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Summer’s GoneHi
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I understand those who like this route, but personally I consider it as a relationship between a boy and a MILF, not concentrating on the fact that it's mom and son.If you go in this route !!![]()
Also maybe in the near ... It could happen Ah !!
Can't wait for this event" Please with all due respect if you are not into this event Look away I thank you and don't comment"
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Yes, there was his answer to the question where he mentioned the month of April. As usual, no one believed him.Hey guys,was there really a post on Patreon,the update can be out in April?
Or I was hallucinating?
So again, not to take away from Dylan enthusiasts, just posting my own personal thoughts.Anything that leads to more complications in the immediate surroundings of Sophia can ultimately make the story more interesting.
I like your comments, they are relevant. To improve this mechanics of character relationships on different routes, L&P needs helpers. I think it's just very difficult for one person to cope with the whole mass of tasks, and that's why we see various shortcomings.So again, not to take away from Dylan enthusiasts, just posting my own personal thoughts.
If we're sticking with side story idea then they should be more spread out, right now Dylan is the character the story has focused on the most other than Sophia, and two of Sophia's story's are also directly tied to Dylan. If the PoV is going to switch to other characters, maybe have shorter side stories for all of Sophia's family members; Liam, Dylan, Patricia, and Ellie can all have short little side stories we could cut to, to help influence their characters a bit. I'm not a particularly huge fan of this idea, but for other people that aren't as into Dylan then it makes thing bareable.
There are more creative ways for complications to arrise, while still keeping the focus on Sophia. For example Liam. If Sophia primarily ignores him, he gets that lustful look during the wedding gown scene and we can make a choice for him. Have more of those little flit aways. That's a good way of still influencing the others and how their stories are playing out, while keeping the story primarily focused on Sophia.
Or add in some more variables like Dylan cuck and Ellie Bitch so that the choices Sophia makes influence the behavior of the other characters. Then we only have to leave Sophia for a couple of renders just to get the implication that whether Sophia is intending it or not, she's influecing Dylan / Liam into Cuckholdry or swinging or whatever other variable. An example for this is Dylan; say a couple of times in part one Sophia will be doing something with Dylan then switch to Sam as soon as he enters the picture. This causes Dylan to start building those cuckhold points, so when we get the to scene with Claire at the salon, if Dylan has lets say > 5 cuckhold he won't say anything when he catches Devon staring, but if it's between 2 and 5 he'll mention it, but avert his eyes or otherwise show some sort of submissiveness to Devon, < 2 and he'll jump up and be angry that Devon is perving. All of that can be done without ever giving Dylan PoV. Same for Ellie and Patricia have a couple different variables for them as well let them have a bitch variable and lesbian variable for example.
L&P is clearly very talented, and I would even say enthusiastic even if perhaps that's not the general consensus on this site. I think he could just use a person to bounce ideas off of, or to help keep the story a little more focused. It's always good to have a sounding board or two, espcially when creative works start to become larger in scope like AWAM has. Perhaps he already has these, I don't know what L&P's methodology is so I can't really speak one way or the other. If he is entirely by himself, aside from a translator, then he may not even realize how far the focus has shifted.I like your comments, they are relevant. To improve this mechanics of character relationships on different routes, L&P needs helpers. I think it's just very difficult for one person to cope with the whole mass of tasks, and that's why we see various shortcomings.
Ellie has "several" events on PD16, then 7 events after that, and no word after PD21. Dylan has 11 days with events from now until PD29, we don't know how many. With 2 or 3 per day, he could easily double Ellie's future events.L&P is clearly very talented, and I would even say enthusiastic even if perhaps that's not the general consensus on this site. I think he could just use a person to bounce ideas off of, or to help keep the story a little more focused. It's always good to have a sounding board or two, espcially when creative works start to become larger in scope like AWAM has. Perhaps he already has these, I don't know what L&P's methodology is so I can't really speak one way or the other. If he is entirely by himself, aside from a translator, then he may not even realize how far the focus has shifted.
I don't follow him on Patreon so I don't know what his feedback looks like, I'm only making my case based on what I see in this forum. Maybe the majority of his Patreons are encouraging more Dylan content like what we've been getting. Certainly seems that way based on the polls that keep getting screenshots posted here. Ellie got a pretty decent chunk of story dedicated to her right before part one ended, so maybe it will come back around, or switch to Patricia. I don't know what the roadmap looks like.
This is outrageous.i figured you've more exited about Mr. Murray popularity
If he decide to add more MC(Ellie,Patricia,Liam) there is no way he ever will finish the game.So again, not to take away from Dylan enthusiasts, just posting my own personal thoughts.
If we're sticking with side story idea then they should be more spread out, right now Dylan is the character the story has focused on the most other than Sophia, and two of Sophia's story's are also directly tied to Dylan. If the PoV is going to switch to other characters, maybe have shorter side stories for all of Sophia's family members; Liam, Dylan, Patricia, and Ellie can all have short little side stories we could cut to, to help influence their characters a bit. I'm not a particularly huge fan of this idea, but for other people that aren't as into Dylan then it makes thing bareable.
There are more creative ways for complications to arrise, while still keeping the focus on Sophia. For example Liam. If Sophia primarily ignores him, he gets that lustful look during the wedding gown scene and we can make a choice for him. Have more of those little flit aways. That's a good way of still influencing the others and how their stories are playing out, while keeping the story primarily focused on Sophia.
Or add in some more variables like Dylan cuck and Ellie Bitch so that the choices Sophia makes influence the behavior of the other characters. Then we only have to leave Sophia for a couple of renders just to get the implication that whether Sophia is intending it or not, she's influecing Dylan / Liam into Cuckholdry or swinging or whatever other variable. An example for this is Dylan; say a couple of times in part one Sophia will be doing something with Dylan then switch to Sam as soon as he enters the picture. This causes Dylan to start building those cuckhold points, so when we get the to scene with Claire at the salon, if Dylan has lets say > 5 cuckhold he won't say anything when he catches Devon staring, but if it's between 2 and 5 he'll mention it, but avert his eyes or otherwise show some sort of submissiveness to Devon, < 2 and he'll jump up and be angry that Devon is perving. All of that can be done without ever giving Dylan PoV. Same for Ellie and Patricia have a couple different variables for them as well let them have a bitch variable and lesbian variable for example.
Isn't that obvious? In my opinion, the title already sets the scene here. Sophia is described from the perspective of a wife and mother. Therefore, if you want to keep the story tight, the 2nd main character should come from the close family. That leaves Liam, Dylan and Ellie.Why Dylan though? There is the same potential for storytelling if there was a scene from Ellie's POV. Or Sam's, or Patricia's.
Except that a 2nd MC isn't necessary at allIsn't that obvious? In my opinion, the title already sets the scene here. Sophia is described from the perspective of a wife and mother. Therefore, if you want to keep the story tight, the 2nd main character should come from the close family. That leaves Liam, Dylan and Ellie.
With Liam as a 2nd main, the story would have gotten a strong NTR impact. With Dylan as 2nd main there exists the possibility to take over the voyeuristic part from NTR and use his charakter to strengthen the incest story. Dylan is just more versatile here.
With Ellie as a 2nd main, the story would have two main characters who are rather reserved at the beginning of the game in focus of the player's perspective. She would have been more or less just a copy of Sophia only in a different generation. Especially when you look at the combinations with Dylan (i.e. Sophia/Dylan and Ellie/Dylan), Dylan is clearly the better choice here, as he is the driving force in this storylines and really brings in a different point of view.
BTW, the setting of Sam being a strong character is, in my opinion, very beneficial to the story. However, his strength for the story is built on him not being the son, but only a possible opponent or ally to the son. Otherwise his roles are arbitrary and could be taken over by other characters. Ultimately, Sam is the best example of why a story gains depth when with characters that are closely interwoven. Once Dylan gains knowledge of the relationship between Sophia and Sam, there is little choice but for the story itself to become more dynamic.
With this justification, you could even declare the game itself unnecessary. Ultimately, it's all about how you tell a story in an exciting way. Dylan as a charakter in the game and the 2nd main, adds depth to the story. L&P has really found a very successful combination here. What is too much in the game are all the side stories, which set up the stage far too broadly and only distract from the main story.Except that a 2nd MC isn't necessary at all
If someone does not like Dylan or thinks he is taking too much away from other paths that they like, like the lesbian path, then the next year RL will be frustrating (not that the prior few years have not been frustrating for most of us with the increasingly SLOOOOW development time).Ellie has "several" events on PD16, then 7 events after that, and no word after PD21. Dylan has 11 days with events from now until PD29, we don't know how many. With 2 or 3 per day, he could easily double Ellie's future events.
So again, not to take away from Dylan enthusiasts, just posting my own personal thoughts.
If we're sticking with side story idea then they should be more spread out, right now Dylan is the character the story has focused on the most other than Sophia, and two of Sophia's story's are also directly tied to Dylan. If the PoV is going to switch to other characters, maybe have shorter side stories for all of Sophia's family members; Liam, Dylan, Patricia, and Ellie can all have short little side stories we could cut to, to help influence their characters a bit. I'm not a particularly huge fan of this idea, but for other people that aren't as into Dylan then it makes thing bareable.
There are more creative ways for complications to arrise, while still keeping the focus on Sophia. For example Liam. If Sophia primarily ignores him, he gets that lustful look during the wedding gown scene and we can make a choice for him. Have more of those little flit aways. That's a good way of still influencing the others and how their stories are playing out, while keeping the story primarily focused on Sophia.
Or add in some more variables like Dylan cuck and Ellie Bitch so that the choices Sophia makes influence the behavior of the other characters. Then we only have to leave Sophia for a couple of renders just to get the implication that whether Sophia is intending it or not, she's influecing Dylan / Liam into Cuckholdry or swinging or whatever other variable. An example for this is Dylan; say a couple of times in part one Sophia will be doing something with Dylan then switch to Sam as soon as he enters the picture. This causes Dylan to start building those cuckhold points, so when we get the to scene with Claire at the salon, if Dylan has lets say > 5 cuckhold he won't say anything when he catches Devon staring, but if it's between 2 and 5 he'll mention it, but avert his eyes or otherwise show some sort of submissiveness to Devon, < 2 and he'll jump up and be angry that Devon is perving. All of that can be done without ever giving Dylan PoV. Same for Ellie and Patricia have a couple different variables for them as well let them have a bitch variable and lesbian variable for example.
No-one is saying that the Dylan route is a side story. What I (and perhaps others) am saying is that content that doesn't have an effect on Sophia, like the Dylan/Amber path or the side jobs, can be easily dropped. Particularly since we're looking at 30+ years until the game is finished. Then perhaps the idea could be revisited, like the Coach Sophia storyline.That some see the Dylan story as a kind of side story is completely incomprehensible to me. The title of the game itself indicates that Sophia is shown in her role as a wife and mother, which clearly also brings Liam, Dylan and Ellie into focus. You could see quite well that L&P had planned a wider content for Liam as well, at least in the beginning. He even had a story part from his perspective (as a 3rd main charater) in the game. However, if you look at the polls, Lima didn't catch on with the players that well. Dylan and Ellie on the other hand, are popular with the players, which makes Dylan as a 2nd main, the perfect choice. Dylan simply brings the most depth, for content that many of the players obviously find very interesting.
Also, in the story up to this point, Sophia is one of the most inactive characters I've seen. She shows zero initiative and just drifts along with the influences that strike on her from the outside. It is the characters around her that drive the story forward (and unfortunately often have to force it, like in the Aiden story line). Therefore, if anything, it's more fitting that Dylan chooses a observer role from his own impulse.
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L&P has chosen a really good approach here, because he really allows the player to see more depth in the story with Dylan's point of view. I, at least, hope that L&P will continue to build on this idea and thus develop a real dynamic in the game. Even Dylans perspective on the events between Sophia and Sam will be an enrichment, i think. It doesn't matter whether the two act as opponents or allies. The key is that it creates complications that make the story interesting.
In the backseat of Sam's car.it's very interesting to me that not a single person can answer the question I previously asked, like specifically where Sophia should have sex with someone not named Liam in the AWAM story.
I totally agree with you that AWAM needs more focus on the main story line. It's just that for me, besides Sophia also Dylan and Ellie are a part of the main story. They are the charakters of whom Sophia is the mother in AWAM. It makes sense to know their interconnections with characters who also have a relationship with Sophia. Dylan/Amber is a perfect example for that. Especially the symmetry between the two and the relationship between Sophia/Sam gives so much depth to the story that I'm surprised that this is even questioned.No-one is saying that the Dylan route is a side story. What I (and perhaps others) am saying is that content that doesn't have an effect on Sophia, like the Dylan/Amber path or the side jobs, can be easily dropped. Particularly since we're looking at 30+ years until the game is finished. Then perhaps the idea could be revisited, like the Coach Sophia storyline.