Just to be clear this reeks of your now all to typical BS. Sorry if this sticks in your craw but, you clearly don't have a clue. I will not waste anymore time on you at all. You are the Polar Opposite of Viperdonkey and I will treat you as such. He at least has facts and a purpose, You nada!
Prove otherwise, that everything I have stated is false. You mentioned I chose a render that favoured my argument, I asked you to look at all the renders of the scene as they are evidence that there is the same amount of ripples in everyone.
If I am wrong about the time Sam's head was in water. I would like to hear your estimate. How long does it take to take five steps to the tub. Give a little peck and be pushed away to get the phone. The reasonable estimate for me is 30 seconds. The scene is in the game, I speak after just playing the scene. You can rehearse this scene yourself. There are renders which tell you exactly when Sophia pushes Sam's head down. Take five steps towards something, linger there as long as it takes to get a kiss and then get pushed away. 30 seconds is a max assumption for me. Sophia is in a hurry to push Liam away, which only further supports my claim. These are all the facts of the circumstance based on the scene which you can review yourself.
I actually am quoting the definition of sexual harrasment and not speaking of my own assumptions. You have Google to cross check what I said.
I posted the renders that give the best idea of what the tub would look like from outside as proof of what I say.
Here are the renders again as proof of what I say, whereas you have given nothing but only said that all I say is BS without zero basis.
The first render shows the tub from where Liam stands only the angle is a bit higher than Liam's eye level and slightly distant. Sophia too is far away from where she sits.
If you can see there are ripples in both the renders here as well. They appear a lot distinct in the first one due to the lighting. Secondly because in the second one half the render is occupied by the seating area where there is not much water. Again I speak from what is visible. You can zoom in for yourself. And see every render from the scene. The amount of ripples in the water don't change throughout.
The factors affecting the visibility in the water in the first one are clearly the lighting and lower angle.
In the second render you don't see the lights on the other side of the tub, which will be in direct view of Liam when he looks at the tub. And the visibility from where Liam stands is even lesser.
Yet not once have I stated that there is zero chance of Sam being seen unlike you who has absolutely ruled out the possibility that he could not be seen.
You refuse to even think that when L&P must have made this render he has access to every angle possible, he must have felt the there is a way to hide after seeing things himself. He doesn't just throw in characters and not care about anything else like most Devs.
You also didn't consider the possibility that this render is done as a fan service too. He could easily have stopped Liam 5 feet away from the tub but that would not have been erotic. This is an erotic visual novel just for viewers sake. This render right here is not something that ruins the scene entirely since this render has zero impact on the events, yet you make a big deal out of it.
Everything that I said I have backed it up here. If you think I am BS you have to show how it is BS.
I have nothing against you. This started out as a normal discussion of the scene. You changed your tone to one that was more about ridiculing what I say or just calling it BS without a valid basis or a concrete argument. Hence why I replied aggressively.
If it hurt you in any way then sorry for that but I only reply back in an aggressive tone if I feel I am being replied too with an intent to mock or with aggression.
I have agreed with you in past on many things and have liked your opinions on various matters. How you want to process things from here on out I leave upto you.