VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.211] [Lust & Passion]

[Deleted member 3325933]

another new excuse for being slower and slower . soon he has problems peeing .sabertooth now even you have to admit that it,s getting ridiculous.

Unfortunately he never will. He is a follower and not the least skeptical. He will justify any and all actions including Kool aid ala Jim Jones.

 

[armion82]

If you think they are fantasy like sure. I am not going to convince you to anything contrary. I didn't think they were totally unrealistic. Except for the 2nd side job which was poorly executed nothing else really bothered me.
Those environments that you consider useless, makes everything far more engaging for me.

I am confident of the fact that without the kind of setup including the lighting that he put together, there is no way the Nathalie event from the last update would look as fantastic and be as erotic as it was, neither would the Art class event be how good it is.

The things that most people here ask him not to focus on are mostly the things that actually differentiate this game from the rest and make it as good as it is. They think that since others don't do it, L&P shouldn't either, not realising that in this way there are basically saying, drop the quality and make it just like any other generic game.

No idea how you can think that only second side job is unrealistic.
I will say unrealistic is also last scene with Sam,the whole Aiden story,even the scenes Sophia/Dylan and Sophia/Elly.On defenition any incest scene goes directly to unrealistic cathegory.Practically that is more than 50% of the game.
On another note-nobody is asking him to make uglier game.But he should stop somewhere.We don't need next Crysis game that will be in development for 20+ years.Not to mention after 10 years what is now looking stunning will be average at best.
Just look at first week of the game and especially first 4 days-the renders are like from another game.Of course they don't look the part-after all they are from 4 years ago.

Do you wish for such rape scenarios? I only ask because the "stylistic devices" you mention for a realistic story imply that.

I said that other games are using pills,magic etc as an excuse to include incest.Here the dev is constantly pointing out that he is making a realistic game.Be fair-how the scenes with Elly or with Dylan can be cathegorize as realistic?
No idea how you interprate all that as a wish for rape scenes.Of course if that is your thing-no kink shaming.

 

[Sabertooth__]

No idea how you can think that only second side job is unrealistic.
I will say unrealistic is also last scene with Sam,the whole Aiden story,even the scenes Sophia/Dylan and Sophia/Elly.On defenition any incest scene goes directly to unrealistic cathegory.Practically that is more than 50% of the game.
On another note-nobody is asking him to make uglier game.But he should stop somewhere.We don't need next Crysis game that will be in development for 20+ years.Not to mention after 10 years what is now looking stunning will be average at best.
Just look at first week of the game and especially first 4 days-the renders are like from another game.Of course they don't look the part-after all they are from 4 years ago.

I said that other games are using pills,magic etc as an excuse to include incest.Here the dev is constantly pointing out that he is making a realistic game.Be fair-how the scenes with Elly or with Dylan can be cathegorize as realistic?
No idea how you interprate all that as a wish for rape scenes.Of course if that is your thing-no kink shaming.

I already said I am not going to give you arguments as to why I consider them fine. Incest automatically becomes unrealistic ? means you are saying with 100% CERTAINTY that no one in the world has had incestuous relationships ever. This is just your assumption. The world is fucked up, we all know that. Anything that you can imagine has already been done by someone.

As for the last part you basically contradict what you say. You say that his renders from the first 4 days seem from a different game entirely in comparison to the present quality.

Which means he has improved his quality with time. He is still top of the table when it comes to good renders. He is still trying to improve the render quality. Seeing this even 10yrs down the road, if this game is still being made ) this games artistic quality can be at the top.
This is not a dev who is satisfied with his quality and is just sitting and making renders, as long as he keeps trying to keep up with the trends and latest developments in the rendering field, his renders will never be outdated.

 

[Sabertooth__]

Unfortunately he never will. He is a follower and not the least skeptical. He will justify any and all actions including Kool aid ala Jim Jones.

You know the truth, you know all this that L&P is doing is 100% a facade. Great. You're the enlightened one, I'm not. I won't criticize until I see the outcomes of whatever he is doing. You can say stuff without knowing the whole picture, I can't. You can see the future, I can't.
Hope that makes you happy

 

[hzjujk]

No idea how you can think that only second side job is unrealistic.
I will say unrealistic is also last scene with Sam,the whole Aiden story,even the scenes Sophia/Dylan and Sophia/Elly.On defenition any incest scene goes directly to unrealistic cathegory.Practically that is more than 50% of the game.
On another note-nobody is asking him to make uglier game.But he should stop somewhere.We don't need next Crysis game that will be in development for 20+ years.Not to mention after 10 years what is now looking stunning will be average at best.
Just look at first week of the game and especially first 4 days-the renders are like from another game.Of course they don't look the part-after all they are from 4 years ago.

I said that other games are using pills,magic etc as an excuse to include incest.Here the dev is constantly pointing out that he is making a realistic game.Be fair-how the scenes with Elly or with Dylan can be cathegorize as realistic?
No idea how you interprate all that as a wish for rape scenes.Of course if that is your thing-no kink shaming.

Explain more clearly what you mean, then such misunderstandings will not happen. And to explain my point more precisely, I have no problem with incest in games. But I avoid games where the developer gives me no other way to progress in a game than with magic, hypnosis, sleeping pills or the like. That's rape for me - and thus the limits I don't cross - even in a game. And if someone mentions something like that in his post, then I point it out!

 

[nexer]

I think Aiden should be towards the end and a little teaser bonus to make the time go faster wouldn't hurt

 

[armion82]

I already said I am not going to give you arguments as to why I consider them fine. Incest automatically becomes unrealistic ? means you are saying with 100% CERTAINTY that no one in the world has had incestuous relationships ever. This is just your assumption. The world is fucked up, we all know that. Anything that you can imagine has already been done by someone.

As for the last part you basically contradict what you say. You say that his renders from the first 4 days seem from a different game entirely in comparison to the present quality.

Which means he has improved his quality with time. He is still top of the table when it comes to good renders. He is still trying to improve the render quality. Seeing this even 10yrs down the road, if this game is still being made ) this games artistic quality can be at the top.
This is not a dev who is satisfied with his quality and is just sitting and making renders, as long as he keeps trying to keep up with the trends and latest developments in the rendering field, his renders will never be outdated.

So you say that because incest is something that can happen in real life,that doesn't make it unrealistic?
Then how the hell you people are thinking that Sophia having a sex with some stranger(Ivan,the mover for example on day 20 is way more unrealistic?After all in the RL there is definitely way more wifes cheating with the neighbor,postman,pool gue,the maid etc than with her daughter or son.
How Sophia wearing some slutty clothes is way more unrealistic than playing with Elly or letting Dylan "feels the fabric"?

 

[1879]

Man has three ways of acting wisely: first, through reflection, that is the noblest, second, through imitation, that is the easiest, and third, through experience, that is the bitterest.

 

[lockerxx]

if you guys want to play something until we got the new update check this game Starship inanna.chapter 9 is out
you can play Female or male MC.is like mass effect.

 

[Sabertooth__]

So you say that because incest is something that can happen in real life,that doesn't make it unrealistic?
Then how the hell you people are thinking that Sophia having a sex with some stranger(Ivan,the mover for example on day 20 is way more unrealistic?After all in the RL there is definitely way more wifes cheating with the neighbor,postman,pool gue,the maid etc than with her daughter or son.
How Sophia wearing some slutty clothes is way more unrealistic than playing with Elly or letting Dylan "feels the fabric"?

Sex with stranger is unrealistic only for NOW, because Sophia's character has not been developed to the point where she would have sex with a stranger. She is moving in that direction. Remember Tyler was a complete stranger for her until she saw him at the club. He did get some moves in. That was Day 16.
Similarly for incest. With proper development it can all happen.

 

[Boobytrap]

Game seems interesting, I took a peek at the walkthrough and would definitely go for the filthy route all the way. However the game doesn't want to start, tried several times to click on the exe file and nothing happens, and then went to the command prompt and launched both the normal exe and the 32bit exe, neither gives anything but a single empty line and then goes back to the prompt. Not even a log file has appeared in the folder through all this. I'm running a 64bit windows 10 setup, more or less as it came out of the package. Launching python in the command prompt gives me python 3.9.9. Every other VN game I've tried has worked without problems. Any ideas about what to try here?

Edit: It worked after changing to a different unrar program and unpacking the archive with it.

 

[armion82]

Sex with stranger is unrealistic only for NOW, because Sophia's character has not been developed to the point where she would have sex with a stranger. She is moving in that direction. Remember Tyler was a complete stranger for her until she saw him at the club. He did get some moves in. That was Day 16.
Similarly for incest. With proper development it can all happen.

The problem is that the dev don't treat the incest routes the same way.
Elly,for example, is now way ahead any other female characters.Only Nathalie after last update menage to catch her a little.And to some extent Julia.But all others are way,way behind and they are not related either.
Dylan on the other hand is way behind Sam and Aiden.Some will say even behind the apostles.And Larry for one scene only get almost anyhting Dylan got so far,except "feeling the fabric".
Don't forget that the major point behind the slow progress was the incest.Well in Elly's case I don't see any barrier.Au contraire despite the incest factor she is in the lead.

 

[BorgiaBou]

Are you trolling now? Weren't you the one who really wanted to compare the non-existent animations with those in BeingADIK? As I said back then, animation is superfluous, and this is just for you now, L&P animation would look better!

Aren't you a little prick now tryin' to take out of context what i said back then, it still has nothing to compare to BaDIK in terms of animations maybe that joke of a loop animation sex scene between her neighbours... now what i was tryin' to say here is why we would need animations and to be more precisely need animations on what cuz there is no sex right now (i assume that he will use animations only in sex scenes and not when she learns to play the piano ffs) we all know that her first sex scene is yrs away so he can have all the time in the world to learn that but hey any excuse to stall even more is a good one... yeah lp animations would look better if Dr. PinkCake will do those for him, maybe he should try to hire him

 

[hzjujk]

Aren't you a little prick now tryin' to take out of context what i said back then, it still has nothing to compare to BaDIK in terms of animations maybe that joke of a loop animation sex scene between her neighbours... now what i was tryin' to say here is why we would need animations and to be more precisely need animations on what cuz there is no sex right now (i assume that he will use animations only in sex scenes and not when she learns to play the piano ffs) we all know that her first sex scene is yrs away so he can have all the time in the world to learn that but hey any excuse to stall even more is a good one... yeah lp animations would look better if Dr. PinkCake will do those for him, maybe he should try to hire him

Oh, an unfriendly troll. Something new. And I didn't take anything out of context. You're just mad because someone exposed you. You know, back then I was just joking around with you in a friendly way because you were fighting with unfair means, today I'm just returning the compliment you had for me.

 

[BorgiaBou]

You're just mad because someone exposed you.

Exposed what? Jeez you trippin hard...

 

[Porn91]

Thnx for game.

 

[brt654]

This thread

 

[Ruby Tuesday]

Depends on the Animations and their quality I guess. A 50/50 for me.


If he's doing literally anything related to this new feature on his own, you can expect even slower updates. That's my biggest concern, because he's already close to doubling the time for 1/3rd of a PD considering the current progress. Last release November 20th, next one probably in early to mid February from what it looks like at the moment. That would mean somewhere between 2,5-3 months for 1/10th of a PD. Previous update with 1/3rd of a PD in 4,5-5 months if I remember correctly. Certainly 5 if we count in the days off, which we should in my opinion. So that's a hard NO on this one.


Basically same as above. Hard NO again.


Possible. Some people love animations, others don't really care. Another 50/50 I guess.


So unless L&P finds actual help to speed up the progress, it does look pretty bad for us if you ask me.

Animations are worthy embellishments if classy, but should never be regarded as "special effects" to cheapen the artistic content and script (as in the great American film industry). Usually a distraction and often horribly cheesy.

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

Oh, an unfriendly troll. Something new. And I didn't take anything out of context. You're just mad because someone exposed you. You know, back then I was just joking around with you in a friendly way because you were fighting with unfair means, today I'm just returning the compliment you had for me.

So accurate and I have no idea what that toad said.

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

Animations are worthy embellishments if classy, but should never be regarded as "special effects" to cheapen the artistic content and script (as in the great American film industry). Usually a distraction and often horribly cheesy.

Agreed! Kind of like JJ Abrams is good at explosions and flares and NOTHING ELSE! Did I mention that JJ is responsible for destroying 2 TWO famous sci fi story lines! Ooops just a little rant.