mandatory that she show Larry her ass. It's a little weird, it means the less prude Sophia is, the easier it is to get rid of Aiden. I'd even go so far as to say the sluttier she is the easier she gets rid of Aiden.

 

[Hlextor]

Dylan will no longer be the reason, no blackmail, if we choose to ask Morello for help, and in order to do that it's mandatory that she show Larry her ass. It's a little weird, it means the less prude Sophia is, the easier it is to get rid of Aiden. I'd even go so far as to say the sluttier she is the easier she gets rid of Aiden.

She will most likely use Morello to finish the tasks in a "comfortable way," as L&P once called it. But she apparently has to make a thoughtful decision to do so. Larry? Could be.

What I'm getting at is, if she/we continues the tasks, Dylan may still be the reason in the 4th or 5th task. She will say that to herself as an alibi... but the more she succumbs to Aiden, Dylan no longer makes sense to see him as the reason for blackmailing her. She is then so depraved, that she loves to do the tasks.

 

[roro]

I was wondering about that because you never hear Ellie referenced as going to the same school. But I can't remember what the excuse was because she should go to the same school.

If I remember correctly, they tried to register Dylan to the same school with Ellie, but his grades were bad and he didn't qualify. I believe it is told during the game's introduction, when they're sitting in the airplane on their way to San-Alejo.

 

[hzjujk]

She will most likely use Morello to finish the tasks in a "comfortable way," as L&P once called it. But she apparently has to make a thoughtful decision to do so. Larry? Could be.

What I'm getting at is, if she/we continues the tasks, Dylan may still be the reason in the 4th or 5th task. She will say that to herself as an alibi... but the more she succumbs to Aiden, Dylan no longer makes sense to see him as the reason for blackmailing her. She is then so depraved, that she loves to do the tasks.

"She is then so depraved, that she loves to do the tasks."

Guys, I love it when someone writes sentences like that. The woman is blackmailed, she feels polluted and humiliated at the moment. My / our decisions have brought Sophia this far and will continue to do so. But now someone writes she is "depraved" because at some point she enjoys the sex that has to be done during the chores. We don't want to see that Sophia resists, that's why we lead her deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole, and if she is exactly the person we always wanted and fulfills our wishes then we call the woman "depraved". Folks, I know that this is not a forum that fights for the rights of women but when I read such sentences I throw up - and disagree.

 

[Atton563]

If I remember correctly, they tried to register Dylan to the same school with Ellie, but his grades were bad and he didn't qualify. I believe it is told during the game's introduction, when they're sitting in the airplane on their way to San-Alejo.

I thought it was because Ellie was a cheerleader and her school has the best team in the city.

 

[Kronos405]

On which platform do you play?
Can you post your "persistent" file?

I use PC and I honestly don't know what the persistent file is. Is that just the log where the .exe is?

 

[Bibifoc]

I use PC and I honestly don't know what the persistent file is. Is that just the log where the .exe is?

Just a file named "persistent" you'll find in your "saves" folder.

 

[Alley_Cat]

I thought it was because Ellie was a cheerleader and her school has the best team in the city.

I believe in the scene with Patricia in the park it's mentioned that in terms of athleticism, it's Ellie, then Sophia, Patricia, Dylan then Liam.

So her skills as a cheerleader also were a factor in getting into the ideal school

 

[Kronos405]

Just a file named "persistent" you'll find in your "saves" folder.

lol this is probably annoying for you but it's not letting me post it here or do I just gotta compress it using 7zip to send it here?

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

I believe in the scene with Patricia in the park it's mentioned that in terms of athleticism, it's Ellie, then Sophia, Patricia, Dylan then Liam.

So her skills as a cheerleader also were a factor in getting into the ideal school

I wonder if, in hindsight, it was a missed opportunity for L&P to send Ellie to a different school. I don't mean this as another complaint, just a 20/20 hindsight sort of thing.

 

[Bibifoc]

lol this is probably annoying for you but it's not letting me post it here or do I just gotta compress it using 7zip to send it here?

Damn you're right. An extension is required. You can add a .txt extension for example or you can zip it.

 

[lockerxx]

I wonder if, in hindsight, it was a missed opportunity for L&P to send Ellie to a different school. I don't mean this as another complaint, just a 20/20 hindsight sort of thing.

maybe L&P didn´t do that for plot.aidan tasks

 

[Kronos405]

Damn you're right. An extension is required. You can add a .txt extension for example or you can zip it.

Ok I just zipped it View attachment persistent.zip

 

[Hlextor]

"She is then so depraved, that she loves to do the tasks."

Guys, I love it when someone writes sentences like that. The woman is blackmailed, she feels polluted and humiliated at the moment. My / our decisions have brought Sophia this far and will continue to do so. But now someone writes she is "depraved" because at some point she enjoys the sex that has to be done during the chores. We don't want to see that Sophia resists, that's why we lead her deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole, and if she is exactly the person we always wanted and fulfills our wishes then we call the woman "depraved". Folks, I know that this is not a forum that fights for the rights of women but when I read such sentences I throw up - and disagree.

Hey, bleib mal locker Landsmann! That's just a guess. You seem to have forgotten that I'm not writing the story. It's just my personal reflection on how things might go with Sophia. Du kannst aufhören zu kotzen.

 

[nexer]

On the first task it was obvious, on the other two Aiden asked if she liked it. He seems interested to get an answer. And I think he will.

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[ancienregimele]

The other choice is that Sophia increasingly actually enjoys the tasks and takes control of how the tasks run and who she interacts with. Sophia is not dominated, she dominates. But that's also something that blackmail fans won't like.

I would hate it so much that I'd stop playing the route. Better to end it via the Don. Dominatrix-lite is something I hope we never see with Sophia. "Feisty" women have been a cinematic trope for 30+ years & it's become predictable, badly-written, charmless & boring. It feels obligatory & a way of compensating for the previous 70 years, IMO. (I had my doubts on this score when she got to keep the bike leathers but I suppose some role-play with Liam wouldn't "hurt" too much).

Those who want Sophia to be less on the receiving end of other people's attentions could find a way forward if she were to be the one initiating a relationship, or a development in an existing one. Sophia choosing when to be more assertive seems more in keeping with the realism aspect to me. There are already hints of this in the narrative.

 

[ancienregimele]

And, I like what @GingerSweetGirl said about the school events feeling disconnected from the rest of the story

It's not completely disconnected. If you play the scene with Sophia & Alyssa in the cafe, Alyssa informs Sophia that Zac has told her about her friend's braless look in class. Sophia's reaction is nice.

 

[Talcum Powder]

It's not completely disconnected. If you play the scene with Sophia & Alyssa in the cafe, Alyssa informs Sophia that Zac has told her about her friend's braless look in class. Sophia's reaction is nice.

I was thinking more like events at the school could be more tied into the daily lives of others rather than referred to outside of it and after.

And it’s a fair point about Ellie going to a different school - totally unnecessary. Just put her in the “Honors Program” which many American High Schools feature, especially those having more upper middle class students. Hell, put the soccer team and the cheerleading squad at the same school too: shots of Ellie annoyed that she has to cheer when Dylan scores or something. (I know that American soccer teams, school based or otherwise, don’t usually have cheerleaders at the games, but nor do Americans tune in for Super Bowl Saturday so whatever).