VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.205b] [Lust & Passion]

[blackfoxeyesred]

You're going on the wrong track. On Day 18 Sophia and Patricia talk about the farm again. From the looks of it. It is only going to be Patricia and Sophia going. L&P has only mentioned that almost the whole day is the farm event. Also if Ellie is there she will be a hindrance to Sophia Patricia progression as Sophia will be more reserved with her daughter around. Another indicator that Ellie won't be there is that the next Day, PD 16, is Full of Ellie events. L&P won't stuff Ellie on PD 15 then.

There is supposed to be another small event on that day. If it is going to be independent of Sophia then the only storylines that I see happening are Dylan Ellie at home or a very remote chance of it being Dylan Amber.

So in order to have an argument here I take a look at Sophia/ Patricia talk on day 18 where they were driving back home after yoga class, it realy seems like will be a only sister/ sister day, looks like Patricia is realy into Sophia and is planning her next move on Sophia, but Sophia still can invite Ellie or whoever she want Patricia don't make it clear to her sister to not invite people to go with her, anyway it will be a heck of a fun.

 

[Turret]

As an aside, I'm not going to knock L&P. He's given a lot of people something they want and like and he's not Disney/Pixar.
If it takes time, so be it.
The only comment I have is I'd rather wait 6 or more months and get several days (a weeks?!) gameplay rather than one scene (or a couple of renders depending on the route) a month.

Pardon me, but you are either really young or daft (combination not excluded)! He never became quicker, no matter his sermons, he only got slower.
It is one thing to take your time and another intentionally stringing out development. We know how many playdays the game will have and we know how long it takes L&P (Lazy & Poncy) to make a measly 150-200 render scene. It is simple math to learn that a hypothetical finish date for AWAM is somewhere in the middle of the century!
That is simply an unsustainable "speed" of development, no matter what some deluded hardcore fans of his think! We know also that L&P was able to deliver not quickly, but faster and meatier updates in the first years and that he massively upgraded his computer hardware. That leaves just 1 end result: L&P deliberately drags his feet, there is no other sensible explanation.

While discussing the coming events, like Dylan´s visit to Amber or Sophia and Liam possible swing with their friends, is quite nice, but they might be the last events being made. I would not bet on e.g. playday 16 ever being created, since at current development, these are events many years away.. And I doubt AWAM will still be developed in 2030. Might be, but the chance of this is very small and it is a bad joke that we have todiscuss these time frames, because other 1 or two person developers are able to make high-quality games far quicker than L&P ever will.

 

[Whitekink]

Pardon me, but you are either really young or daft (combination not excluded)! He never became quicker, no matter his sermons, he only got slower.
It is one thing to take your time and another intentionally stringing out development. We know how many playdays the game will have and we know how long it takes L&P (Lazy & Poncy) to make a measly 150-200 render scene. It is simple math to learn that a hypothetical finish date for AWAM is somewhere in the middle of the century!
That is simply an unsustainable "speed" of development, no matter what some deluded hardcore fans of his think! We know also that L&P was able to deliver not quickly, but faster and meatier updates in the first years and that he masively upgraded his computer hardware. That leaves just end result: L&P deliberately drags his feet, there is no other sensible explanation.

While discussing the coming events, like Dylan´s visit to Amber or Sophia and Liam possible swing with their friends, is quite nice, but they might be the last events being made. I would not bet on e.g. playday 16 ever being created, since at current development, these are events many years away.. And I doubt AWAM will still be developed in 2030. Might be, but the chance of this is very small and it is a bad joke that we have todiscuss these time frames, because other 1 or two person developers are able to make high-quality games far quicker than L&P ever will.

I'm certainly not young (the 'daft' will have to be ascertained by an independent source!).
I don't believe I said anything about L&P becoming 'quicker', or anything about the speed of progress, just how I personally would prefer the updates to come.

Unless someone knows the lifestyle of a developer, people cannot make informed statements or comments about their speed of progress.
On the one hand you may be absolutely correct, on the other L&P could have been going through a stressful personal period which seriously affected his progress, but all some people are interested in is demanding when are they getting their next fix.......which is why I wouldn't deem to make comment on it.

 

[xxxorro]

But tell me how will you account for the two situations. One where she did go all the way in the spur of the moment and one where she didn't. As you said this should be like a dam breaking and affecting others routes. But can any writer truly account for this.
In one scenario she refused and hence the barriers stay. That means the scenes with other characters can't go far. In the other case, so should let be less reserved and accepting. This cannot be covered by mere dialogue changes. He will have to make an additional scene do differentiate something so big.
Plus the complications such as some players don't play certain routes. So which routes to add this effect to and which not to. Almost all storylines will need additional scenes or dialogues because of such a huge rift and you say it will only he realistic if she loosens up.
You will have to remember that on the route that she refuses L&P will still have to move the other routes logically. So we might end with situation such as

Case 1 ( she had sex that night ) - Sam gets blowjob in this scenario and Sophia allows Ellie to stimulate her.
Case 2 ( she didn't give in ) - Sam only gets a handjob and Ellie is not allowed to stimulate her.

Next scene for these routes. Will cause the problem.
Now L&P has to account for the scene where Sam only got a handjob and logically move to Sam getting a blowjob. But that is something already seen in the other route. He will be accused of making the same kind of content again and again.

We have to remember that this is not actual life. Certain limitations cannot be overcome. We all are playing based on our choices. If this were a kinetic novel it was possible to do whatever he wishes with the story. Right now he has to take all permutations and combinations into consideration and move the story in a way, so that he doesn't have to create a similar scene again or make two renders for the same thing. Infact in order to avoid that he moved Emma to the next class. So he doesn't have to make Emma and Cool Emma.

Well, that's kind the question I was asking, I'm simply curious *if* and *how* all these interactions will play out.
It's already the case that some parts of the dialogues depend on previous actions/conditions, e.g. whether she had or not sex with Liam, there are just different dialogues/thoughts that makes things coherent with the situation.

So at the very least one could expect that such a big and defining event as the extramarital affair have some influence on **just the dialogues** to account different thoughts or exchanges based on whether that happened or not. To use your example, I'm not saying that the outcome of another later event with a different character **has to be** different based on whether the event on PD 16 happened or not. But I think that there will be (or even should be) some influence and the dialogues/thoughts will be a little different but all leading to the same outcome for this new event, otherwise we will have again that sort of "reset effect".

And don't get me wrong, I'm always for minimising the entropy, even in RL , so I'm all in for keeping it simple and manageable and avoid that branching madness you mention. But once you have all these intertwined storylines you cannot expect that they proceed as completely watertight, self-contained paths when major events like the first extramarital affair happen (assuming the events are on "compatible" path, obviously). I emphasized cannot expect in the sense of preserving the storytelling quality of this VN, and, if you will, the so-much-discussed "realism".

 

[Sabertooth__]

Well, that's kind the question I was asking, I'm simply curious *if* and *how* all these interactions will play out.
It's already the case that some parts of the dialogues depend on previous actions/conditions, e.g. whether she had or not sex with Liam, there are just different dialogues/thoughts that makes things coherent with the situation.

So at the very least one could expect that such a big and defining event as the extramarital affair have some influence on **just the dialogues** to account different thoughts or exchanges based on if that happened or not. To use your example, I'm not saying that the outcome of another later event with a different character **has to be** different based on whether the event on PD 16 happened or not. But I think that there will be (or even should be) some influence and the dialogues/thoughts will be a little different but all leading to the same outcome for this new event, otherwise we will have again that sort of "reset effect".

And don't get me wrong, I'm always for minimising the entropy, even in RL , so I'm all in for keeping it simple and manageable and avoid that branching madness you mention. But once you have all these intertwined storyline you cannot expect that they proceed as completely watertight, self-contained paths when major events like the first extramarital affair happen (and the events are on "compatible" path, obviously). I emphasized cannot expect in the sense of preserving the storytelling quality of this VN, and, if you will, the so-much-discussed "realism".

The only plausible solution that will avoid having to create anything additional would be to keep all routes close to each other in terms of progress. That way an extra marital affair on one route might not be an extremely huge step and the other routes can account for it by mere dialogues itself, without having to move the two different scenarios at different paces.

This in my opinion is the reason why we see that there is continuously the game of who is at the top of the list in being most intimate with Sophia. Every route is being moved closer to each other, so that it becomes easier for L&P to account for the progress of all storylines and know exactly where Sophia is and write the next scene based on that knowledge. It prevents unnecessary branching and renders for the same scene.

 

[Turret]

I'm certainly not young (the 'daft' will have to be ascertained by an independent source!).
I don't believe I said anything about L&P becoming 'quicker', or anything about the speed of progress, just how I personally would prefer the updates to come.

Unless someone knows the lifestyle of a developer, people cannot make informed statements or comments about their speed of progress.
On the one hand you may be absolutely correct, on the other L&P could have been going through a stressful personal period which seriously affected his progress, but all some people are interested in is demanding when are they getting their next fix.......which is why I wouldn't deem to make comment on it.

Hi! That explains your PoV better, thanks! Well, I have seen the development of AWAM from the start and it is one reason I have such a low opinion of L&P. No matter what he promised or what tall tales he made, the development speed only dropped, never got higher.
I am a hobby writer myself and have stories out there, so I know quite a bit what fucked up things, esp. personal, can derail your development or the worst of all, writer´s block. That can really push you through the mangle, because you never know long the block will go on.

BUT and that is why I am sure L&P is deliberately slow, he told us all that he works about 11 hours a day on the game, what a cool rig he now has for rendering and there was never a mention of writers block. For all this talk and good work surroundings he supposedly has, his output is abyssal!
Something is foul in the state of Denmark, so to speak, either he has personal problems (then why not talk about that? Other developer´s, e.g. Eva Kiss, admitted to have personal stuff or wrtier´s block interfering and as a writer myself, I feel with them. And would never bash a dev who admits to such problems, because I know how serious they can be) or what is far more likely, L&P found out he can get money for minimal work, since he has a nice number of gullible patrons, who swallow everything with hook, line and sinker.

 

[qzbuyfhsef]

What ?! There's not even an animation when Amber opens the door for Dylan in the next update? It's sad, isn't it?

 

[blackfoxeyesred]

As I've said before, in my mind the only way I see Sophia having heterosexual sex is if she and Liam agree to their friends offer of wife swapping or Liam has an affair and Sophia finds out about it.
Even a handjob for Sam would be pushing her boundaries (without alchohol), especially as that could have been easily accomplished with less problems, with Dylan in the beach hut.
Personally, I think the next step for Sophia is with a woman.
Before, I thought in the shower with Ellie (and maybe Jules), but now maybe at the ranch?!

As an aside, I'm not going to knock L&P. He's given a lot of people something they want and like and he's not Disney/Pixar.
If it takes time, so be it.
The only comment I have is I'd rather wait 6 or more months and get several days (a weeks?!) gameplay rather than one scene (or a couple of renders depending on the route) a month.

For me Sophia's heterosexual afair seems realy plausible, in some routes Sophia has moments where she find herself close to the edge, holding on to not surrender for some deep desire, snd about her husband "Liam" he did take a good look at Cathy and had some dirty thoughts when she was trying on the wedding dress, what makes that talk abot swapping partiners seems easier to happen, I also do think there can be a double route where she say no and lead Liam to have an afair with Cathy, and other where both agree and you now what will probabli happen then.

My opinion about update is that what L&P is doing now is a realy good thing, short scenes in short time is I am not mistaken he's taking about 2 months now for update, I like this way it also give a option to wait for more updates if you prefer play more scenes on the game at once.

 

[Saip12c]

june looking a possibility

July second week !!

 

[lupogba6]

July second week !!

if the speed its going right now remains constant
end of june is a real possibility
which also means its a 150 renders update again

 

[Lord_Xanatos]

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[Shota team]

Sofia loves young hot, if you know what I mean, she needs to be pushed, and her fall into the abyss of debauchery will be fatal

 

[blackfoxeyesred]

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Run forrest run

 

[lockerxx]

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[blackfoxeyesred]

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she is coming for him

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

Will the game or page 5000 come out first?

 

[ancienregimele]

The "wild" event is planned for PD16, not 19. It's the first sex scene with Sophia on the Filthy route that is PD19. So I'm guessing the "wild" event, although apparently something we wont expect, will be something leading up to sex, like a bj or hj.

Since one of the original financing goals was L&P dropping out of college to focus on the game, I always assumed he was around 20 when he started the game. Which would only put him at around 25 now.

You're right about the "wild" event. I think I've mentally put it to one side to focus on the probable actual sex on PD19. This is because of the divergence of personal opinion with what L&P thinks "hot AF" & what I think & the probability that "wild" could be just as open to interpretation.

When it comes to the Dev's age, no-one really knows (AFAIK) but I remember years ago there was some discussion which seemed to confirm he was in his early 30s. He could have been a "mature student" in further education. I've tended to believe that sort of age because of the attention to detail & research for some scenes, e.g. the art class lecture. Some fans, (mainly young?), thought it was boring but I surmised that a younger Dev would never have bothered with such detail.....& who can forget the guitar lesson?

 

[Lord_Xanatos]

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[lockerxx]

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holy shit can i dream with the update in the end of the month

 

[Talcum Powder]

holy shit can i dream with the update in the end of the month

I'm actually starting to feel something I haven't felt in regards to this game in quite a while: optimism.