VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.211] [Lust & Passion]

[trupervent10001]

 

[sept0342]

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At last! L&P is so fast!

 

[Talcum Powder]

You can choose good wife path right? Sophia should avoid any sexual encounters by using her intelligence and making wise decisions?

Spot on! Yes, it's the player making choices on behalf of Sophia that puts her in these compromising situations. Of course, she could make the "sensible" decisions on the good wife path.

 

[cerebotio2]

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Should we kill him or make him a monument?

 

[Diogenes1984]

Oh everything 100%.... release?

 

[Sabertooth__]

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See, This is what happens when L&P snaps. He brushes past 35 pages of remaining text in half a day.

We should be ashamed of the monster we made L&P. Now version 0.150 will be realised in only 15 days after the this update.

 

[Talcum Powder]

Yeah, right.
"You can play a porn game without ever engaging in porn!"
Errr .... no.

Again.
She is painted as intelligent person while she apparently is not.
Slightly smart at best but not nearly as intelligent as she is made out to be.
And the "Good Wife" path is more tailored to a submissive housewife than an intelligent girl as well.
For instance the "good wife path" includes giving in to blackmail.
The first assignment is relatively easy and comparatively not slutty but I'd wager at the latest the 8th assignment is for having filthy gangbang sex with gang members.
Allegedly she can refuse but I wonder at what point "good wife path" would be done for and replaced by "filthy whore path" ...

Your earlier post you said if you don't want to hear legit criticism then cover your ears. You've just received legit criticism of your point and completely dismissed what トルフィン said.

It is the player's choices that make Sophia appear less "intelligent" and more and more a hapless victim of circumstance. You do have the option to play her as "intelligent" - that is, not placing her in situations that compromise her autonomy.

 

[Talcum Powder]

Intelligence is never a strong indicator for common sense and that is what she lacks as a character. There is a difference between the two things. One can have common sense but also be dumb as rocks on the polar opposite.

Sophia only lacks "common sense" based on player choices.

 

[sept0342]

Oh everything 100%.... release?

Well, everything is at 100% (you can see it in his Patreon as well), so maybe today or tomorrow at the latest!

 

[hzjujk]

Plus there is only one person being at fault for the massive debts of liam and that person goes by the name of sophia.
She made several really big mistakes on that matter alone. Starting by allowing a known gambling addict the casino visit to begin with, continuing with telling an addict basically to stop being addicted and ending by leaving said addict at a place where he can go about his addiction without supervision ...
What exactly did she think would happen?

The whole discussion has happened before.
First of all, it is the player's decision that Sophia leaves her husband alone in the casino. The developer gave the player a choice. Sophia is a virtual character and doesn't make any decisions at all.
On the other hand, Liam's gambling addiction is mentioned only once in the whole story. Only at the beginning when introducing the characters. There this problem is spoken of in the past tense and also only by a small problem. There was no indication that it had any effect on the marriage of the two. As far as I can remember it was not even clear whether Sophia even knew anything about this problem. That's why I was totally surprised when I found out about Liam's huge gambling debt.
That's why I didn't undo MY decision to choose this route.

 

[Talcum Powder]

I wish we all underestimated the ability of L&P, so that he really surprised us all, in a positive way!

Or he's been fudging the progress updates for time now. Either way, I can move up my preparations by a couple of weeks!

 

[Sabertooth__]

Alright so below is the ideas post I made awhile



Below is a long post with all of Aiden 12 tasks that I would personally do and suggest for L&P, yet again, these are very unlikely to happen as L&P going to do what L&P going to do. However, while you wait for the next update, enjoy.

Aiden Tasks

1. Don't wear a bra and show she isn't to the whole class
   
2. Wear a sexy dress and showed her panties to Aiden, then full class
   
3. Looks like it is wearing a sexy catsuit in public somewhere, not a fan of this but maybe it be better than I think. However, I do think Sophia potentially stands up for herself and makes it clear she never do any tasks like that in public again. Also, Aiden is smart enough to know not to push it and therefore keeps it in class.
   
4. Sophia is instructed to wear a top as she wore in task 1 but a sexy skirt as short as dress in task 2. Also, she is not to wear any bra or panties. Just like task 2, Aiden calls her back to class and she lifts her skirt up to prove she not wearing panties. Aiden gives her 2nd task, which is basically the first 2 tasks combined, she unbuttons the top and pretend she warm and sits on the desk, then uncrosses her legs showing everyone in class she not wearing any panties. However this time, she keeps her legs uncrossed as she really enjoys it and gets lost in the looks she is enjoying getting, then snaps out and crosses her legs again.
   
5. Aiden tells Sophia for next class to wear no bra but to wear whatever top or bottom she wants, she can even wear panties. He let her know what the task is in class, eventually during class Aiden stands up and goes to the front of the class and talks with Sophia in front of the whole class. This is where Sophia learns that her whole class knows about the tasks Aiden making her do, but Aiden threatened them into silence and they know of his Uncle, Aiden told them as he had to make sure no one says anything to the teachers or the principal. We also learn that Aiden had Emma and other students transferred and new students transferred back. After this, Aiden tells Sophia her task, show her boobs to all in class.
   
6. At this point, the class has seen Sophia's boobs and pussy, now it's time for things to escalate more as we at a halfway point in tasks. This is where Aiden pushes Sophia more and it's actually one of the biggest tasks, if Sophia does this, then we reach task 12, if not, we don't, so big choice decision here. Aiden instructs Sophia to wear a sexy dress with no bra and panties, he tells her in class to sit on the desk, hike her dress up and masturbate with class watching. Sophia is initially worried about being caught but Aiden reminds her that the principal doesn't care about classes, other teachers are in their class and no one will disturb a teacher during an active class unless there is an emergency, which Sophia knows is true.
   
7. If Sophia does task 6, then it's a simple escalation from here. Aiden tells her to dress how she wants, he approaches the front of the class and tells Sophia to give him a blow-job in front of the whole class. At this point, Sophia is doing task more out of enjoyment and excitement of what she has to do next, then protecting Dylan, Zach and other students.
   
8. Aiden instructs Sophia to arrange a day trip for class to somewhere different for class to be held, it's a location where privacy is a guarantee and Aiden instructs Sophia to hold the class in the nude. Local museum maybe? Might be a better idea to be a day trip to a swimming pool where Sophia has to wear a revealing bikini and gets nude at a private part of the pool that Aiden's Uncle owns. The museum would coincide with the 2 guys Sophia and Patricia arrange to go to the museum with.
   
9. Aiden instructs Sophia to wear the normal sexy dress with no bra and panties, this time he bends her over the table, so she facing the class and he fucks her while her boobs are out.
   
10. Aiden learns that the guys on the team have been trying to spy on Sophia when she showers after sports practice/class, Sophia always locks the door to the room. Aiden tells her to keep the door unlocked and to put on a show where she masturbates for them. Sophia is unaware but Aiden gets financially paid to do this.
    
11. Aiden fucks Sophia in class again but this time it's in front of the desk but Sophia still bent over, and his friend who sits next to him fucks Sophia's mouth. Spit-roast.
    
12. Another school trip but either it's a camping trip or a trip that ends up with the class at Sophia's home. I don't know how to finish these tasks for sure, I don't think Aiden should push Sophia into letting everyone in the class fuck her but that could be an ending point, but it does need to be a big sexual event to end with. However, I think it's more likely Sophia has to give everyone in the class a blowjob or go down on every woman in class that wants one, but it could just be a 3some with Aiden and his friend + Sophia in a tent or in Sophia's bed.

The tasks you mentioned are a bit too centered on her clothes. Seeing how L&P does things, I really don't expect the whole flashing to the class go upto tasks 7 or 8. Things will change. Infact they already have with this 3rd task. It will be a bit too boring for every task to be about her getting naked Infront of class etc.
I too have an idea for a task that I would really want to see and also believe all of us on the thread would like to see, and it is in accordance to the nature of the game. But I will tell it to you guys after thinking a little more about it.

 

[Talcum Powder]

The tasks you mentioned are a bit too centered on her clothes. Seeing how L&P does things, I really don't expect the whole flashing to the class go upto tasks 7 or 8. Things will change. Infact they already have with this 3rd task. It will be a bit too boring for every task to be about her getting naked Infront of class etc.
I too have an idea for a task that I would really want to see mad also I believe all of us on the thread would like to see, and it is in accordance to the nature of the game. But I will tell it to you guys after thinking a little more about it.

Agree, the list provided assumes a static dynamic of teacher/student and teacher/classroom is maintained for quite a long time (number of tasks, that is). Task 3 is already breaking these dynamics so it's hard to see tasks coming back to the classroom so many times.

I, too, have thoughts on future tasks and, like you, don't know if they would throw the characters and story into a bit of a wobble.

 

[Sabertooth__]

So you blame the addict for being addicted?

That is the easy explanation but hardly a correct one.
Substitute "gambling" with "taking heroin" or "taking meth".
Can they do anything about it themselves?
Only when the moon lines up with Jupiter, Saturn and Mercury while standing in the blood of a virgin and reading a prophecy in arameic. Backwards. I.e. it is extremely hard.
A gambling addiction is just as hard to overcome. Especially without help.
So yes. Sophia should have done something about it.
Denying the evening in the casino would have been the obvious choice but she didn't. She went with him.
Failing that she could have contacted the casino owner/security and made sure Liam is denied a debt.

Ergo it is her fault. The intelligent woman did nothing intelligent and in fact something extremely stupid. Leaving an addict alone in the addictive environment.

First and foremost you need to understand that Sophia is only as dumb as the player. She can avoid every situation but if she is in it, it is because of the player.
About the whole gambling thing. You have the option to decide if Sophia will take Liam with her or leave him alone. If you feel Sophia Should take Liam as it could be dangerous to let him be alone then take him. Liam is a mature man himself. He doesn't need to be monitored. The guy has had a family he has been taking care after for 20 years. And you blame it on Sophia for being dumb to not predict that today all of a sudden Liam will get into a huge debt, when he never has been in that situation before. Assuming this from the fact that Sophia never mentioned anything about debts caused due to gambling by Liam in the past when he told her that he has a huge debt. This was a first time, so she is not to blame. It is solely Liam

 

[Old Dog]

5%? fuck yeah (hey is moving!! it counts )

Spot on! Yes, it's the player making choices on behalf of Sophia that puts her in these compromising situations. Of course, she could make the "sensible" decisions on the good wife path.

The bad ending for the GW path is the filthy route ending so it maybe not as clear cut as you think

 

[Old Dog]

Should we kill him or make him a monument?

 

[Notretsam]

Vulgarity,

wow, use vulgar and common people in reply Scarlet, word choice seems a bit odd. there is NOTHING vulgar about my task suggestions. The tasks are about taken Sophia out of our comfort zone and seeing how far would she go, the tasks do that and some.

The more Sophia is willing to do, the more likely she does sexual acts with multiple people at the same time, there is nothing vulgar about that.

Personally, I think Sophia can go quite far in the erotic and porn sense, but it won't be overtly vulgar. She will come to practically depraved actions gently through eroticism and sensuality, somewhere showing weakness, and somewhere giving in to her deepest desires.

Yeah I think she can quite far as well but I don't see L&P taken Sophia as far as my later tasks go but there is definitely a logical path to her going all the way so to speak.

The tasks you mentioned are a bit too centered on her clothes. Seeing how L&P does things, I really don't expect the whole flashing to the class go upto tasks 7 or 8. Things will change. Infact they already have with this 3rd task. It will be a bit too boring for every task to be about her getting naked Infront of class etc.
I too have an idea for a task that I would really want to see and also believe all of us on the thread would like to see, and it is in accordance to the nature of the game. But I will tell it to you guys after thinking a little more about it.

yeah, task 3 with the catsuit in public does suggest tasks are leaving the classroom, I think that is a shame. Guess we wait and see, I can always edit after each task is released.

 

[Old Dog]

wow, use vulgar and common people in reply Scarlet, word choice seems a bit odd. there is NOTHING vulgar about my task suggestions. The tasks are about taken Sophia out of our comfort zone and seeing how far would she go, the tasks do that and some.

The more Sophia is willing to do, the more likely she does sexual acts with multiple people at the same time, there is nothing vulgar about that.



Yeah I think she can quite far as well but I don't see L&P taken Sophia as far as my later tasks go but there is definitely a logical path to her going all the way so to speak.



yeah, task 3 with the catsuit in public does suggest tasks are leaving the classroom, I think that is a shame. Guess we wait and see, I can always edit after each task is released.

Task 4 is back in the classroom and I do think that some sexual act will happen with the tasks as there is only so much that you can do with clothes.
In sexual tasks I mean foreplay not sexual intercourse with Aiden or his gang.

 

[Talcum Powder]

The bad ending for the GW path is the filthy route ending so it maybe not as clear cut as you think

You're expanding the point beyond its scope: The point we're tackling at this exact moment is very narrow: that Sophia can be played as "intelligent" if the player chooses.

Sure, the story through circumstances and character actions beyond Sophia's control or even within her control could drive a Good Wife "bad" ending or a Filthy Wife "good" ending or anywhere in between. Only time will tell.

 

[Alley_Cat]

The tasks you mentioned are a bit too centered on her clothes. Seeing how L&P does things, I really don't expect the whole flashing to the class go upto tasks 7 or 8. Things will change. Infact they already have with this 3rd task. It will be a bit too boring for every task to be about her getting naked Infront of class etc.
I too have an idea for a task that I would really want to see and also believe all of us on the thread would like to see, and it is in accordance to the nature of the game. But I will tell it to you guys after thinking a little more about it.

Not all of us. I couldn't care less about what Aiden's tasks are, since I don't play the Dylan route enough to need for Sophia to accept to do them. Playing the Ellie route, where she's masturbating in front of Sophia, I half expect the next event to be Sophia masturbating in front of Ellie. Then possibly them fingering each other the event after. And that's by task 5. All it really depends on is if that's considered a sex scene by L&P. It's not penetrative sex, so it's possible.