700 renders in next update and for what? This update without Sophia will just be skipped. I don't understand why waste time on an uninteresting update. Then the name of the VN should be changed to "The Son and Brother".
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Shopia is A wife and a mother. Ellie is the daughter. It is not fair, to be fair the game has to be A mother and her daughter/son. The story must develop around her, especially the update. Not other characters.
- Jan 3, 2019
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We'll have to wait and see. So far, however, a decision like "Dylan goes out with his mother" or "Dylan goes to the party" are two paths that are mutually exclusive in the future.
Many developers believe that this increases the replay value of their game, which I personally think is total nonsense.
- Jan 25, 2021
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Sophia was in that beach scene.
There was Sophia when Dylan dated Emma, and there was Sophia when Dylan dated Marie.
Sophia was there when Ellie was at the club, and Sophia was there when Ellie kissed Julie.
People aren't saying, "Get out, Dylan", they're saying, "I miss Sophia."
Showing Pepper's story as well as Tony's story in the Iron Man movie will make the Iron Man movie richer.
But the problem here is that you're saying that "for Tony's sake, for the sake of the Iron Man movie" we need Pepper's solo movie without Tony.
People aren't interested in Pepper's solo movie.
(Of course, if Pepper appeared in a porn movie, people's reaction would be enthusiastic)
- Jul 20, 2019
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I wouldn't say that people aren't interested in a Pepper Potts movie, they certainly are. Only that it's disappointing for those that aren't Pepper fans when she takes up half the movie, with sections of her own without Tony, when we're there because it's advertised as an Iron Man movie.
- Jan 25, 2021
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And that damn "potential"
Is it also “potential” for Sofia's parents to visit?
Is it also “potential” for Sam to build a house on a tree?
Is it also “potential” for Logan to cheat?
Some people also said the salon scene had "potential."
Some people also said the club scene had "potential."
It's just a story.
A device for storytelling.
Facts are thin on the ground when it comes to communication from the Dev. There is, however, the insurmountable fact of the game's title, "A Wife & Mother," referring to one person, "A" in this case being singular, i.e. referencing the former MC & the only MC who can be both a wife & mother. As the game now contains large portions of incest & teens with little else, while also taking the direction of Dylan's POV, it is overdue for a change of title but won't get one, because the AWAM brand is too well known. Calling what has become a different game from the one I started playing in 2018 by it's original title has to be good for marketing purposes but otherwise perpetuates a misnomer.
Even those scenes featuring Sophia & her voluminous "milk jugs," (to which half her brain seems to have been transplanted part-way through an event), are only present so that she can act as a dumbed-down, adult prop, for teen virgins to manipulate & bounce on. Those of us who thought we were in receipt of a story about an elegant, educated woman with beauty AND brains, (a refreshing change in 3D porn), were destined to be disappointed, in more ways than one.
Aiden is gone, yet still we hear complaints. He was not only provided with a Mafia 'get out' for those fans who hated him (& he was meant to be hated, ...that's what villains are for) but is not due back for another 5-7 years at the current pace. He probably won't be back at all. He & many other characters are clearly not what is delaying the game. That is solely down to the Dev's preferred development rate. Nathalie (aged 19, dangerously close to not being a teen), is officially set to return in 2035. Alyssa, ('pon my word, an adult), has been confirmed as a returnee but who knows when, or even if, at this rate?
If there existed some demonstrable imperative to finish AWAM in less than the 30+ years it's due to take, I could (objectively), understand the logic of featuring only incest & immediate family members. It seems to be happening anyway & I don't (subjectively), like it, because I've had no game for c2 years. That there's no real determination to finish before mid-century is indicated by the inclusion of a side story, which appears to have required many renders & is preferred to an existing storyline, I presume, to give Dylan more screen time & please youthful fans. Side jobs may finally be terminated, (I'll believe it when I see it) but IMO that's because of the shota & a projected Steam release, rather than an attempt to speed up.
There's nothing intrinsically wrong with following 'the further adventures of Dylan,' (for fans who like that kind of thing) but such an endeavour would have been less unwelcome if the originally stated aim of event-based monthly releases had actually come to fruition. What now passes for AWAM is a series of almost stand-alone events, each of which must have "lewd" content, to avoid an outcry, a coherent story having gone the way of 'realism' & 'class.'
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Is that really the case? The first event, with the long conversation and a bit of action, was overarching both paths, wasn't it?
In addition, I think that something like that can be changed in the dialogs with a reasonable amount of effort. At least I haven't given up on the idea of more action with Dylan, Ellie and Sophia.
To be honest, just seeing the previews shown so far make for an important update. After all, it is a big step forward for Dylan and Ellie. It sould be a core story element and not just an arbitrarily interchangeable path, like the one around Aiden, for example.
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Have you ever read xxxorro's awesome post collating all the information we know? Obviously since I haven't downloaded the game in a while I can't quote exactly, but I'm fairly sure that there's a conversation Dylan has with Sophia about either heading out to the restaurant, or heading to Christine's party. So no possibility of doing both.
That heading to the restaurant is called "Evening alternative 1" and the bonus storyline is "Evening alternative 2" makes it pretty clear cut to me.
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None of the devices set up in the story can be replaced.
Because it is literally a device that “drives/necessary” the story.
“Potential” is not what drives the story.
It has to explode.
The only impact of Dylan/Ellie's story in this update will be to explain the situation to Sophia.
This is not an explosion.
It's just the flow.
Even if you're hoping there will be a threesome in the future and think this update will be the starting point, this isn't potential, it's just flow.
Who says this is potential?
If this is potential, what is not potential?
As I said, if this is potential, then the parents' visit is potential, Logan's cheating is potential, and Dylan going into the dorm is potential.
It's just part of the story.
The point I'm trying to make is that Dylan made some progress with Sophia that night, even without the alternative restaurant event. The bathroom event is there in both paths. So it's definitely possible to progress also with Sophia without this event, just via a path with Ellie (which could still include the threesome I am hoping for).
In general, Interwoven paths are more exciting. That's one of the reasons I still hope Dylan was watching Sophia and Sam. More voyeur scenes would be perfekt. Sophia has watched Ellie some Times, maybe she will viel an event between Dylan und Ellie, so a 2nd path for a threesome would be possible.
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Except that by definition, the bonus storyline doesn't have Sophia as a major component. We were told that from the very beginning. Whilst she can pop in from time to time, like speaking to Dylan to see what his plans are for the night, that's the extent of her involvement.
Sophia doesn't even know where Christine lives, so how could she spy on Dylan and Ellie. I don't even know if Sophia knows Ellie is there.
The only interwoven routes really at the moment is Ellie and Patricia. And yeah, that's pretty great. But that's only because the three of them had the Nightclub event together, so Ellie knows that her aunt can push Sophia's buttons.
This will certainly not happen with this update, but maybe at some point in the future.
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The problem with that is,you have to choose between Sophia and Ellie event,you can't have both.
And if you go with Sophia event,probably that is the end for Dylan/Ellie route,and vice versa
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I can see a lot of discussions about the future here. Hope we all realize that there's a strong indication 2024 will be a single release year? And, depending on the re-built "legal" Part 1 success on Steam, there might very well be no future at all beyond Part 2?
From what I have been able to see on Steam, these types of games on Renpy, with hardly any animations, are not very popular. Most are in Unity or Ungine with 3D animations. The question is, do you really think that L&P is going to risk losing all the fame and money coming from Patreon and make the game only for Steam?
- May 23, 2017
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Quite the opposite, hence his meticulous shtick playing safely both ends. He's currently charging his enablers for something they already paid for (Part 1), so financially the Steam recon expedition is covered. For the time being, Part 2 in its covert version is stalled by pushing hard the side story. It can't be dropped entirely to keep the illusion of working on a new Part 2 content.
Now, if the re-built "legal" Part 1 is a success on Steam, he'll focus on developing Part 2 in a "legal" manner (no risky content), so you may forget the current storylines. If it's a flop, he can always get back to business as usual, meaning continuously stretching development time due to whatever. Nicely played risk management on his part, poor judgement on the horny cult-like patrons...