VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.205b] [Lust & Passion]

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mulerider said:
Well I did whole another play though starting at the very beginning basically to
see two things, 1) to try eliminate Sophia from receiving any possible
help/rescue when she goes to this "Aiden meeting". 2) And to see how L&P does
this next update (Aiden meeting) going by the ending of this play though.

Principal Johnson: no hug when they meet, stopped him cold.

Pigmy/Frodo(Dylan): cucked him and silenced him every time,
and no defense class for him.

Carl: stopped his flirting.

Janitor Clark: not only no shower with him, she stayed home.

Morello: didn't even flirt with him, she went to Liam and
they went home, so no debt to repay.

Now considering there should be no one to help/rescue Sophia when she goes to
meet Aiden, and after seeing what Aiden and Andre were going to do to Jennifer
(interfered), Sophia knows now they are even more dangerous than she thought before.
She has to know that at some point they are going to blackmail her into sex as well.
If they will do it to one, they will surely do it to another(her). Sophia would have
to be dumber than a box of rocks to meet Aiden at his hangout where he has total
advantage and holding all the cards.

Now Andre: He's pissed form being slapped and he told her that she will pay for it,
and he is even more pissed because she stopped him from having sex with Jennifer.

If Aiden is any kind of a good gang leader, he has no choice but to make Sophia give
Andre some kind of compensation for what she did, if he doesn't, Andre and all of the
gang-members would lose respect for him, a gang-leader can't afford to let that happen.

If L&P tries to to make this "Aiden meeting" even 5% realistic, there is NO way Sophia
is just going to show up, hear about the next task and leave. Something has to happen
to her, whether it be by force or her giving in to a stronger threat.
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ancienregimele said:
5%, as much as that? If you mean as realistic as Dylan (potentially) taking on 4 drunks & flattening one of them, after a couple of martial arts lessons, it has to be more realistic & may even get to 10%. Something will happen & it will be the end of the Aiden route for those who wish it, while for others it will be either i) Sophia finds she likes these scenarios even more as she progresses towards what has become an obvious hackneyed, over-used, slut route in these kinds of games, or ii) she will have to undergo something bad & the tasks will carry on with a modicum of enjoyment for her.

It's so apparent what would happen in RL that I wonder why L&P keeps placing Sophia in such situations, where disbelief has to be put on hold. There are 100s of potentially erotic events to choose from, after all. I also marvel at why Sophia didn't make an excuse as to why she couldn't meet up that evening/night, because with her busy schedule it was bound to be better than, "I'm washing my hair", although this also would have been true, knowing her as we do. Her choice of outfit is perplexing, to say the least, unless she's had other instructions. If such turns out to be the case, it would make the purpose of the meeting clear to even the dumbest "box of rocks".

Failing all else, she could have asked Aiden to phone or text, if he wanted to communicate & spoke to him about the fact that after hours meetings weren't part of the deal, although perhaps after task 3, that would have sounded less convincing.

Expect loud cheering & a deluge of rejoicing comments after Aiden & co. are put in their place. They'll come thick & fast & contain such triumphalism as would be appropriate if the writers had gone to San Alejo themselves, specifically to get Aiden. At least we know that the Dev has the ability to create a hateable villain with his writing. I now just hope that such penmanship finds a semi-plausible way of conveying this meeting.
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A lot of those story theories we are reading now are made from specific playthroughs. The situation changes from e.g. mulerider´s playthrough quite a bit if Sophia did e.g. not interfere in the threesome. Future psychopath Andre can be pissed off as much as he wants to, he will get one on the hat by Aiden, if he tries something then. Since from Aiden´s standpoint Sophia fullfilled her tasks and Aiden is even impressed by her resourcefulness. An at least slightly corrupted Sophia will not be in major trouble during the meeting. L&P has to prepare for such a scenario too, not just Nun-Sophia on her good wife path.
Therefore I theorise that Sophia´s choice of dress is made with corrupted Sophia in mind, but still, if very barely, possible for good Sophia, if she misinterpreted some of Aiden´s tasks.
I agree with Ancientregimele that some events are not very realistic from the start, but as I wrote in a post earlier, I think it is because L&P stretched development out too much. Now he has to speed up, but the storyline is not quite there at the moment. He must compress something, which leads to strains in believability. But then again, that is what you get for artificial slowness and milking. If you then have to speed up, it will only fly with some pains.
 
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mulerider said:
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If Aiden is any kind of a good gang leader, he has no choice but to make Sophia give
Andre some kind of compensation for what she did, if he doesn't, Andre and all of the
gang-members would lose respect for him, a gang-leader can't afford to let that happen.
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Please, what is a good gang leader? In a criminal organization, you spread fear not only outside, but mainly inside.
Being a gang leader means that you still realize that no one will give you anything, you just have to take everything and so you take your lead. Foreign Andre must get his approval, if he tries anything on his own, then Andre gets exemplary example of strength.
 
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,,If Aiden is any kind of a good gang leader, he has no choice but to make Sophia give
Andre some kind of compensation for what she did, if he doesn't, Andre and all of the
gang-members would lose respect for him, a gang-leader can't afford to let that happen''



Members of Aiden's gang are to fear him and show him respect and obey his orders unopposed. He must clearly state how far the gang can go in humiliating Sophia, otherwise Andre may sense Aiden's weakness. And challenge him and overthrow him, and Aiden must also show strength by punishing a disobedient gang member. And rewarding loyal gang members. That's how it works.
 
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Sadowdark said:
,,If Aiden is any kind of a good gang leader, he has no choice but to make Sophia give
Andre some kind of compensation for what she did, if he doesn't, Andre and all of the
gang-members would lose respect for him, a gang-leader can't afford to let that happen''



Members of Aiden's gang are to fear him and show him respect and obey his orders unopposed. He must clearly state how far the gang can go in humiliating Sophia, otherwise Andre may sense Aiden's weakness. And challenge him and overthrow him, and Aiden must also show strength by punishing a disobedient gang member. And rewarding loyal gang members. That's how it works.
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Presuming fear is the only resource Aiden has, whether it's fear of violence or legal enforcement. Which I believe to be the case. Not charm, charisma or even just money, like Morello or Carl. Even Alyssa isn't afraid of Aiden, offering to initially help in her own way.

I get why Jen might be afriad of Aiden and succeptible to blackmail/coersion, she might come from a low socio-economic background, with little resources herself. But Sophia? Sophia has friends and family and charisma. She can charm both Morello brothers after all, or just bat her eyelids and Carl jumps to her rescue
 
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Sadowdark said:
,,If Aiden is any kind of a good gang leader, he has no choice but to make Sophia give
Andre some kind of compensation for what she did, if he doesn't, Andre and all of the
gang-members would lose respect for him, a gang-leader can't afford to let that happen''



Members of Aiden's gang are to fear him and show him respect and obey his orders unopposed. He must clearly state how far the gang can go in humiliating Sophia, otherwise Andre may sense Aiden's weakness. And challenge him and overthrow him, and Aiden must also show strength by punishing a disobedient gang member. And rewarding loyal gang members. That's how it works.
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both him and that black kid at at fault.. why do it in the class.. and not other place....
 
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Sadowdark said:
What do you think awaits Sophia after Aiden's twelve sentences?
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Hmm, do you think she'd accept getting gang banged by Aiden's crew, guess it depends on how morally corrupted she's become by then, if not then she'll go visit the younger Morello brother in jail and make a deal with him for a conjugal visit to get his brother to sort Aiden out.
 
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TomUK said:
Hmm, do you think she'd accept getting gang banged by Aiden's crew, guess it depends on how morally corrupted she's become by then, if not then she'll go visit the younger Morello brother in jail and make a deal with him for a conjugal visit to get his brother to sort Aiden out.
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but a solution of this kind tastes so much of boring and conventional, what leads life towards a dead end made up of bourgeois and respectable conventions while Sophia is a woman sufficiently alert and intelligent to understand when life offers you the possibility of a turning point, to get off the rails and experience the thrill of adventure, risk and the maximum reward: pleasure: forbidden, sensual, risky, destructive. The one without which three quarters of world cinema and literature would be mutilated and which gives meaning to life.
 
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mulerider said:
Well I did whole another play though starting at the very beginning basically to
see two things, 1) to try eliminate Sophia from receiving any possible
help/rescue when she goes to this "Aiden meeting". 2) And to see how L&P does
this next update (Aiden meeting) going by the ending of this play though.

Principal Johnson: no hug when they meet, stopped him cold.

Pigmy/Frodo(Dylan): cucked him and silenced him every time,
and no defense class for him.

Carl: stopped his flirting.

Janitor Clark: not only no shower with him, she stayed home.

Morello: didn't even flirt with him, she went to Liam and
they went home, so no debt to repay.

Now considering there should be no one to help/rescue Sophia when she goes to
meet Aiden, and after seeing what Aiden and Andre were going to do to Jennifer
(interfered), Sophia knows now they are even more dangerous than she thought before.
She has to know that at some point they are going to blackmail her into sex as well.
If they will do it to one, they will surely do it to another(her). Sophia would have
to be dumber than a box of rocks to meet Aiden at his hangout where he has total
advantage and holding all the cards.

Now Andre: He's pissed form being slapped and he told her that she will pay for it,
and he is even more pissed because she stopped him from having sex with Jennifer.

If Aiden is any kind of a good gang leader, he has no choice but to make Sophia give
Andre some kind of compensation for what she did, if he doesn't, Andre and all of the
gang-members would lose respect for him, a gang-leader can't afford to let that happen.

If L&P tries to to make this "Aiden meeting" even 5% realistic, there is NO way Sophia
is just going to show up, hear about the next task and leave. Something has to happen
to her, whether it be by force or her giving in to a stronger threat.
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If Aiden "proposes" a task on the weekend, the problems can be solved quite easily in my opinion. It has already been suggested here, a table dance competition (wet t-shirt would also work but in my opinion no longer fits the current corruption level.) would be a possible solution. No matter how Sophia has behaved in the past, whether she interrupted the Jennifer scene or not, it always works. Aiden proves that he is the leader, Andre gets a prospect of revenge, the whole gang benefits if they participates in the event, it doesn't matter what Sophia wears, whether she acts aggressive or submissive in the backyard, Sophia doesn't have to endure any assaults in the backyard because the whole pack is already looking forward to the thrown bone on the weekend.
If it was a table dance competition in a night bar, Sophia would have some security there because it is a public place and Aiden's gang would not be the only visitors to the bar. And I'm sure you can tell/show the performance in a way that Sophia gets at least 10 filthy points and almost goes crazy with sexual excitement on stage.
 
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hzjujk said:
If Aiden "proposes" a task on the weekend, the problems can be solved quite easily in my opinion. It has already been suggested here, a table dance competition (wet t-shirt would also work but in my opinion no longer fits the current corruption level.) would be a possible solution. No matter how Sophia has behaved in the past, whether she interrupted the Jennifer scene or not, it always works. Aiden proves that he is the leader, Andre gets a prospect of revenge, the whole gang benefits if she participates in the event, it doesn't matter what Sophia wears, whether she acts aggressive or submissive in the backyard, Sophia doesn't have to endure any assaults in the backyard because the whole pack is already looking forward to the thrown bone on the weekend.
If it was a table dance competition in a night bar, Sophia would have some security there because it is a public place and Aiden's gang would not be the only visitors to the bar. And I'm sure you can tell/show the performance in a way that Sophia gets at least 10 filthy points and almost goes crazy with sexual excitement on stage.
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Masked - so suddenly nobody "recognizes" her - with a few dramatic exceptions of course; I like it.
 
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