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VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.211] [Lust & Passion]

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roro said:
He never said the 4th task will be extreme...
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L&P has said that the tasks themselves will not be that extreme but what is L&P definition of extreme.
Also the way that he wrote this post does leave it open to interpretation.
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This is an old post so I don't know how it stands now.
 
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Sabertooth__ said:
Those are mostly characters that actually are good like Ellie, Patricia and Alyssa. Sam has also been popular always as he is the immediate choice for people who don't like Dylan.
I am actually suprised by the amount of votes subway guys had. I'd hardly expect them to have any votes.
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Yes, the subway rapists got more votes than her hubby “Liam the Cuck” what a bunch of sick fucks we are. LOL
 
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roro said:
My interpretation of his post is slightly different. I don't think Aiden tasks will become voluntary to Sophia. She may have an option to end it, but it may have some consequences, so if she chooses no to end it I don't think it's because she likes it, but because she thinks it wasn't that bad until now. Maybe later when it becomes unbearable for her, this opportunity to end Aidens task is lost, and she is forced to continue.
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I would like it if Sophia decides to continue for now and accepts the 4th task. But then there will be no exit for her from the Aiden route till the 9th task where there will be a difficult solution. That would actually make it interesting. You either dropout at 4 or at 9 or complete all of them. No quitting besides these options.
 
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GingerSweetGirl said:
This is not the ringing endorsement you may think it is. Is it too much to ask that we should have fewer games that put women into this position? Do we need games that set women up for unpleasant sexual encounters; and then justify it with flimsy logic to avoid accusations of rape? "She wasn't forced to fuck him, she wanted to get _______ and used sex as a tool to achieve it even though she hated every second of it and took no pleasure in the experience." Like, really? Do we really want Sophia to have unenjoyable sex that is coerced from her? But that's the problem with blackmail stories, right? Either the woman grows to enjoy it which breaks the tension, or she gets coerced into sex and the game finds any excuse to justify it as not rape.

None of this is meant as an accusation of you Sabertooth__ , you're just stating a fact. It's just super frustrating that this is a well known trope in adult games. It happens over, and over, and over again. Putting aside all the ethical implications, it's just lazy writing at this point. I hope AWAM does something new with Aiden, but I'm already wavering in my support. If we get a situation where Sophia fucks Aiden and we get nothing but shots if her unhappy face and inner monologue of her saying "it's ok that I chose this. I'm doing it for Dylan. I just need to get through this. I hate Aiden. I hate that this feels good. God I'm so sorry Liam." I'll fucking puke.
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And do we need more incest games ?

Humiliation is a kink, the stronger willed the woman is, the better it is. If the woman becomes a slut after just one event, it's less interesting. This game is great for that, at least I hope she will break in the end (if your choices lead to that of course)

Some people want her dominant, some people want her submissive. Either should be possible according to your choices

And what about empowered women who use their body on stream ? bad or good position for a woman ?
 
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Sabertooth__ said:
As for Fashion Business, the biggest appeal of the game is that the MC is a strong headed woman and an absolute bitch who doesn't enjoy sexual acts. Even when she has been through the most degrading stuff, she keeps her will strong and always thinks positive that she will get back everything she lost. The day she is broken is the end of game actually.
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Sorry, I don't see it that way. The fashion business game is designed for people who believe (beautiful) women deserve all these indignities simply because they exist. Here men can live out their fantasy of revenge on women because they believe they deserve more attention. I've played the game for a while, Maybe Monica is supposed to be a strong woman, but she's just the caricature of one. It is kept in this state, does not go through any development, because the fans always have reasons to want to "fuck" her again. Just like the figure of Melanie (?), Sovereign at the beginning, she knows how to lead all the assholes around her with her sex appeal, gets her "fair" punishment as the developer makes her a whore and she "enjoys" the whole thing leaves. The game is full of bare skin and sex but almost completely devoid of human behavior.
I can only agree GingerSweetGirl a Sophia drawn (shown) like the MC from fashion business would just suck.

This is not an attack against you!
 
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GingerSweetGirl said:
This is not the ringing endorsement you may think it is. Is it too much to ask that we should have fewer games that put women into this position? Do we need games that set women up for unpleasant sexual encounters; and then justify it with flimsy logic to avoid accusations of rape? "She wasn't forced to fuck him, she wanted to get _______ and used sex as a tool to achieve it even though she hated every second of it and took no pleasure in the experience." Like, really? Do we really want Sophia to have unenjoyable sex that is coerced from her? But that's the problem with blackmail stories, right? Either the woman grows to enjoy it which breaks the tension, or she gets coerced into sex and the game finds any excuse to justify it as not rape.

None of this is meant as an accusation of you Sabertooth__ , you're just stating a fact. It's just super frustrating that this is a well known trope in adult games. It happens over, and over, and over again. Putting aside all the ethical implications, it's just lazy writing at this point. I hope AWAM does something new with Aiden, but I'm already wavering in my support. If we get a situation where Sophia fucks Aiden and we get nothing but shots if her unhappy face and inner monologue of her saying "it's ok that I chose this. I'm doing it for Dylan. I just need to get through this. I hate Aiden. I hate that this feels good. God I'm so sorry Liam." I'll fucking puke.
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Some games provide alternate routes through blackmail, anything from the MC being the same sweet girl she was at the start forced to have sex, to a rampaging pleasure-seeking nymphomaniac, with no morals or worries about STDs, to a cynical drug-ridden slag, & various shades between. I only ever play the first option because I don't want the protagonist's personality to change out of all recognition. I'd rather have a good woman coerced into something bad than do it from free will.

I'm now convinced that blackmail should never have been a part of this game, which would have been all about extra-marital affairs & incest with children & age fetish & shota & newly discovered lesbianism & broken marriages & organised crime & whatever extra kinks Dylan turns out to have. Apparently these are all preferable, even taken together, to any form of coercion. It could have been called 'An Unfaithful Wife & her adventures in the big city.'
Now I see the light.

As it stands, it's going to be a year before the 4th task, so I won't be worrying unduly about it in the meantime. Once Sophia decides to complete the tasks willingly I'll be gone. I'm staying for now because I'm curious about Sam's concert. In the meantime I'll try to post less on this thread because I've never knowingly engaged in the practice known as "flogging a dead horse." Do I hear someone call for 3 cheers?....no....I'll get me coat.
 
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ancienregimele said:
Some games provide alternate routes through blackmail, anything from the MC being the same sweet girl she was at the start forced to have sex, to a rampaging pleasure-seeking nymphomaniac, with no morals or worries about STDs, to a cynical drug-ridden slag, & various shades between. I only ever play the first option because I don't want the protagonist's personality to change out of all recognition. I'd rather have a good woman coerced into something bad than do it from free will.

I'm now convinced that blackmail should never have been a part of this game, which would have been all about extra-marital affairs & incest with children & age fetish & shota & newly discovered lesbianism & broken marriages & organised crime & whatever extra kinks Dylan turns out to have. Apparently these are all preferable, even taken together, to any form of coercion. It could have been called 'An Unfaithful Wife & her adventures in the big city."
Now I see the light.

As it stands, it's going to be a year before the 4th task, so I won't be worrying unduly about it in the meantime. Once Sophia decides to complete the tasks willingly I'll be gone. I'm staying for now because I'm curious about Sam's concert. In the meantime I'll try to post less on this thread because I've never knowingly engaged in the practice known as "flogging a dead horse." Do I hear someone call for 3 cheers?....no....I'll get me coat.
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I have nothing against the extortion route as such. It creates opportunities for the narrator to credibly bring his heroine into situations that would otherwise defy any logical explanation. I would only like it if Sophia goes through the tasks independently. Never completely bow to her blackmailer. Aiden always manages to withdraw. Fills the task with tingly erotic but always confronts blackmail and humiliation with self-confidence. That she actually grows with the tasks so that in the end even Aiden understands that he does not play in the same league as Sophia and gives up.
 
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