VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.211] [Lust & Passion]

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sled_chair said:
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As we all know, "somebody" posted this image with L&P's patreon link, pretending that it is from L&P. I rolled my eyes with people who were actually deceived. The somebody now claims that L&P must have been milking because he was able to make this render in a short time frame.

I don't have any intention to offend him. Actually, I thought it's one of sound renders from a newbie using pre-made lightings, poses and expressions. But he started comparing his work with L&P's. Let's find out why I immediately noticed it's not from L&P.

  • Focus of the image: Story of the scene seems to be about Sophia riding the bull but she was not focused. I can guess it's because her pose turns out ugly and unnatural. But that's a huge lost opportunity there.
  • Camera headlamp turned on: A typical newbie mistake. You forgot to turn off camera headlamp and the lighting is visibly noticeable in the image and breaking realism of the scene because everything (e.g., eyes, skins, ...) is shiny and bright in the front part of the scene. It also means he does not have the renderer's eyes yet.
  • Lighting: Basically no lighting effort. I am not sure what L&P does for his lighting. But his scene includes volumetric ray and HDRI (high-dynamic-range imaging) feel. There is none in the image above because "somebody" just used the light from the environment as it is.
  • Poses and expressions: Somebody tried to express people in the scene amused by Sophia riding bull. But since he used default poses and expression, emotion of the scene feels like a fake smile or a bad acting. And as for Sophia pose, somebody tried to blur, but the unnatural hand/leg poses were noticeable. This would not happen in L&P's
  • Empty tables: OK Let's assume everybody in the scene came to see Sophia but nothing in the tables?
  • Camera angle: not optimized at all. I don't see basics of scene composition. I don't think he even experimented many angles whether focus is on the people or on Sophia.

In summary, the somebody made the scene with pre-made lighting, poses, expression, and so on without optimizing them. And the speedy result may be good for fan art and for some VN, but I don't expect it from L&P's. Ultimately, here is decision you can make. If you are satisfied with this kind of render for VN, go find one. There are hundreds of them, if not thousands. If you not satisfied and you still feel his milking, you might have text fetish. Go to literotica.com and enjoy. Otherwise, please let L&P do his work. He doesn't care about your opinion anyway.
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You had a nice discussion up until "Otherwise, please let L&P do his work. He doesn't care about your opinion anyway."

To be blunt why should the person who did this work care about yours. The most cursory glance of this thread and you would see he rants forever on the same topic. Your best course of action is to use the Ignore option on said poster. It will clear it up the thread for you quickly. No other solution for that poster works as well. Especially, entering any form of discussion. It is like gasoline on a fire for him. Just Sayin!:cool:
 
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leg28 said:
though i can agree on most of your objections regarding fb (fear of losing saves :ROFLMAO: ; i've been there), regarding charachter development i don't see awam's progress in that field. at least in last year or even two. collecting corruption, lesbian, affection points leads nowhere. we have so much internal dilemmas of mc, like lp is some kind of porn game ingmar bergman wannabee. but these dilemmas in latest updates are false, pretencious lamentation and futile, since i see no progress (it is important to stress that i'm playing 100% corruption path and my comments are reflecting charachter development on that path) in fact they are in service of prolonging game's life
regarding sex: fb ep1 also was sex free for mc, but then dev move on toward main issue: it is a porn game of corruption (as is awam too). there got to be sex. lp leads mc to paths that brings her near sex and then instead grand finale, moves her to next path... and here we go again. virtual blue balling. 2 years of sexfree porn game is acceptable (because as you said, good charachter building and story), but everything more is crazy. hell, even victorian romance novels are having more erotica. and that's bad since awam is porn game!
if you are combining above mentioned with his updating process and everything around awam it begins to look more like milking business than creators passion towards details and perfectionism.
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A Sophia that didn't even consider standing in her night dress infront of the movers voluntarily pulled down her towel at the sauna. A Sophia that was annoyed when Dylan grabbed her butt now accepted the groping without any issues. She who doesn't want to even wear a bikini infront of her son, showed her breasts to him. She lay partially naked infront of complete strangers and enjoyed it, something she wouldn't even consider at the start. She willingly pulls her dress up for Larry to see her underwear even though there wasn't an actual need for that. All of this and so much more and yet you say no character progress.

Fashion Business the sex is not consensual in the complete sense. It just happening because the main lead is cornered and the latest update features a gangbang when she is under the influence of alcohol or drugged and can't even remember who she is. Try that with Awam and everyone will flip out.

All who play fashion business are well aware of not to try and find logic in it. There is not much of story. It is a porn game and it delivers for that. Awam has a story, the Dev and his audience both desire logic and believability and not brainless sex. There is a huge gap in what the Dev's are trying to achieve.
If you go by renders the first time Monica has sex with someone after quite abit of time has passed in the game. Even though the Dev does not care about realism he held it out for around 10000 renders. He could do this without being attacked by anybody is because he could make 5times the number of renders L&P can with ease. He reaches 10000 renders in a year, something that has taken L&P 5 years.

As for corruption Monica the main lead has not changed one bit from who she was on day 1 of the game even after 40000 renders. I don't want to go in depth about the game since it's not it's thread. I do like the game for completely different reasons than Awam. But there is no character growth there in any form.
 
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sled_chair said:
  • Focus of the image: Story of the scene seems to be about Sophia riding the bull but she was not focused. I can guess it's because her pose turns out ugly and unnatural. But that's a huge lost opportunity there.
  • Camera headlamp turned on: A typical newbie mistake. You forgot to turn off camera headlamp and the lighting is visibly noticeable in the image and breaking realism of the scene because everything (e.g., eyes, skins, ...) is shiny and bright in the front part of the scene. It also means he does not have the renderer's eyes yet.
  • Lighting: Basically no lighting effort. I am not sure what L&P does for his lighting. But his scene includes volumetric ray and HDRI (high-dynamic-range imaging) feel. There is none in the image above because "somebody" just used the light from the environment as it is.
  • Poses and expressions: Somebody tried to express people in the scene amused by Sophia riding bull. But since he used default poses and expression, emotion of the scene feels like a fake smile or a bad acting. And as for Sophia pose, somebody tried to blur, but the unnatural hand/leg poses were noticeable. This would not happen in L&P's
  • Empty tables: OK Let's assume everybody in the scene came to see Sophia but nothing in the tables?
  • Camera angle: not optimized at all. I don't see basics of scene composition. I don't think he even experimented many angles whether focus is on the people or on Sophia.
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focus is fine and quite l and p like
camera headlamp ? light is coming off from ceiling lamp hanging top of bull
lighting is good enough. same hanging lamp lights above table. could have done more here.
poses and expression learning takes time. fairly equivalent to earliest l and p work. and yes in this image it doesnt look amazing.
empty tables because it is late and people left. can't comment as don't know time and situation there.
camera angle is best part of the render. it explains much in 1 image. patricia engagement in talk. sophia drunk. people luring sophia exposed body. background of scene. mystery to looker of image that what are persons looking.
 
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jonnybravo11 said:
focus is fine and quite l and p like
camera headlamp ? light is coming off from ceiling lamp hanging top of bull
lighting is good enough. same hanging lamp lights above table. could have done more here.
poses and expression learning takes time. fairly equivalent to earliest l and p work. and yes in this image it doesnt look amazing.
empty tables because it is late and people left. can't comment as don't know time and situation there.
camera angle is best part of the render. it explains much in 1 image. patricia engagement in talk. sophia drunk. people luring sophia exposed body. background of scene. mystery to looker of image that what are persons looking.
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Don't pay attention, it's absolutely useless.
 
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momojean said:
you talk about the fact that FB is a team when L&P works alone as to justify the fact that the first produces 10 times more than the last.
No one is stopping L&P from building a team and taking the game to a whole new level if not greed, making the game last forever and most importantly the fear that people will find out about its miserable mechanics and lies that make the game is likely to end in 25 years.

You find it logical that a dev clearly sees that his silly porn game is going to consume half of his life and he continues to do nothing to fix it when there are plenty of solutions available to him as simple as building a team? ( and please don't take me out of the story of perfectionism because I can prove to you that, even if he does a good job, there are also plenty of times when he falls into mediocrity. You are going to tell me that he is human and that he could be wrong? I totally agree. So stop talking about this perfectionism thing) better yet, all of his decisions tend to make it last longer.


In fact I fully understand that L&P is giving us all kinds of pretext given that his goal is to ensure that he has a comfortable income through this game for the next 20 years.

But what I do not understand is that people like you see clearly that they will certainly not see the end of it continue to defend him under the same pretext of perfectionism and his inability to work in a group. Are you really ready to follow this game and jump on the first one to criticize it for the next 20 years?

I believe you too see reality the way critics see it. Except that you are so committed to his defense that you no longer have the audacity to back down like many of his former defendants did.
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As someone who has done marketing and finance I would say that what you suggest is a very poor approach at maximising profit. He can make the game last forever and keep giving quick updates. He doesn't necessarily need to move the story forward, just drop a bit of the believability and add more kinks to the game. The guy can deliver quality scenes. If he builds a team and gives quicker updates by dropping the level of writing he will see a huge surge in his patrons. Add to that sex scenes, his slow speed and lack of scenes is what keeps him patrons so low. He is totally capable of being among the few Devs with 5000 patrons.

This is the second biggest thread on the forum after DPC. Yet he has around 10000+ patrons ( when I checked last ) while L&P is closer to 10% of that. The update content and size is what keeps DPC so popular ( also many other features, not ignoring that ). Bottomline is this that L&P is only reducing his profits. And the only reason why he does that is because he is too passionate about his project.

This might be silly in yours eyes not his that's for sure. He wouldn't take all the trash from people for 4 years for a silly porn game. He cares for what he is doing. Overprotective about his project.

Perfectionism is a what he strives for, doesn't mean he necessarily achieves it. A near perfect scene..... I won't call a single scene even in this game as perfect. The perfectionism is in his mind, and when one strives for that they take time, they overthink, they try hit and trail until they can get to something acceptable.

If he is unable to work with people then that's his issue. I have my issues, you have yours, Similarly he has his. He doesn't want to share his story with anyone it's obvious, artists which can make renders just as good as him aren't many. Artists generally have their own style. There can't be two different styles running in the same game. Maybe Decentmonkey's team is in personal contact with him, or they work in a particular building or maybe he is very trusting, L&P is not. He might not be comfortable sharing all the info about his game with others. Every human has there own nature. Like your nature is to only care about the product and do hell with developer, mine is the think more humanely and be understanding. There is nothing you can do about your nature, nothing I can do about mine. Similarly there's nothing he can do about his.

It you feel too irritated and can't wait 20 years then you better move on to the next game that does give everything you desire. I am very patient as I read mangas too and you only get one chapter a month 30-40 pages, since it's comic style there is hardly any text. Some have 1 chapter in 3 months and only 20-30 pages. The series take decades to finish. This is still better than that, so I'm fine. You can move on to better things. This dev can't work with anyone.
 
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jonnybravo11 said:
focus is fine and quite l and p like
camera headlamp ? light is coming off from ceiling lamp hanging top of bull
lighting is good enough. same hanging lamp lights above table. could have done more here.
poses and expression learning takes time. fairly equivalent to earliest l and p work. and yes in this image it doesnt look amazing.
empty tables because it is late and people left. can't comment as don't know time and situation there.
camera angle is best part of the render. it explains much in 1 image. patricia engagement in talk. sophia drunk. people luring sophia exposed body. background of scene. mystery to looker of image that what are persons looking.
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People turn off "Headlamp" as using your own lighting has a much better effect
 
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PietruccioTheHilander said:
it took you so long to write this and analyze the errors and didn't notice the wrong finger on patricia's hand. and like many, you did not understand the meaning of the provocation made by Viper
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Umm... I don't think it's the wrong finger. She is showing off her ring to the guy most probably. Emphasizing she is married
 
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