VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.211] [Lust & Passion]

[Poser_Voyeur]

It will be bad, whatever happens, if Liam finds out. I hope it won't lead to death because too many games present death as a choice & there's enough of this in RL, without introducing it to what is meant to be an entertaining escapist sexy fantasy. Murder & suicide are also very real options in an unfaithful partner scenario. It's apparent that many fans are young & may not have experienced the disintegration of a marriage, or long-term relationship, (I'm talking years of living with the same person, kids etc.). I could be, (& hope), I'm wrong but this makes me think that they might like Liam out of the picture in whatever way it happens. There is no gung-ho attitude available to those in a divorce situation such as this, even for those who, on finding out, manage to make love to someone else within days or weeks of the break-up, this is not the start of some wonderful new-found 'freedom.' Imagine that Liam discovers Sophia has been in a 'liaison" with Dylan. Doing nothing would not be an option. Killing his wife & son, then himself would be at one extreme but remember that those poor folks in such a situation are not in their right minds. [I'm fully aware that we're talking about pixels here & no actual person will be harmed but nor will there be "ahegao" faces all round.....I HATE ahegao faces!].
There are numerous strong emotions generated by this unfortunate circumstance which should not be under-stated, even in a game. We are talking about one of the most traumatising of experiences, which regretably is very common.
If & when Sophia's faithlessness is discovered it will be a mighty challenge to L&P's writng skills as to how it is handled. He has shown great story-telling ability on occasion but there have also been many examples of superficial writing. I hope the former prevails in this future scenario, unless of course, Liam never finds out.

ancienregimele - can I encourage you to use paragraphs? I find your replies to b a big long wall of text that I find difficult and tiring on my eyes to read, which is a shame as I think you often post sensible stuff, even if I don't always agree with you.

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

After my previous comments the game kind of got stucked on my mind.. So one day i used a mod and followed the lesbian route. I really didn't think i would enjoy it as much as i did but their showering moments and attraction was VERY hot and enjoyable. It's still much teasing but more action than with her (cucked whiney) son. I'm stocked for the next patch! Too bad it might take a while :/

What storyline do you guys/girls think is the best?

I'm a heterosexual male who can't wait to see Sophia take dick from someone other than Liam. For example I am keen to see more romantics scenes with Sam. And yet I was also wanting to see how far characters like Aiden, Mr Bennett and more recently Larry could push Sophia to go beyond her comfortable societal boundaries.

But I have still admitted previously that so far the three hottest scenes for me have been 1) Sophia + Julia + Ellie by the pool, 2) Sophia + Ellie in their v115 shower scene, and 3) Sophia + Alyssa + Antonio,

(Now the frustration is that 3rd scene from V100 update is an either/or to the route that gives you the other two scenes. I understand that L&P will have to start introducing either/or choices because of the excess of characters introduced. But I still wish that we had nt had to make that choice in v100).

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

Which is why I think that when Sophia cheats with someone it will be devesting for Liam but can you imagine the pain/hurt/anger he will feel when Liam discovers that Sophia has also cheated on him with his own flesh and blood,betrayed by his family.
Which is also why I think that the final ending will need to be dark to fit the deed aa this is not just simple cheating.

In many landlady/roommate games the "landlord" is either not around (the game being set immediately after he has died is a common trope) or that he is being depicted in an obviously unsympathetic way that it is ok for the MC to cheat with landlady / roommate.

L&P has made it difficult for himself in two ways. Firstly with his overriding objective of "realism". Secondly with his depiction of Liam. Now personally I find Liam to seem to be greedy, working late an/or gambling to get that executive lifestyle rather than spending time and attention on his goddess of a wife, and seemingly also neglecting to spend sufficient time with his kids. Now some of that might b due to Liam's jealously of Carl.

It would be interesting to see how Liam reacts if Sophia has to sleep with Larry to prevent either them losing that house and/or Liam to be beaten up by the Mafia because otherwise he can't repay the casino debt fast enough. I have wondered if that would be a way to introduce Sophia cheating in a way that Liam HAS to accept. Them being placed in a sort of "Indecent Proposal" sort of situation. And that might break the dam because once Sophia has cheated once even for understandable reasons...…

Otherwise, without any evidence of Liam cheating himself (and you and Alley Cat have mentioned a few times that L&P had ruled out Liam ever cheating), it is difficult to see how the series could end on a good note if Liam finds out that Sophia had cheated. The only way to avoid that would be for Sophia to cheat in a way that Liam NEVER finds out.

 

[cakeny]

You’re right about it’s your choice to choose and if you don’t want to see it then don’t choose it, but the only problem is you may have to take it because you may need x amount of filthy point and/or y amount of support character points to advance a particular storyline. L&P already said, using GTA as a reference, that you may not like a path but you might not have a choice but to take it to advance a story or scene. If you don’t take it, the reader may end up getting block from further development in that path.

If you wish to avoid scenes and still get points, could edit savefile or use mod that lets you edit points in game.

but can he run crysis? or Cyberpunk 2077?

More importantly, can it run Commander Keen?

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

More lovely girl on girl action, and I would love to see more between these two.

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Julia's innocence made that scene so hot. That moment when she is finally able to kiss and fondle the woman of her dreams. And then when Sophia initially stops her and Julia bashfully apologises. The next few renders did nt show much but were so hot as Sophia wrestles with her own feelings and has an inward mental argument before deciding to change her mind. That is why this scene is currently my personal favourite so far.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

If you wish to avoid scenes and still get points, could edit savefile or use mod that lets you edit points in game.

The game wasn’t design with a mod as that was not the intentions of L&P as he stated before about the GTA reference. Now with that said, you can download a fan made mod to bypass events you don’t like but it does take away from how the story was suppose to be told by the author.

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

• If Liam doesn't find out about Sophia's relationships with Ellie and/or Dylan, that would be a major cop-out by L&P. But you aren't crazy to suggest that he may skip it. But doing so would be a mistake.
• I haven't gotten that far yet in my GW playthrough, but from my understanding it shows a flaw in Sophia's character (a flaw that I think is intentional from the writing). If she feels that her marriage is on the line, then she's not doing a good job of communicating that with Liam- and I think that's an intentional decision by L&P. To my knowledge, Sophia hasn't really expressed her concerns to Liam, and frankly they feel a little unwarranted. Yes, the sex hasn't been good lately (though I think it has gotten better), and Liam's been working long hours; but these are understandable tradeoffs in a long-term marriage when life is stressful. Whatever Liam's failings, I think Sophia is being a little unfair in her concerns.
• In my opinion, Patricia's obsession with Sophia exists as a curiosity as to how far she can push Sophia. Patricia and Carl have established rules in their relationship that Patricia has clearly verbalized. So, while Patricia is definitely interested in corrupting Sophia, I don't think she intends or realizes how susceptible Sophia is to those efforts. I admit, this is all purely me speculating, but I do think that Patricia has Sophia's best interests at heart. And while Patricia may think that getting Sophia to loosen up is in Sophia's best interest, I don't think Patricia intends for Sophia to cross the line. We'll know a lot more about Patricia's intentions if/when lines start to get pushed with Ellie while Patricia is around. In the end though, I don't think Patricia wants Sophia's life to be ruined, and that's what will happen if the full Filthy Route is pursued.

Now part of that is that Patricia has a cast-iron agreement with Carl that she shows no sign of wanting to push the boundaries, in that she is allowed to flirt and have some fun but that she won't have any dick in her pussy apart from Carl's, Part of that is Patricia and Carl have a strong enough marriage to have actually had that conversation of where to set the boundaries.

We know that Sophia has nt had any such similar conversation with Liam, which as you have pointed out is a consequence of their poor communication. Now part of that fault is Sophia's but personally I place most of that blame at Liam's door, given his tendancy to either stay late at work or go away fishing, not spending enough time with either Sophia, Ellie or Dylan.

Just had a naughty thought re Patricia. That agreement with Carl does nt preclude Anal. And I would certainly be happy with the prospect of seeing Patricia take dick in her tightest hole. But I suspect that is just wild fantasy on m part and that L&P has probably never even CONSIDERED any of his main female characters having anal sex. But it amused me so I thought I would share it, even though most unlikely to ever happen!!

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

Sophia already knew about Liam and his gambling so where did they go?They went to a casino,great choice.
Sophia then left Liam alone to get felt up by Tyler,another great choice.
So you could say that Sophia was selfish in her actions and Liam should of known better.
So you cannot put all the blame o Liam as they both acted very naive

So WHY did we as players do that. I suspect because many are following the Walkthrough trying to maximise her corruption points, myself included.
Now you could argue that Sophia trusted Liam not to be stupid/greedy, and that part of the reason that she went along to the club was to look after Ellie. You could argue that Sophia did nt intend to go to the club to be felt up by Tyler or to kiss Sophia. They are probably both due to alcohol reducing hr inihibitions, but above all due to the choices made by us, the players. There were easily choices we could have taken if we did nt mind missing some scenes and have Sophia act in a more restrained manner.

I agree that cant place ALL the blame for Casino incident on Liam. But I would still argue he should take the MAJORITY of the blame, whilst accepting SOME of the blame should lay with Sophia, in particular because she knew of his gambling tendencies when they were younger IIRC.

 

[MisterG]

...(Now the frustration is that 3rd scene from V100 update is an either/or to the route that gives you the other two scenes. I understand that L&P will have to start introducing either/or choices because of the excess of characters introduced. But I still wish that we had nt had to make that choice in v100).

I also initially thought that I would not like the either/or routes.

But through these different routes and options, I keep discovering new scenes that I didn't know before.
And where I ask myself: Wow, what did I do differently this time?!

This gives the game an enormous replay value for me.
Whereas if I just had to click through the scenes and they were all served to me on a silver platter, I'd be rather bored after a while.
I've become a big fan of these really different routes!
Because the choices mean something and you really change the course of the story.
Although I have to admit that I try to discover as much content as possible in one playthrough.

So far I've made it so that Sophia has the following options open:
1. Patricia / Club
2. Aiden
3. janitor
4. Mr. Bennett
5. hobos
6. alyssa
7. Vicky and DeShaw
8. jailbird (very hot when Sophia imagines it!)
9. unintended but Ellie with her friend. Incest is really not my thing.

Probably unsurprising that the lesbian/filth route offers the most content on one route
But taking Dylan out of school (no Aiden) and thus getting the yoga route with Marie.... pretty darn tempting too.
And Dylan's chance with the neighbor in the pool and.... Aaaarrrgghhh I need to try another route!!!

I'm really excited to see what branch offs there are in the new update.

Cheers,
MisterG

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

One thing to keep in mind regarding the casino and Liam literally losing the house, is that he may have been set up. I don't remember if we discussed this, but it's not impossible that Morello figured out who Liam was in relation to Sophia, and exploited Liam's weakness for gambling to get leverage over Sophia. In the end, this may not be about the money at all, Morello may only be interested in Sophia. It would explain the approach he's taking to Liam and Sophia, Morello almost seems disinterested in the money itself. While it could be that he deduces that there's no way for Liam and Sophia to pay back the money, he doesn't even seem to think about, instead he jumps right to exploiting Sophia. While I don't have any experience with mobsters, the movies tell me that they want their money, so you would think if Morello was motivated by the money he would be looking to make some sort of agreement with Liam to get the money back, even if he had to charge interest.

If this is accurate, then it puts Liam and Sophia in an even worse position. If he's truly fixated on Sophia to the point that he would target Liam in order to get leverage, then there's very little they can do to get his hooks out of their family. They could offer to pay him back tomorrow, I'm not sure he would accept. He wants Sophia, and as he sees it he has the golden ticket- that's worth more than money to him.

 

[cakeny]

So WHY did we as players do that. I suspect because many are following the Walkthrough trying to maximise her corruption points, myself included.
Now you could argue that Sophia trusted Liam not to be stupid/greedy, and that part of the reason that she went along to the club was to look after Ellie. You could argue that Sophia did nt intend to go to the club to be felt up by Tyler or to kiss Sophia. They are probably both due to alcohol reducing hr inihibitions, but above all due to the choices made by us, the players. There were easily choices we could have taken if we did nt mind missing some scenes and have Sophia act in a more restrained manner.

I agree that cant place ALL the blame for Casino incident on Liam. But I would still argue he should take the MAJORITY of the blame, whilst accepting SOME of the blame should lay with Sophia, in particular because she knew of his gambling tendencies when they were younger IIRC.

I did it because skipping club scene screws up Ellie route and wasn't interested in having sex with Liam.

 

[ancienregimele]

ancienregimele - can I encourage you to use paragraphs? I find your replies to b a big long wall of text that I find difficult and tiring on my eyes to read, which is a shame as I think you often post sensible stuff, even if I don't always agree with you.

I will try. Strangely, I got told this at school.....a long time ago!

 

[ancienregimele]

One thing to keep in mind regarding the casino and Liam literally losing the house, is that he may have been set up. I don't remember if we discussed this, but it's not impossible that Morello figured out who Liam was in relation to Sophia, and exploited Liam's weakness for gambling to get leverage over Sophia. In the end, this may not be about the money at all, Morello may only be interested in Sophia. It would explain the approach he's taking to Liam and Sophia, Morello almost seems disinterested in the money itself. While it could be that he deduces that there's no way for Liam and Sophia to pay back the money, he doesn't even seem to think about, instead he jumps right to exploiting Sophia. While I don't have any experience with mobsters, the movies tell me that they want their money, so you would think if Morello was motivated by the money he would be looking to make some sort of agreement with Liam to get the money back, even if he had to charge interest.

If this is accurate, then it puts Liam and Sophia in an even worse position. If he's truly fixated on Sophia to the point that he would target Liam in order to get leverage, then there's very little they can do to get his hooks out of their family. They could offer to pay him back tomorrow, I'm not sure he would accept. He wants Sophia, and as he sees it he has the golden ticket- that's worth more than money to him.

I thought he had her in his sights from the moment she walked into his casino. WAY back a few dozen posts, I outlined my theory & the idea that her winnings were arranged by Morello. I still think all of the above could be possible.

 

[Bane71]

Now part of that is that Patricia has a cast-iron agreement with Carl that she shows no sign of wanting to push the boundaries, in that she is allowed to flirt and have some fun but that she won't have any dick in her pussy apart from Carl's, Part of that is Patricia and Carl have a strong enough marriage to have actually had that conversation of where to set the boundaries.

We know that Sophia has nt had any such similar conversation with Liam, which as you have pointed out is a consequence of their poor communication. Now part of that fault is Sophia's but personally I place most of that blame at Liam's door, given his tendancy to either stay late at work or go away fishing, not spending enough time with either Sophia, Ellie or Dylan.

Just had a naughty thought re Patricia. That agreement with Carl does nt preclude Anal. And I would certainly be happy with the prospect of seeing Patricia take dick in her tightest hole. But I suspect that is just wild fantasy on m part and that L&P has probably never even CONSIDERED any of his main female characters having anal sex. But it amused me so I thought I would share it, even though most unlikely to ever happen!!

And Patricia also has a great mouth! Considering her "sharp tongue" I personally would like to fuck her in the mouth ...
You seem to have correctly noticed that they have an agreement with Karl only about pussy!
And if so, there are still many interesting events with Patricia ahead.

 

[Handsome Bread]

The android version won't install. It gets all the way to the end of the bar, then it just says app not installed. Wtf?

 

[madbloke]

One thing to keep in mind regarding the casino and Liam literally losing the house, is that he may have been set up. I don't remember if we discussed this, but it's not impossible that Morello figured out who Liam was in relation to Sophia, and exploited Liam's weakness for gambling to get leverage over Sophia. In the end, this may not be about the money at all, Morello may only be interested in Sophia. It would explain the approach he's taking to Liam and Sophia, Morello almost seems disinterested in the money itself. While it could be that he deduces that there's no way for Liam and Sophia to pay back the money, he doesn't even seem to think about, instead he jumps right to exploiting Sophia. While I don't have any experience with mobsters, the movies tell me that they want their money, so you would think if Morello was motivated by the money he would be looking to make some sort of agreement with Liam to get the money back, even if he had to charge interest.

If this is accurate, then it puts Liam and Sophia in an even worse position. If he's truly fixated on Sophia to the point that he would target Liam in order to get leverage, then there's very little they can do to get his hooks out of their family. They could offer to pay him back tomorrow, I'm not sure he would accept. He wants Sophia, and as he sees it he has the golden ticket- that's worth more than money to him.

Yes, That is exactly the way I read the situation, I believe it was all set up to get Sophia.

 

[hzjujk]

One thing to keep in mind regarding the casino and Liam literally losing the house, is that he may have been set up. I don't remember if we discussed this, but it's not impossible that Morello figured out who Liam was in relation to Sophia, and exploited Liam's weakness for gambling to get leverage over Sophia. In the end, this may not be about the money at all, Morello may only be interested in Sophia. It would explain the approach he's taking to Liam and Sophia, Morello almost seems disinterested in the money itself. While it could be that he deduces that there's no way for Liam and Sophia to pay back the money, he doesn't even seem to think about, instead he jumps right to exploiting Sophia. While I don't have any experience with mobsters, the movies tell me that they want their money, so you would think if Morello was motivated by the money he would be looking to make some sort of agreement with Liam to get the money back, even if he had to charge interest.

If this is accurate, then it puts Liam and Sophia in an even worse position. If he's truly fixated on Sophia to the point that he would target Liam in order to get leverage, then there's very little they can do to get his hooks out of their family. They could offer to pay him back tomorrow, I'm not sure he would accept. He wants Sophia, and as he sees it he has the golden ticket- that's worth more than money to him.

That would be so boring. Another one who wants to fuck Sophia. I hope L&P came up with something more interesting for Morello. And not just spun an Itrige to get Sophia as his lover. If he only thinks with his dick, how did he become mobsters?

 

[ancienregimele]

That would be so boring. Another one who wants to fuck Sophia. I hope L&P came up with something more interesting for Morello. And not just spun an Itrige to get Sophia as his lover. If he only thinks with his dick, how did he become mobsters?

If he didn't want to fuck Sophia, in at least some part of his consciousness, then he wouldn't be a normal heterosexual man. I would say that he is someone who actually has the power to get what he wants, (unlike, for instance, Mr. Murray!) & can afford to play the long-game, see the big picture etc. He thinks with his dick AND his head in a situation like this. After all, he holds all the cards, so to speak.

This is all just inter-update speculation but I've thought along those lines since Sophia walked into the casino, despite the information we received that this wouldn't be just another "Indecent Proposal" scenario. It already isn't that. Future developments are awaited with interest. One thing is for certain, IMO, & that is that will take more than a prison visit to get rid of the debt.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

Yeah, I think the Morello plot is the one that has the potential to break the game, and Sophia’s corruption, wide open. The plots around Dylan, Patricia, Auden, etc, will all play their parts, but I think the Morello plot has enough firepower to make all of those other plot lines accelerate.

 

[naughtynafz]

anyone noticed this face in the latest 1080p version? old versions didnt have that