VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.205] [Lust & Passion]

[palmtrees89]

Fair enough, but with the time he is taking between each update and him according importance to the smallest detail and "realism", and the fact that scenes with eroticism, nudity etc are supposed to be the most polished and refined ones (it's a porn game right ?), for me it's quite a blemish. And remember the bikini show ? L&P proved that they are apparently enough bikini models to vary and spice things a little, and maybe he should had keep one of them for later .

And not a fair criticism ? What do you say about all the other users asking the same thing in loop or joking : "the game will be finished in 2050, my grandchild will tell me in my deadbed if Sophia fuck anyone" blah blah blah.

Some people pay for it, spend quite the amount of money, so they legitimately expect for the utmost quality in every aspects.

Hope my post is understandable without too much mistakes, I'm not an english-speaker. See ya

You are kind of contradicting yourself here. Realism is exactly that. I don't know about you, but my women don't have a new bikini for every day of the year. It is perfectly normal to wear the same dress/bikini or whatever more than once. In terms of realism, you could call it a "blemish" if that wasn't the case, not because she's wearing the same piece of cloth twice as that is actually closer to realism.

That said, the bikini was discussed in the off-topic thread, and I'm fairly certain it is a different asset. Or atleast a modified asset apart from the change in color. The first two screenshots you provided clearly show that the top is slightly different.

Either way, I personally couldn't care less about seeing Sophia wearing the same bikini more than once. Sure, would be nice seeing her in different clothes rather than the same handful of dresses throughout the game, which I think that is one thing L&P is doing quite well. Has obviously nothing to do with realism, but is a nice eyecandy so it doesn't become boring looking at Sophia. Anyway, the game has other, much more important issues. For example the development time, which you've also mentioned. Plotholes, inconsistencies regarding the story and other nonsense. But a bikini? Nah.

 

[XaGnard]

It depends whether or not fans want a 'realistic' veneer to the game, or whether 'porn logic' should dominate. It seems that the Dev has decided on the latter, presumably to please the majority of his Patrons. It must be what he understands them to want & it must make business sense. L&P promised realism in an erotic VN but currently delivers an average teen porn pulp game, realism having been abandoned years ago. It turned out to be the case, that there'd been no need to promise this in the first place. Personally speaking, having played various porn games, none of which were in any sense realistic, or claimed to be, it was the advertisement of realism, all those years ago, that was amongst those things which drew me strongly to AWAM. I've had enough of cartoon characters & stories. We've got an over supply of games to cater for such tastes & the choice is vast.

Realism in the game now seems to consist of the cast members not being abducted by aliens, or having to deal with orcs & goblins & no-one has any special mind-control powers, of course. Once the concept of realism is ditched, it's a case of "anything goes." That may be fine for the "Hey, it's just a porn game," viewpoint but not for anyone who wants something better, i.e. a proper set of story arcs, with believable characters. Fiction has to veer from the course that reality would most likely take but why does this have to produce illogical nonsense? Novels, films & even comics exist which deal with erotic subjects but manage to maintain a kind of realism. Plot holes, retro fitting of storylines, out of character behaviour, lack of immersion for anyone not into M/S incest, etc., have all made AWAM into nothing more than another run-of-the-mill episodic offering, albeit a very slow one.

There's also the question of whose porn logic are we talking about when that subject is raised? Observing the bulk of current porn games, I know it's not mine. L&P should perhaps consider removing references to realism from his mission statement/promo blurb, along with adding a long overdue, male protagonist tag.

Some decisions are simply not possible no matter how some might wish them to be. A porn game, especially one with incest content, will never be realistic. It's just like you can't eat boiling ice cream.

That L&P claims otherwise is, in my opinion, wrong or at least misunderstood. In a porn game, a developer can put wight on creating a coherent story and characters that don't behave like sex dolls. It's more realistic than some of the other games here, but it's not a realistic game. Also, L&P seems to me to put a lot of emphasis on realistic graphics. But a porn game will never be realistic, because realism and porn are kind of mutually exclusive.

Anyway, Anyone who thought that a (real world) realistic porn game could be possible should reconsider their own expectations. One must not believe everything that L&P says. At the end of the day, he is only human and makes mistakes. Even more, I don't think anyone here should have the goal that AWAM is (real world) realistic.

 

[TomUK]

Some decisions are simply not possible no matter how some might wish them to be. A porn game, especially one with incest content, will never be realistic. It's just like you can't eat boiling ice cream.

That L&P claims otherwise is, in my opinion, wrong or at least misunderstood. In a porn game, a developer can put wight on creating a coherent story and characters that don't behave like sex dolls. It's more realistic than some of the other games here, but it's not a realistic game. Also, L&P seems to me to put a lot of emphasis on realistic graphics. But a porn game will never be realistic, because realism and porn are kind of mutually exclusive.

Anyway, Anyone who thought that a (real world) realistic porn game could be possible should reconsider their own expectations. One must not believe everything that L&P says. At the end of the day, he is only human and makes mistakes. Even more, I don't think anyone here should have the goal that AWAM is (real world) realistic.

So incest isn't real? There have been plenty of instances of incest, much of the middle ages was full of incestuous relationships, especially in the nobility to try and keep the bloodlines pure. There are also reports in the media EVERY time an incestuous relationship is discovered.

Unfortunately I never had a good looking sister to perv over when I was younger, but if I had of had a beautiful sister I most definitely would of perved over her.

 

[arifarfi]

I am a little scared of this update.
it can be a some dancing scene , some touching in dark place , and a makeout.
L&P please dont do that to us.
We are expecting more from you....
PLEASE.......

 

[Deleted member 4420830]

I am a little scared of this update.
it can be a some dancing scene , some touching in dark place , and a makeout.
L&P please dont do that to us.
We are expecting more from you....
PLEASE.......

They came home and in the hottub, S undressed herself and then made out with D. He sucked her breasts and she touched his dick with her hand, then when D tried to touch her vagina, she stopped him or her husband interrupted them again

 

[tofhdns]

Some decisions are simply not possible no matter how some might wish them to be. A porn game, especially one with incest content, will never be realistic. It's just like you can't eat boiling ice cream.

That L&P claims otherwise is, in my opinion, wrong or at least misunderstood. In a porn game, a developer can put wight on creating a coherent story and characters that don't behave like sex dolls. It's more realistic than some of the other games here, but it's not a realistic game. Also, L&P seems to me to put a lot of emphasis on realistic graphics. But a porn game will never be realistic, because realism and porn are kind of mutually exclusive.

Anyway, Anyone who thought that a (real world) realistic porn game could be possible should reconsider their own expectations. One must not believe everything that L&P says. At the end of the day, he is only human and makes mistakes. Even more, I don't think anyone here should have the goal that AWAM is (real world) realistic.

You are completely off topic.

The reason LP emphasized reality was to explain "the degree of corruption of human relationships based on reality", not "an extremely ordinary family".

Naturally, people here don't play games to see husbands who are exhausted from work, mother pigs who are tired of married life, and ordinary students who are only into soccer until they graduate from high school.

Because he puts a realistic concept of time into the game, people ask if it's too late at night in the current game background.

He put Dylan in a high school or young teenager setting in the game, and for that reason, he put in childish scenes and childish lines.
That's why people react sensitively to Dylan drinking and going to clubs.

Because he puts a date system into the game, people judge Dylan's face for being old in 20 days.

Players aren't asking for impossible things like "hot ice cream," they're asking for stories that can happen in real life.

In addition, the fundamental reason for the controversy is Because persuasiveness has been lost, and that is because consistency has been broken.

If Dylan was the same height as Sofia, looked more manly, acted as the leader of his friends, and had scenes of him playing drinking games with his friends, people would remember Dylan as a bad student, but people would not have reacted sensitively to going to the club.

These are proof that LP didn't plan the story in detail.

Dylan's first appearance in the game was a character who was ignored, treated as a pervert, and assaulted by Aiden, but when he was unable to drag the story forward, he became Superman in almost a day, protecting his mother and scoring points.

Dylan, who couldn't go to clubs, suddenly grew old, and Dylan, who was scared of women, suddenly became the man all the women in the world wanted to flirt with.

LP is incoherent and disconvincing because he continues to create unplanned stories.

Look at the game backwards, from the current version to the first version.

This will show you what LP is doing.

 

[DylansMoM_001]

So incest isn't real? There have been plenty of instances of incest, much of the middle ages was full of incestuous relationships, especially in the nobility to try and keep the bloodlines pure. There are also reports in the media EVERY time an incestuous relationship is discovered.

Unfortunately I never had a good looking sister to perv over when I was younger, but if I had of had a beautiful sister I most definitely would of perved over her.

I feel you brother. I had a crush on my cousin, she is 4 Ys older than me. It never happened

 

[DylansMoM_001]

They came home and in the hottub, S undressed herself and then made out with D. He sucked her breasts and she touched his dick with her hand, then when D tried to touch her vagina, she stopped him or her husband interrupted them again

Totally expecting that to happen

 

[tofhdns]

I feel you brother. I had a crush on my cousin, she is 4 Ys older than me. It never happened

Key Incest Statistics

• 3.9 million Americans have experienced some form of incest in their lifetime
• of those 3.9 million, about 1.5 million are under the age of 18
• 1 in 9 girls under the age of 18 experience sexual abuse by a family member
• 1 in 53 boys under the age of 18 experience sexual abuse by a family member
• incest is most likely to occur between a father and daughter
• incest between brother and sister is second most likely
• incest between mother and son is second most likely
• ~90% of incestuous relationships involve a male abuser
• ~80% of victims of incest are female
• ~25% of female victims of incest become pregnant
• ~70% of male victims of incest are under the age of 12
• ~70% of incest cases involve a stepparent, stepbrother, or stepsister
• one-third of all sexual assaults reported to the police involve incest
• ~10% of perpetrators of incest are female
• one-third of victims of incest are abused by more than one family member
• 10% of victims of incest are abused by a family member who is not a relative

You must be registered to see the links

Laws exist because there are cases.



FYI, I am not advocating incest.

It's just porn.

I am a civilized person who knows how to distinguish between porn and reality.

I dream while watching Marvel movies, but I don't wander around looking for Wakanda.

 

[DylansMoM_001]

Key Incest Statistics

• 3.9 million Americans have experienced some form of incest in their lifetime
• of those 3.9 million, about 1.5 million are under the age of 18
• 1 in 9 girls under the age of 18 experience sexual abuse by a family member
• 1 in 53 boys under the age of 18 experience sexual abuse by a family member
• incest is most likely to occur between a father and daughter
• incest between brother and sister is second most likely
• incest between mother and son is second most likely
• ~90% of incestuous relationships involve a male abuser
• ~80% of victims of incest are female
• ~25% of female victims of incest become pregnant
• ~70% of male victims of incest are under the age of 12
• ~70% of incest cases involve a stepparent, stepbrother, or stepsister
• one-third of all sexual assaults reported to the police involve incest
• ~10% of perpetrators of incest are female
• one-third of victims of incest are abused by more than one family member
• 10% of victims of incest are abused by a family member who is not a relative

You must be registered to see the links

Laws exist because there are cases.



FYI, I am not advocating incest.

It's just porn.

I am a civilized person who knows how to distinguish between porn and reality.

I dream while watching Marvel movies, but I don't wander around looking for Wakanda.

The thing is you can not stop your feelings. Even if you feel something for someone within the family. you would normally find it wrong when you're old enough to understand. People normally don't express these things and you don't need pornographic influence on you to feel it. Also it's crazy how a game making us argue about such nonsense it makes no sense..

 

[DylansMoM_001]

I Swear in the name of God im booking my flight to switzerland if L&P make another bikini bath scene


it's enough

 

[codex35]

this thread is getting weirder day by day

 

[armion82]

Is this the slowest burn porn game?

Totally.

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

No, It is not

Totally.

explain

 

[DylansMoM_001]

explain

This game is a bit slow compared to other games but the build up we're getting to the main event is fantastic even though there are some illogical things

 

[tofhdns]

The thing is you can not stop your feelings. Even if you feel something for someone within the family. you would normally find it wrong when you're old enough to understand. People normally don't express these things and you don't need pornographic influence on you to feel it. Also it's crazy how a game making us argue about such nonsense it makes no sense..

I have a hard time understanding exactly what you want to say.

You read that incest exists in real life, and you wrote it to mean, "You can feel those feelings, but they don't happen."

To be precise, I felt you wrote it that way.

So I presented evidence that it is happening in real life.

If you want to dispute my post, just say that the statistic is false or that the site is a scam.

Even if I try to read your writing well, this is for the best.

"I'm going to close my eyes to reality because I don't want unnecessary arguments over games."

If my understanding is correct, you should not engage in an argument.

 

[tofhdns]

This game is a bit slow compared to other games but the build up we're getting to the main event is fantastic even though there are some illogical things

No one knows what the main event is, so we can't rate the build-up.

 

[DylansMoM_001]

I have a hard time understanding exactly what you want to say.

You read that incest exists in real life, and you wrote it to mean, "You can feel those feelings, but they don't happen."

To be precise, I felt you wrote it that way.

So I presented evidence that it is happening in real life.

If you want to dispute my post, just say that the statistic is false or that the site is a scam.

Even if I try to read your writing well, this is for the best.

"I'm going to close my eyes to reality because I don't want unnecessary arguments over games."

If my understanding is correct, you should not engage in an argument.

I didn't say incest isn't real or doesn't happen. What I'm trying to say is you can feel something for a family member but most people are afraid to engage in a relationship because it's not acceptable in society and if it gets discovered your social life is done for so they have to keep it secret.
teenagers find these kind of feeling exciting but the older they get they let go of those feelings but can they totally forget about it? I don't think so.

 

[DylansMoM_001]

No one knows what the main event is, so we can't rate the build-up.

SEX, OBVIOUSLY! Going straight to pussy without working hard on it is boring but yeah we feel frustrated with all the interruptions when we think it'll finally happen. i understand that

 

[tofhdns]

I didn't say incest isn't real or doesn't happen. What I'm trying to say is you can feel something for a family member but most people are afraid to engage in a relationship because it's not acceptable in society and if it get discovered your social life is done for so they have to keep it secret.
teenagers find these kind of feeling exciting but the older they get they let go of those feelings but can they totally forget about it? I don't think so.

Are you saying you admit that incest does happen in real life?