VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.205b] [Lust & Passion]

[Old Dog]

That’s why it’s probly time to move to the butt plug or remote control vibrator stage, which could be what Aiden is going to give her at the hideout

True but so far L&P has tried to stay away from things that have happened in so many other porn games

 

[Old Dog]

He may try and repeat the same task with a female student, who most likely would be Emma.

We still have Mia and since Emma is no longer in Sophia's class I doubt it

 

[Turret]

I mentioned it already earlier in a post, but that Sophia advances now a lot faster on the corruption route (see the dress for the aiden meeting) is rather simple to explain. Since L&P pushed his milking, eh, "slow burn development" to such "heights" that even the hardcore gullibles among his patrons are just a touch away from starting a revolt, he knows he has to deliver something substantial quicker than before. But since he deliberately stretched development like a chewing gum, the story is not really in the position to be substantial corrupt or good wifey at the moment. But if he keeps on this being outpaced by snails speed, many of his patrons will give him the longbowman salute and cut patronage.
So he has to fast forward some developments, which leads to compression, jump overs and some plot holes. hence situations where something will not fit right. Hoisted by his own petard!

And even now he cuts corners at the wrong place. It should be possible to get development on the Christine-Dylan path without having to kick out Logan. Logan is an idiot, but one of the earliest possibilities of some strange dick for both Sophia and Ellie. Logan is an important corruption option for Ellie. So for gameplay we need to keep this player-ass... around, if we do not want even more delay.

 

[RIFAT]

i cant play it

 

[Old Dog]

I mentioned it already earlier in a post, but that Sophia advances now a lot faster on the corruption route (see the dress for the aiden meeting) is rather simple to explain. Since L&P pushed his milking, eh, "slow burn development" to such "heights" that even the hardcore gullibles among his patrons are just a touch away from starting a revolt, he knows he has to deliver something substantial quicker than before. But since he deliberately stretched development like a chewing gum, the story is not really in the position to be substantial corrupt or good wifey at the moment. But if he keeps on this being outpaced by snails speed, many of his patrons will give him the longbowman salute and cut patronage.
So he has to fast forward some developments, which leads to compression, jump overs and some plot holes. hence situations where something will not fit right. Hoisted by his own petard!

L&P has only himself to blame with the stretched out updates/slow burn and making Sophia so nieve that she belongs in a convent.
After very slow/stop/backwards/backwards/forward corruption speed he realised that he had to speed things up so now we hit warp 12 corruption speed and the games is falling a part.

 

[Turret]

L&P has only himself to blame with the stretched out updates/slow burn and making Sophia so nieve that she belongs in a convent.
After very slow/stop/backwards/backwards/forward corruption speed he realised that he had to speed things up so now we hit warp 12 corruption speed and the games is falling a part.

Exactly! And I would speak out slow burn only ironic in this case, because as several other developers show, you can make slow burn games but still be on a satisfying update pace. L&P´s deliberate stalling where he could for years now bites him in the ass.
And I think it was a mistake from the beginning, even without the deliberate stalling of development, to paint Sophia being this prude as she was at game start. It already stretched credibility to have a two times mom this naive about life, even with the game set in North America.

 

[Old Dog]

Exactly! And I would speak out slow burn only ironic in this case, because as several other developers show, you can make slow burn games but still be on a satisfying update pace. L&P´s deliberate stalling where he could for years now bites him in the ass.
And I think it was a mistake from the beginning, even without the deliberate stalling of development, to paint Sophia being this prude as she was at game start. It already stretched credibility to have a two times mom this naive about life, even with the game set in North America.

All down to his piss poor planning

 

[Bobbos]

I mentioned it already earlier in a post, but that Sophia advances now a lot faster on the corruption route (see the dress for the aiden meeting) is rather simple to explain. Since L&P pushed his milking, eh, "slow burn development" to such "heights" that even the hardcore gullibles among his patrons are just a touch away from starting a revolt, he knows he has to deliver something substantial quicker than before. even more delay.

IMHO no one is revolting or close to it.
Some Patreons are complaining but the sad truth is that the vast majority don't care and L&P also just reached the highest amount of Patreons he ever had (2102).
People can complain as much as they want but it's all meaningless as long as they keep paying him.

 

[Turret]

IMHO no one is revolting or close to it.
Some Patreons are complaining but the sad truth is that the vast majority don't care and L&P also just reached the highest amount of Patreons he ever had (2102).
People can complain as much as they want but it's all meaningless as long as they keep paying him.

The number of patrons do not say anything about how long they have been patrons. I am sure L&P has a high turnover with few really longtime patrons. And we know that several of the real longtimers are pissed off. L&P has shown a talent for milking, he will know that this is the early messenger of what could happen.
But then again, I doubt that he ever had intention to complete AWAM, hell, anybody getting hellhörig (starting to pay attention) when he went for a beauty ops to Korea and he already was late on his development by that time, could easily see that many other things had a far higher priority for L&P than his game!

 

[dolfe67]

All in all, just my impression, it felt that the this part was rushed in the release, and probably even cut out and postponed to 0.161 due to the pressure of making the release etc...

That part was supposed to be from .155 I think, so he had a lot of times to do it

True but so far L&P has tried to stay away from things that have happened in so many other porn games

Yes but until now it's not really porn, it's erotic. If he wants to show porn, he can't avoid becoming more similar to other porn games, as we saw in the threesome animations

 

[kevin19997]

maybe in a future update, we can see sophia naked in a hologram and even touch her!

 

[3nterprise]

That’s why it’s probly time to move to the butt plug or remote control vibrator stage, which could be what Aiden is going to give her at the hideout

It's been used many times, this won't impress anyone. But from the brake as is Lust & Passion, it can be expected.

 

[xxxorro]

That part was supposed to be from .155 I think, so he had a lot of times to do it

Looking at the script that part is in between the Part 1 and Part 2 of Dylan/Ellie. (well, to be honest those 3 lines are a little bit everywhere, due to the many combinations of the branches he copy pasted it 6 times in different places . But clearly at the end of the 1st part of Dylan/Ellie there is a break for Sophia changing for Aiden's meeting)
That's why I assumed it was meant to be in 0.160. Whether it was because he was in a rush or he wanted to extend the event or use it to test the update system or whatever else, that's up for speculation.

Back to why she would attend Aiden's meeting even after asking Morello's help, in the previous post I forgot to mention this: on her way home after Morello she had mixed feelings:

so that **could** one of the reasons why she goes to the meeting. Probably knowing Morello's boy will come at some point she *might* go there to be sure nothing too bad happens or to give Aiden a sort of heads up. Obviously she cannot know when Morello's boy will come because he only say they'll pay a visit later

s "Thank you so much, Mr. Morello!"
s "By the way, this bully has a hang-out spot where he and his buddies stray around after school."
dm "Well then, my boys will pay them a little visit later!"

Or she *might* just go to tell Aiden the deal is off and, eventually, warn him of the consequences if she still worried about Morello's manners.

I admit that it is not super convincing but here is one possibility.

PS
Is it a perspective effect or that wheel is a little bit too big?

 

[hzjujk]

There's been a fair amount of commentary & speculation about what appears to be Sophia's oufit for attending the meeting with Aiden at his usual hangout, which is a location not in public view. We have the picture of Sophia looking dubiously at the ensemble. View attachment 1766442 At first glance I thought this was a strange choice, consisting as it does of a skirt which resembles a laced petticoat or half-slip & an easily dislodged tube top. If "I" know that this is suitable only for a party, reception, or to impress a date, then I'm certain that a rich, sophisticated woman like Sophia knows it. She is, after all, a lady with an impressive wardrobe.

I think back to the infamous romper & how she wore it consciously or sub-consciously to be attractive for Sam. I was set against the romper. It wasn't something a 38 year old would wear to a rock concert. Events at the biker bar could have played out badly but in the event Patricia packed her trusty sidearm & the bikers were gentlemen.

We know that Aiden & his mates are definitely not gentlemen & that in Andre's case this is an understatement. Sophia is well aware of this, having just undertaken task 4 FFS. Unless there is something missing, something we don't yet know, I find it incredible that Sophia may again be sub-consciously trying to look sexy for 'somone'. This is where realism once more takes a nosedive.

Even if she wears this in the knowledge that Don Morello's soldiers will turn up, there's no way to be certain of their arrival at a precise time, city traffic being what it is.

I am a keen follower of the tasks. Throughout their prescence in the VN I've defended this storyline against sceptics, detractors, white knights & would-be kink-shamers of all persuasions. I've also been a fulsome supporter of the originally stated aim of 'realism' in this tale. There's a fine balance to be struck, not to forget the need to combine this with not taking things TOO far at this stage. Are we to believe that Sophia is now so corrupted that she would choose an outfit like this? Do we really think Aiden & co. will have a rational discussion upon seeing who & what is before them, in their hidden den?

AFAIK Sophia has to dress sexily each day for school as part of her 'verbal contract' with Aiden. I must have missed the part where he voiced & then was able to enforce his wish for her to dress like this & go braless all the time. That would be impossible in any case. Now we wait to see how many months it will take for this mystery to be solved, if it ever is.

Sophia didn't mince words during the fourth task when it came to telling Aiden and also Andre what Sophia thinks of them. She managed to break through both Aiden's and Andre's perceived superiority and (seriously) pissed them off. As for the heated discussion with Aiden and the slap to Andre, I found the fourth task to be an escalation.
If I go by this exchange of words, L&P shouldn't let Aiden act like he's about to perform sexual acts with Sophia. That means touching Sophia without her letting him know how much she despises Aiden. The same is even more true for Andre. And considering the event with Jennifer, there's no way Aiden is just going to only watch the 12 tasks.
This consideration leads me to the question, what should/would happen if Sophia fulfills the tasks but continues to fight so violently against her blackmailer. Consistent would be it then from L&P if it then in this case to a real rape, i.e. sex under employment of physical force, of Sophia by Aiden and/or Andre to come lets. As much as I hate this, it would be a consistent continuation of the path. (It would also cause me to end this route and stop my support for L&P).
The other way would be that Sophia takes a back seat in the future, keeps silent, but tricks them again and again, and does the tasks with elegance and imagination like she did in the fourth task. Maybe we see the beginning of this way in Sophia's choice of clothes for the meeting with Aiden (I admit this is a really daring speculation.).
I as white knights & would-be kink-shamers now ask the avid follower of this path (yes, I am mocking a bit here, please bear with me here) do you have other, better suggestions on how to avoid the above escalation without a breach of Sophia's will?

 

[hzjujk]

Looking at the script that part is in between the Part 1 and Part 2 of Dylan/Ellie. (well, to be honest those 3 lines are a little bit everywhere, due to the many combinations of the branches he copy pasted it 6 times in different places . But clearly at the end of the 1st part of Dylan/Ellie there is a break for Sophia changing for Aiden's meeting)
That's why I assumed it was meant to be in 0.160. Whether it was because he was in a rush or he wanted to extend the event or use it to test the update system or whatever else, that's up for speculation.

Back to why she would attend Aiden's meeting even after asking Morello's help, in the previous post I forgot to mention this: on her way home after Morello she had mixed feelings:
View attachment 1767510
so that **could** one of the reasons why she goes to the meeting. Probably knowing Morello's boy will come at some point she *might* go there to be sure nothing too bad happens or to give Aiden a sort of heads up. Obviously she cannot know when Morello's boy will come because he only say they'll pay a visit later

s "Thank you so much, Mr. Morello!"
s "By the way, this bully has a hang-out spot where he and his buddies stray around after school."
dm "Well then, my boys will pay them a little visit later!"

Or she *might* just go to tell Aiden the deal is off and, eventually, warn him of the consequences if she still worried about Morello's manners.

I admit that it is not super convincing but here is one possibility.

PS
Is it a perspective effect or that wheel is a little bit too big?

Yes, that was my thought too. Morello has said that it will take care of it. But Sophia can't know when Morello will take care of this problem. She has to assume that it will take a while. After all, she asked for a favor and Morello owes her nothing.

 

[Sadowdark]

Yes, that was my thought too. Morello has said that it will take care of it. But Sophia can't know when Morello will take care of this problem. She has to assume that it will take a while. After all, she asked for a favor and Morello owes her nothing.

If the people of Dom MorellI are late, Aiden will tell Adrien that now she can take revenge on Sophia. Jenifer can save her as part of her solidarity.

 

[armion82]

I wonder if we ever will reach a task like this one.
https://f95zone.to/threads/apocalust-v0-03-psychodelusional.79552/page-69#post-6483917

 

[passionatefanlust]

Correct me if I am wrong here.
Sophia did everything that Larry asked of her(prison visit) and Morello was very happy and cancelled the debt.
Sophia then does task 4 but stops the rape of Jen and then has to decide whether or not to ask Morello for help with dealing with Aiden.
Now my question is if Sophia asked Morello for help then why is Sophia still meeting Aiden at his den as she does not need to?

Just another error Lust will justify with some stupid reason

 

[Old Dog]

Just another error Lust will justify with some stupid reason

It could well be but it could be linked to an event involving Jen/Mia or even Larry for some shock value

 

[armion82]

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So playable day 13 (what is left of it) is divided into 7 more updates. Does anyone know if these were supposed to be faster updates (update every 20-30 days), or will it be regular 3-4+ months for an update?

It is 9 more updates.He will give us as a bonus 0.161,just before update 3(0.165).
I doubt we will have an update done in 20 days.
If there is such a short event he definitely will combine it with previous or next event.
3-4 months for an update I hope will be only the upcoming sex scenes in PD 15,16 etc