VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.205] [Lust & Passion]

[hzjujk]

I would hate it so much that I'd stop playing the route. Better to end it via the Don. Dominatrix-lite is something I hope we never see with Sophia. "Feisty" women have been a cinematic trope for 30+ years & it's become predictable, badly-written, charmless & boring. It feels obligatory & a way of compensating for the previous 70 years, IMO. (I had my doubts on this score when she got to keep the bike leathers but I suppose some role-play with Liam wouldn't "hurt" too much).

Those who want Sophia to be less on the receiving end of other people's attentions could find a way forward if she were to be the one initiating a relationship, or a development in an existing one. Sophia choosing when to be more assertive seems more in keeping with the realism aspect to me. There are already hints of this in the narrative.

I just wonder how Sophia gets from here to there.


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How is that supposed to work that Sophia "enjoys" tasks actively involved in the Aiden without breaking her will. Corruption alone? Nice idea, but also an immature fantasy.

When I speak of a dominant Sophia I mean something like this. Aiden forces Sophia to do a lap dance in a bar. Aiden puts himself in a position where he believes he is 100% the beneficiary. Sophia also begins with Aiden, does not allow himself to be touched by him, but then continues with a randomly chosen person and allows this person to be touched.
It's not about the whip-wielding dominatrix, it's just about Sophia having to feel like she has to outsmart her blackmailer in order to enjoy the event and to be curious about the next task.

 

[nexer]

All this talk about Aiden and his plans for Sophia makes me wonder if Jenny is going to play a role in the future. I can see a scenario where he brings Jenny into the mix as a way to further corrupt and humiliate Sophia. Perhaps it's a voyeuristic thing, maybe it's sex, but I think it makes a lot of sense that this won't start strictly between Sophia and Aiden.

Yeap, I see the possibility of Sophia witnessing very erotic or sexual scenes out of Aiden's desire to wring confirmation from Sophia that she likes and even enjoys the situations he puts her in.
Anyone around Aiden could be involved. Let's not forget that Jenny wants to marry a rich man, which is said in front of the class with Aiden present. Their relationship could be .... complex.

 

[nexer]

I just wonder how Sophia gets from here to there.

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How is that supposed to work that Sophia "enjoys" tasks actively involved in the Aiden without breaking her will. Corruption alone? Nice idea, but also an immature fantasy.

When I speak of a dominant Sophia I mean something like this. Aiden forces Sophia to do a lap dance in a bar. Aiden puts himself in a position where he believes he is 100% the beneficiary. Sophia also begins with Aiden, does not allow himself to be touched by him, but then continues with a randomly chosen person and allows this person to be touched.
It's not about the whip-wielding dominatrix, it's just about Sophia having to feel like she has to outsmart her blackmailer in order to enjoy the event and to be curious about the next task.

Sophia's reaction is still strong, but it's the first time he's touched her. After the second touch, that is after the 4th task, we'll see

 

[Sabertooth__]

Since Playable Day 12 is over I thought it would be nice to rank every event of the day based on how much I enjoyed it and how well done and presented they were.

1. Aiden's 3rd Task, Art Class - Personally this was an absolute standout event. Not only in how much it pushed Sophia but the entire setup, art, complex dialogues, eroticism. Making this my 2nd most favourite event of the entire game.

2. Nathalie's Erotic Massage - Didn't expect much from this event but surprisingly it surpassed all my expectations. One of the hottest events of the game and my 3rd favourite scene of the entire game.

3. Ellie's Masturbation Lesson - Mother Daughter masturbation was undoubtedly the highlight.

4. Larry Prison Visit - The event somehow built an atmosphere that felt quite sexually charged throughout. Though just exchange of words but maybe the prisoner factor added something to it and last bit from Sophia was unexpected.

5. Relaxing with Sam in Jacuzzi - The event is in it's totality is likeable, once again it sees Sophia taking a big step. A decently well handled event in my opinion.

6. Jogging with Dylan - For the most part the event didn't really have any sexual stuff going on and the initial conversation was something not to my taste. The uplifting factor being there was good progress in my opinion.

7. Suprising Liam, Office Sex - It is a good event. The only reason why it's so low here is because it doesn't really have that much of a forbidden factor to it. Husband wife sex really needs to done exceptionally well in these games for it to make an impact. But it's a pretty good event.

8. 1st Side Job, Bathing Old Men - The visuals at times were really pleasing ( and just as traumatizing at times ) The event was nicely written.

9. Sauna with Vicky and Deshawn - Very lackluster for the most part.

10. Sam's Concert - Took a huge amount of development time but really isn't anything special in terms of content. Just an elaborate setup which can be praised for its artistic effort.

11. 2nd Side Job, Anatomy Lesson - Dragged out in the initial part. The content of the storyline totally rushed. The plot points were setup previously but never emphasized on. A pretty lazy effort in terms of progressing the storyline.

12. Dylan Teaches Christine Basketball - Christine though hot is not enough to make this good. It is just a event to setup for the future events and felt unnecessarily long.

13. Cathy's Apartment - Just like the idea of how swinging was introduced without making them a swinger couple out of nowhere. Other than that the event lacked renders and proper conversation

14. Bridal Dress for Cathy - Nothing to say. Just didn't care for it.

15. Dylan and Emma - The entire substance of the even takes place off screen. We hardly see anything. Not really worth being called an event I would say.

So these are my thoughts on all events of the day and the order in which I liked them.

 

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The threat comes from payment platforms and it is serious. The Pornhub case is an example.
As for this game, mandatory to change the name of the game (already done: DoL) and even the names of the characters in DoL. And the other game should not have any connection (internal links) with Patreon.
The risk is there, but it would mean that the payment platforms would become patrons and get the login.

Ofc it comes from the payment processors. Any serious payment processor wants to steer clear from this kind of stuff.
Changing names won't do shit when someone from Patreon actually takes 5 minutes to look into it. If L&P was smart he would be passing everyone he could to subscribestar. He's on borrowed time.

 

[Hlextor]

How is that supposed to work that Sophia "enjoys" tasks actively involved in the Aiden without breaking her will. Corruption alone? Nice idea, but also an immature fantasy.

Yes, I don't understand it either. We have two tasks 3 scenarios. One with and one without the knowledge or participation of Aiden. I always thought we need two saves for the 4th task. But he denied it.
We start the 4th task with both scenarios. I assumed that with Aiden involved, Sophia would finish the tasks. Because she is disgusted, etc.
And without Aiden, that she will continue because she didn't think it was horrible and it was an exciting experience for her. And she thinks the other tasks will be exciting for her too. But that doesn't seem to be true either.
With Aiden, she became even more corrupt. So I don't think L&P is going to make a difference whether we end the task in one scenario or move on.

 

[nexer]

Ofc it comes from the payment processors. Any serious payment processor wants to steer clear from this kind of stuff.
Changing names won't do shit when someone from Patreon actually takes 5 minutes to look into it. If L&P was smart he would be passing everyone he could to subscribestar. He's on borrowed time.

There are two parts: Master/Visa/AE/.../PP and Patreon on one side and Patreon/L&P on the other. From Patreon we are talking about a BtoB transfer.
The prudes we find between Master/Visa/AE .... which, I believe, have long belonged to interest groups.
This is where crypto will hit hard, avoiding control.

 

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There are two parts: Master/Visa/AE/.../PP and Patreon on one side and Patreon/L&P on the other. From Patreon we are talking about a BtoB transfer.
The prudes we find between Master/Visa/AE .... which, I believe, have long belonged to interest groups.
This is where crypto will hit hard, avoiding control.

I wish it was like that but that's not the case anymore. Crypto payment processors -good ones (meaning the ones these platforms choose to associate with) - comply with AML5, these platforms will have the same issues with them.
Someone needs to do a whole platform + crypto payment processor in some remote island where "no one" can touch in order not to have any issues else these platforms will do the same everytime.

Open
Advertise like mad
"We're cool with your material dont worry"
Fast forward a few years when they're big and full of cash
"Oh we're not cool with that any more"
Ban "ilegal" content creators
Stay with the legit ones

 

[nexer]

Yes, I don't understand it either. We have two tasks 3 scenarios. One with and one without the knowledge or participation of Aiden. I always thought we need two saves for the 4th task. But he denied it.
We start the 4th task with both scenarios. I assumed that with Aiden involved, Sophia would finish the tasks. Because she is disgusted, etc.
And without Aiden, that she will continue because she didn't think it was horrible and it was an exciting experience for her. And she thinks the other tasks will be exciting for her too. But that doesn't seem to be true either.
With Aiden, she became even more corrupt. So I don't think L&P is going to make a difference whether we end the task in one scenario or move on.

We have something similar in Larry's case. Something more will be, i.e. Aiden Yes/No.
It's something that has to have an explanation: stockings that you can't see she's wearing, but Sophia will have to prove she's wearing them.

 

[nexer]

I wish it was like that but that's not the case anymore. Crypto payment processors -good ones (meaning the ones these platforms choose to associate with) - comply with AML5, these platforms will have the same issues with them.
Someone needs to do a whole platform + crypto payment processor in some remote island where "no one" can touch in order not to have any issues else these platforms will do the same everytime.

Open
Advertise like mad
"We're cool with your material dont worry"
Fast forward a few years when they're big and full of cash
"Oh we're not cool with that any more"
Ban "ilegal" content creators
Stay with the legit ones

Let me see if I understand. A patron pays using a payment processor, but payment is made to the Patreon account. So, Patreon doesn't want his name attached to ... stuff. This is a preventative measure because if payment processors had asked for this, SubscriberStar would have been blocked long ago

How do you avoid suspicions? By avoiding links and the name used on their platform, first step. And second, sensitive content should not appear on any platform.

As for Patreon, you're right, but I think they'll turn a blind eye if it's not too shrill.

 

[xxxorro]

Yes, I don't understand it either. We have two tasks 3 scenarios. One with and one without the knowledge or participation of Aiden. I always thought we need two saves for the 4th task. But he denied it.
We start the 4th task with both scenarios. I assumed that with Aiden involved, Sophia would finish the tasks. Because she is disgusted, etc.
And without Aiden, that she will continue because she didn't think it was horrible and it was an exciting experience for her. And she thinks the other tasks will be exciting for her too. But that doesn't seem to be true either.
With Aiden, she became even more corrupt. So I don't think L&P is going to make a difference whether we end the task in one scenario or move on.

This is actually one of the interesting things of the next update (at least for me). There are actually 3 outcomes for the 3rd task, the two you mentioned and the one in which she refuses to pose as Aphrodite, and for that we don't have particular reactions from Sophia's inner thoughts.

And you are right, it seems that the more Sophia gets corrupted in the tasks the more she resents Aiden. Combining the outcomes of Larry's visit, would it be possible that the Morello's way out is given only if (i) she got the max filthy points during the 3rd task AND (ii) she got to the point with Larry that Don Morello feels that he owns Sophia (i.e. she showed at least her breasts to Larry)? Like the 4th task will be the classic last straw and being so resentful she has, if available, the Morello card to play?

But even so then the issue will be only postponed to the next tasks: first of all for those that don't choose to play the Morello's card then I expect some rationalisation (ok, she might be afraid to be entangled with the mafia) and then in the next tasks how the different level of anger towards Aiden will be taken into account? Just incidental different dialogues or even a sort of quick merge into a single path (lazy solution)? I don't think there will be different sub-paths inside the Aiden path (let me rephrase, I don't want different sub-paths! )

Another possibility is that you don't have a choice to ask Morello's help if the two conditions are met, it will automatically end the tasks. People won't be happy about that, I guess, it would be a sort of game over for having gone too far too quickly. (I'm just trying to turn all the stones here, not saying or wishing it will be like this)

In any case it will be interesting to see how everything will play out in terms of this possibilities, always hoping that it won't make the game too complex, for the player and the dev (my personal taste).

Finally, I don't know if it is a kind of pattern, but in this PD we already have 3 events that has 3 different outcomes that potentially influence future events:

1. Larry's, has multiple outcomes according to the points you get (max 10) but they are grouped into 3 major outcomes when it comes to Don Morello's offer to Sophia
   
   Spoiler: here they are from an old post of mine

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2. Aiden's 3rd task, as discussed
3. Sam's event, when it comes to hide him (inside or behind the bathtub) or make him run for the wall. This is not the topic of discussion atm but, again, it will be interesting to see what happens in the next event based on those choices.

 

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Let me see if I understand. A patron pays using a payment processor, but payment is made to the Patreon account. So, Patreon doesn't want his name attached to ... stuff. This is a preventative measure because if payment processors had asked for this, SubscriberStar would have been blocked long ago

How do you avoid suspicions? By avoiding links and the name used on their platform, first step. And second, sensitive content should not appear on any platform.

As for Patreon, you're right, but I think they'll turn a blind eye if it's not too shrill.

I don't think SS uses paypal, which is the "worst" in these kind of things.

Suspicions, maybe. But I doubt PS was flagged because of a suspicion, pretty sure someone got revenge and reported it because he cut off pirates. It's quite easy to bring all of these creators (adult ones with topics that arent too family-friendly) off of patreon, obviously no need to get into detail here so no one gets bad ideas and then no more AWAM. Once Patreon knows, its in their records and they cant turn a blind eye. That's another problem. IF L&P is reading this, diverge your subs to SS asap because I doubt Patreon will end their crusade on PS and the other creator I don't remember the name..

 

[nexer]

I wish it was like that but that's not the case anymore. Crypto payment processors -good ones (meaning the ones these platforms choose to associate with) - comply with AML5, these platforms will have the same issues with them.
Someone needs to do a whole platform + crypto payment processor in some remote island where "no one" can touch in order not to have any issues else these platforms will do the same everytime.

Open
Advertise like mad
"We're cool with your material dont worry"
Fast forward a few years when they're big and full of cash
"Oh we're not cool with that any more"
Ban "ilegal" content creators
Stay with the legit ones

Wait a minute. I choose to pay from my wallet to the Patreon wallet an amount in crypto. I use a payment processor. How does this Crypto payment processors know that the destination account is Patreon's?

 

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Wait a minute. I choose to pay from my wallet to the Patreon wallet an amount in crypto. I use a payment processor. How does this Crypto payment processors know that the destination account is Patreon's?

As a company/merchant you're obliged to KYC under AML. All your wallets are identified (and usually the wallet address is provided by the processor, not the merchant). Those companies then need to settle the crypto for fiat etc etc. All of that works like in regular finance. The money can't just come "out of nowhere".

On the other hand, as a customer, you'll only need to KYC on certain merchants if you pass a certain $fiat threshold so that wouldnt be an issue for you specificaly but Patreon would still have the same issues.

 

[nexer]

As a company/merchant you're obliged to KYC under AML. All your wallets are identified (and usually the wallet address is provided by the processor, not the merchant). Those companies then need to settle the crypto for fiat etc etc. All of that works like in regular finance. The money can't just come "out of nowhere".

On the other hand, as a customer, you'll only need to KYC on certain merchants if you pass a certain $fiat threshold so that wouldnt be an issue for you specificaly but Patreon would still have the same issues.

I didn't know about the company/merchant. In this case, can I ask why crypto?

 

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I didn't know about the company/merchant. In this case, can I ask why crypto?

The money you have in the bank is "yours". You can get your account closed, seized etc.
With crypto, if you're the only one with the seed, that can't happen. (Which isn't the case of these merchants, unless they withdraw the crypto to one of their wallets)
Regarding Patreon, the only way it would work was if they never intended to sell that crypto for fiat. That way they could do whatever they want and they could just make their payment processor that abides by 0 rules.

On a side note, regarding AML, anyone using crypto for ilicit stuff is an idiot, its as easy to track as in trad finance. Cash is still king for shitty practices, which just makes it hilarious when sub 80 iq politicians talk about crypto and money laundering.

 

[Bane71]

Wait a minute. I choose to pay from my wallet to the Patreon wallet an amount in crypto. I use a payment processor. How does this Crypto payment processors know that the destination account is Patreon's?

If a game developer uses his personal bitcoin wallet to receive support from patrons in cryptocurrency, while not using any third-party platforms, then I do not see any difficulties and problems for this.
Patrons who are holders of cryptocurrencies can transfer funds to the developer's personal wallet. This operation is similar to how you give someone cash from hand to hand, bypassing the bank.
Those who do not have cryptocurrencies can support the developer without any problems, for this you just need to make a purchase of cryptocurrencies in an online exchanger and specify the developer's wallet to receive cryptocurrencies when buying.

That is, the use of cryptocurrency allows you to remove the intermediary between the developer and the patrons. To do this, the developer only needs to create his wallet and specify it somewhere publicly.

 

[nexer]

Thanks guys, ViperDonkey and Bane71, very interesting.

 

[yourmomma]

but money can be created out of nothing ... every bank does it with a small house loan, the financial crisis 2008, for example, would have been easy to solve, at least in theory,,, and in Europe or Speziel Germany is money on your account is no longer your money but the bank, (there is a law, the name or the pharagraph I would have to search first) ,,,,, (amateurs rob a bank, the real criminals found a bank greetings

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Tell me you don't understand currency without telling me you don't understand currency,

 

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If a game developer uses his personal bitcoin wallet to receive support from patrons in cryptocurrency, while not using any third-party platforms, then I do not see any difficulties and problems for this.
Patrons who are holders of cryptocurrencies can transfer funds to the developer's personal wallet. This operation is similar to how you give someone cash from hand to hand, bypassing the bank.
Those who do not have cryptocurrencies can support the developer without any problems, for this you just need to make a purchase of cryptocurrencies in an online exchanger and specify the developer's wallet to receive cryptocurrencies when buying.

That is, the use of cryptocurrency allows you to remove the intermediary between the developer and the patrons. To do this, the developer only needs to create his wallet and specify it somewhere publicly.

The difficulty is the loss of the perks that patron provides.
The second difficulty is having to prove source of funds to get that money in the bank (although he can just say he does graphic design but most exchanges are now asking for proof, website etc). It's not an easy situation to implement and get the same revenue because most people that use patreon do it because of paypal.

Everyone knows that crypto eliminates the middle-men, but at what cost, in terms of functionality? Again L&P should start getting the most of his 1800 patrons to SubscribeStar, because if they got PS, it's only a matter of time until they get him too and better be safe than sorry.