VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.211] [Lust & Passion]

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nexer

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Bane71 said:
In terms of efficiency, you're right! But from the point of view of the relationship between users who receive a product for free and a developer, users have no right to demand! It is a fact! You can express your opinion, but no more. Everything else is not true and not constructive.
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It's just my opinion, no demands.
 
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Bane71 said:
In terms of efficiency, you're right! But from the point of view of the relationship between users who receive a product for free and a developer, users have no right to demand! It is a fact! You can express your opinion, but no more. Everything else is not true and not constructive.
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I for one, started playing this game last year. I could've rated this game right away, but i gave it 1 year to see what's the scene, guess we can tell how it turned out. You know, in product management people prioritize the product, what's the point of having an overly designed car exterior when from inside, technically it's average?

Besides, it doesn't make sense to not criticise his con arts. When you buy something out of sympathy and assert your choice upon personal preferences, you'll have problems seeing flaws in your choice. It's called confirmation bias, where people auto validate their choices based on belief that someone is well intended. To be honest, that's why i abstained myself from most updates and kept my criticism at the bay, on that note, this update was unexcusable.

I think you may agree with me that if he's taking for example, 250 days, it automatically implies this will be a 250 days worth of content update.
The simple fact he has no problem dragging this for half a decade just shows who he really is.
 
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djhillyhill said:
I for one, started playing this game last year. I could've rated this game right away, but i gave it 1 year to see what's the scene, guess we can tell how it turned out. You know, in product management people prioritize the product, what's the point of having an overly designed car exterior when from inside, technically it's average?

Besides, it doesn't make sense to not criticise his con arts. When you buy something out of sympathy and assert your choice upon personal preferences, you'll have problems seeing flaws in your choice. It's called confirmation bias, where people auto validate their choices based on belief that someone is well intended. To be honest, that's why i abstained myself from most updates and kept my criticism at the bay, on that note, this update was unexcusable.

I think you may agree with me that if he's taking for example, 250 days, it automatically implies this will be a 250 days worth of content update.
The simple fact he has no problem dragging this for half a decade just shows who he really is.
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I understand you, but I can only slightly agree with you and only because I also understand that if L&P had rich managerial experience or a good project management manager, then the result would satisfy most of us.

But he took all the work on himself, and we have what we have and cannot change it with any criticism
 
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sinnemmx said:
yes and soon this too will be deleted, the criterion by which mods clean up discussions is somewhat strange, I have deleted a post where I wished happy new year
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I have post deleted too.No idea what are they thinking.I was only commenting that day 11 takes 9 months
 
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We have to be guarded in what we say. I've noticed that several people have had their comments removed, as I have myself, under Rule 1. Admittedly, I used the F-word but in describing my own complicated life & not directing it at someone else. Anyway, life's too short, so in order to stay on topic & focus on AWAM I wish to say that I'm thoroughly p..... off, sorry peeved at the standard of criticism displayed by some commenters after the latest update. Also I wish to put on record my disgust, bordering on contempt, at the number of facepalms distributed by several, (usually new), members. I won't name anyone but I do wish to say something. I'm not the only one receiving this negativity & it's the same posters targeting anything & everything it seems.
If you live long enough to grow up you'll find that not everybody in the world agrees with your views. You can choose to ignore them, which is often the best option, as you won't change their minds. If you choose to indicate your disapproval, or a contrary view, you'll find that you may need to explain why you feel differently. If you don't there is no facepalm symbol to hand them. Try to palm their face & you'll get yours belted.
I respect people with different opinions to me when they express them properly & I'll debate with anybody about AWAM. This is just a game but it's like the game of football (soccer) & it generates a certain amount of passion. So, in summary, give me a counter view &/or a reason you disagree & you'll get respect, otherwise no. Rant over.
 
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djhillyhill said:
He's been criticized for much less. I am not a mafia expert either, i just happen to like the settings behind the mafia world and i've been reading books, podcasts movies, games, you name it, for years about the subject. There was no way i wasn't going to nitpick, the urge is to strong. But then again, if you see a real mobster in america saying cumare, feel free to show send me the link!
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Well, if you see a real mobster stating "cumare" is nonsense, please share the link as well. For now, I'll just enjoy things as they are.
I liked the update, yes it was short and as usual a lot of teasing. I do not consider AWAM a sort of text book on how Mafia works, not more than I consider Jack Reacher as a paradigm of what an Army officer really does or the Bourne saga a truthful representation of secret services. It's fiction, to me a good approximation to likelihood is quite enough.

Only thing I was a bit disappointed with was the shower scene, I confess I was expecting a bit more. Other than that, I am quite happy. Of course I respect that other people might not be at all.
 
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gingersweetgirl said:
Sorry but I don't agree. Calling someone names because you're upset is lame. Whether it's trolls on here calling L&P a milker, or your dev friend calling critics Neanderthals, I think both are really immature ways to express yourself. That doesn't mean your dev friend is a bad person, but it doesn't help their argument in my opinion.

That said, we're dangerously close to getting off topic and getting our posts deleted by the mods. So I would bring it back to AWAM more directly.

If L&P released this update without a single change within a 60 - 75 day window from the previous release, my opinion of it would be 180 degrees different. Waiting 100+ days for this release was too long in my opinion to justify its content. The content isn't awful by AWAM standards, it's just that there's too little of it and we waiting too long.

That said, I think the sauna scene was really poorly constructed and needed improvements. But if L&P can't do much to increase the speed of his development, I'm not sure what the alternative was to a longer delay. Eventually you reach a point of diminishing returns, and I've said before that I'm afraid that L&P is at, or beyond, that point. That isn't meant as a criticism of him per say, just that whatever his technique is for producing this game is not conducive to both quality renders and timely releases. I believe fully that L&P is doing his best, and pursuing perfection, but I think that pursuit is causing him blind spots and hurting the product in other ways. That's why I bring up the idea of diminishing returns, he's putting in more work than ever but it isn't necessarily resulting in proportional improvement in the product.

But, if his Patrons are happy, then that's really all that matters. If his Patreon continues to grow then clearly my opinion is not shared by the people that matter most. I dropped my support, but if he gains two more supporters than the jury has spoken and he should keep doing what he's doing.
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Assuming that after me and that Dev shared our views on the matter a couple of times and we have become friends is ... a little bit too much, don't you think? His own thoughts reflected in my post, nothing more. Then you and me are even closer friends, almost ...

That's the beauty and advantage of civilized converstaion, not trying to humiliate each other or prove at all cost who's right.
I've already given my voice about this subject and basically yihman1 said the same thing: we know nothing about his personal circumstances. It's the equation with many variables, one can lead to another and vice versa. Patience is a virtue and it has no corellation with this thread.

And of course you feel yourself not in your plate after supporting him for quite some time, hoping for extraordinary content, which was promised to be delivered within 2 months period. And in the eyes of some most vocal folks, but not the majority, the game landed straight on its face. Is it a failure? His Patreon page proves otherwise. That's the only indicator on a dashboard L&P cares about, and he's absolutely right in doing so.

What is this game? It's not even a semifinished product, it's still an exquisite wrap with some fillings inside. It's game-in-progress, and we witness its advancement practically in real time. Wouldn't it be awesome to get updates every 2 months like a clock and not once in a while? Sure, but what's the probability of that? I'll meet yeti sooner, I guess.
 
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Old dog said:
No body is perfect in this game and they all have there agenda to get what they want.
The pygmy is no better than anybody else in this game but he is pushy to get what he wants
Ellie is manipulating to get what she wants.
Sam is more cunning gentle if you want to call it that
Zac is passive unsure.
So stop painting the pygmy as this wonderful guy because he is not, nobody is perfect in this game.
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Ellie and Sophia are perfect in this game :p :LOL:
 
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