VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.211] [Lust & Passion]

[Kirill86]

I may be the guy that convinced him to take out the twist this is a little snip from a conversation me and L&P had in 2020:

For context: Before this I asked him if he would be cool with me tossing Sophia a cameo in a game I was making, he was fine with it. Told him I was a big fan of his game, and it was my favorite game like a big fanboy...

Meanwhile in the forums I said that "The Twist" events make Dylan come off as a psychopath in my book, and destroys his character completely taking him from good to evil.

L&P was like:

Sure, you can use Sophia in your cameo.

And "Psychopath" is a little bit exaggerated. First of all Dylan meant it well and since his mom never listened to him on wearing sexy clothes because she's still hot, he thought this way could work to bring her to do it again, and "free her from her midlife crisis" in which Dylan thinks she is at the moment. And after all, he's just a teenager, a high school kid. That Aiden will go this way he couldn't know and especially not that Sophia would accept it at all.

And the thing is, if Sophia stops Aiden's deal, her storyline will also end with Dylan. Only if Sophia doesn't stop Aiden's blackmailing or find another way how to get rid of him, her storyline with Dylan will conitnue. And Dylan will think, that his plan with Aiden worked to bring his mother into wearing sexy dresses. This is all he wanted. So psychopath is a little bit over the top! But of course it's a somewhat strange plan. But Sophia still decides how far she goes with Aiden and she will have a good option to get rid of hin soon. So, if Sophia chooses to go further with Aiden, then only because she starts liking that blackmailing more and more. And this blackmailing will also turn out in something different later.

And on Dylan's storyline he will still do a lot of nice things for his mom.

So then I was like:

Thanks, and very true I do believe he to some degree his motives may be simply to alleviate Sophia's midlife crisis, and if that were his predominant motive then perhaps psychopath would indeed be a bit harsh of an analysis. Can you however honestly say with a straight face that was his only motive, or his overwhelming primary motive? Looking at things on the other hand one must not forget that the boy has been a bit of a "peeper" spying on her in the shower / getting dressed. He has spanked the monkey to her as well, and it is clear he has been having numerous sexual fantasies about her. So, his own sexual desires could also be included as a perceived motive for his actions.

I have played through your game a number of times analyzing what you have made quite a bit, on top of me being a writer myself that often can predict the next plot point in many stories, but this was still able to surprise me catching me off guard which simply goes as a credit to your writing abilities.

So, his level of psychopathy I would judge based on "Which of his motives does the reader perceive do be strongest?

"I am horny for Sophia" vs "I want to help Sophia out of her midlife crisis". The story has included as it must include a lot more of the "I am horny for Sophia" (Beach changing room scene, begging to see boobs at the store, bikini fashion show to name a few) coming from him much more often than "I want to help with midlife crisis" elements in my opinion. It feels like that scale is heavily weighted to one side.

One must not forget either;

It didn't appear to be a "genuine apology from the heart", more so a "forced apology". Remember, Zac had to punch him in the arm and guilt him into the apology in the first place. So part of his reason for apologizing in the first place is social pressure from one of his best friends, not genuine remorse for his wrongdoings.

Next, one must consider the fact, he mentions "Fight Club" in his reasoning. He got himself beat up on top of beating himself up in the aims of his objectives. One could say he views Tyler Durden as a role model or a person who he would like to be like. Tyler Durden is very clearly a psychopath, perhaps with some mental illnesses in spite of him being a very intelligent, popular, and relatable character.

In the subtext of the game, it can also be seen that Dylan idolized Grand Theft Auto 5 as well as he cares about it enough to put a poster on his wall. The player characters in all the GTA games could be described as psychopaths.

Also on his wall is a "batman" poster. One must not forget the 2012 batman shooting on Colorado. Perhaps he idolizes the Joker character who could be viewed as a psychopath role model as like Tyler Durden. One could argue he looks at himself as batman as well a vigilante.

Then imagine putting Dylan side by side with Sam. Compare and contrast the two as to who has more "pure motives". It's clear Sam can be looked at as the more pure of heart between the two.

(He never comented back about the twist, but the twist was gone the next update.)

To remove part of the content in which it is told that it was Dylan who asked Aiden to blackmail Sofia so that she would wear sexy dresses was a HUGE mistake. This choice should have been left at a country school, the choice is made by Dylan to tell his mother about it or not.
When I played the game at the beginning, it immediately seemed to me that it was Dylan's tricks, because why the hell does Aiden need it? Plus, Alice said that Zack can stand up for himself calmly, and here he stands stupidly and allows himself to be beaten. BRING THE STORY BACK!!!!

 

[NewTricks]

So the theory that Adiden is blackmailing Sophia. That she would pay attention to him because he lost his mother and cannot come to terms with the loss. And Sophia is to replace his mother. Somehow I don't like it.

If it is true he didn't treat his poor old mom very nicely lol.

 

[Ruby Tuesday]

Yes and No. L&P is now using it independently to justify the "Blackmail" with Aiden, but it was initially part of the twist as it was a lie to conceal the nature of The Twist. Sophia questions Dylan before L&P decides to remove The Twist from the novel.

Spoiler: The Twist - Dylan's confession about the weaker students.

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Now, this is where the logical part comes into play. When L&P took The Twist out and left this scene intact with defending the student, One should have thought to themself, if what Dylan was saying was true about the students and teacher, what was the name of the students and teacher involved by the principal or Sophia so they could talk to them, as a teacher and parent which you think should have been brought up as a question if the twist was still intact too. So this is why he should have to revisit this scene after removing The Twist.

Spoiler: Dylan's Explanation - How the fight started.

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Thanks for archiving and clarifying this. Tweeny-boy Dylan trying to boss Aiden and mom paying the price!

 

[Feuggn]

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[chillybop]

Is this the game that some people called "Blueballs simulator?
No offense to anyone who enjoys the history but I'm looking for a game where I can get the gist of the story and have a good fap, are there any scenes already?
I heard the renders look amazing so I'm hoping there's enough porn for a porn game.

 

[Deleted member 4657539]

Is this the game that some people called "Blueballs simulator?
No offense to anyone who enjoys the history but I'm looking for a game where I can get the gist of the story and have a good fap, are there any scenes already?
I heard the renders look amazing so I'm hoping there's enough porn for a porn game.

It has 3 or 4 sex scenes with husband on good-wife path. Otherwise its blue-balling for 3-5 hours

 

[Alley_Cat]

Is this the game that some people called "Blueballs simulator?
No offense to anyone who enjoys the history but I'm looking for a game where I can get the gist of the story and have a good fap, are there any scenes already?
I heard the renders look amazing so I'm hoping there's enough porn for a porn game.

Unless you like pretty vanilla sex with the husband, this doesn't sound like the game for you.

 

[Losersriot]

Choose Your Destiny! Flawless Victory !

 

[chillybop]

Unless you like pretty vanilla sex with the husband, this doesn't sound like the game for you.

It has 3 or 4 sex scenes with husband on good-wife path. Otherwise its blue-balling for 3-5 hours

Thanks for the heads up, sounds like this is not a game for me.
Edit: The tags seems like it could develop into the kind of game I would like, I'll be back in a few years.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Thanks for the heads up, sounds like this is not a game for me.
Edit: The tags seems like it could develop into the kind of game I would like, I'll be back in a few years.

In terms of sex scenes on the Filthy route, development is so slow it could easily be a decade away.

 

[neminem]

So...where did Aiden get the key for the classroom? What if the 4th task centered around getting the key (assumes Sophia has only the key to HER classroom)? So...only Clar(e?) the janitor has the key? Aiden instructs Sophia that she must get the key from Clark(e?): her choice on how she does it? The teasers: I have no idea about.

 

[Alley_Cat]

So...where did Aiden get the key for the classroom? What if the 4th task centered around getting the key (assumes Sophia has only the key to HER classroom)? So...only Clar(e?) the janitor has the key? Aiden instructs Sophia that she must get the key from Clark(e?): her choice on how she does it? The teasers: I have no idea about.

Janitor Clark (no "e").

 

[Sadowdark]

Maybe dev found it illogical and threw it in the trash. HERE. that Dylan asked Aiden, a Yakuza member, to blackmail his mother. Dylan came up with a fight with Aiden to make it more believable. Because Dylan wanted his mom to dress sexier. She would be weak for me too. Because Dylan could have told his mother to dress sexier. He did not have to resort to blackmail.

 

[ancienregimele]

Over the last couple of years I've written more than I ever intended on the subject of the Aiden blackmail route. Now I'm about to do so again but having earlier participated in the foregoing discussion & then reading the follow-on, there are various points to consider from many fans. I apologise for not naming everyone in this post but I got back to my PC to find 28 posts to peruse & I would have to keep referring back & forth to do them full justice & sometimes I receive an overall impression & then address key elements, if you see what I mean. It's shorter that way, believe me.

First, I am in the position of approving the twist's removal. After initial doubts I got off the fence, because to include it would have made Dylan not just a needy, scheming, manipulative, misguided & confused person but IMO, a completely moronic idiot. I'm no Dylan fan but even I didn't want that for him. Now from my POV & playthrough, he's on his way to normal teen life with a new girlfriend. [Sophia's "mid-life crisis" did even Dylan ever believe that in the twist? What teenager ever thinks, (or has even heard), about a mid-life crisis anyway? Answer=not very many. Next he would have been thinking about his pension arrangements!?]

Then, without the twist, there's the crucial issue of the original reason that Dylan was picked on by Aiden & co. Again in the playthrough I use, there's no question that this happened & for a realistic reason. There could have been a case for more storytelling around the incident in the early stages of Aiden's plan. On the other hand, it is plausible to me that the school did in relation to Dylan, Zac & the original victims they helped, what is often done in RL regarding bullying, i.e. any of the following......the bare minimum,/ referred to the school's anti-bullying policy, (hereinafter known as 'fine words'),/ blamed the victim(s),/ promised further action after due consideration,/ denied anything serious had occurred,/ denied anything had happened at all,/ said that all details were 'confidential', then did nothing,/ had a talk with the victim's but not the perpetrator's parents or guardians, then did nothing,/ OR, that old standby.....listened to a parent's complaint with convincing, even genuine, empathy....then did nothing.

Finally there's the question of what the blackmail may become "later". It would appear that, despite everything, there's going to be some other kind of "twist" for those, like me, who will continue to play this route, for as long as it lasts that is. Although I'm 95% convinced the tasks will never reach double figures, I deplore the whole concept of it reaching a point where it becomes a mutually pleasurable, tacitly agreed, consensual sex-game. That's not blackmail. AWAM is already quite possibly the most vanilla corruption game out there & IMO, would continue to be so, even if the tasks ratcheted up several notches. Sophia enjoying some aspects of the tasks is not the same. She does this, despite herself & that's how it should stay, IMO.

Bennett has been sidelined. Nobody really thinks he's going to get anywhere meaningful, surely? Now we're seriously facing the prospect of both blackmail routes being terminated, even the possibility of Aiden just being another misunderstood "hard case". Yes, of course, somewhere deep down he probably craves affection but as far as I'm concerned, he can keep that to himself. Who will be the villain after he's 'redeemed'?

All told, I may appear to be in a minority but combined with an atrocious update schedule, "I don't like where this is going".

 

[derek1957]

I don't know how L&P wrote the Don Morello event, but if I were writing it, I would compel Sophia to explain in detail all of the things that Aiden has done to her to make her come to Morello for help. Something like this:

Sophia: "...And for the second task, Aiden first made me come to the back of the classroom and lift the front of my dress and show my panties to him and his friend Andre. Oh, Don Morello, it was so humiliating, standing there with my dress up above my waist and these two grinning boys with their faces so close to my vagina covered only by my flimsy panties, while they made comments about my sexy blue panties!"

Morello: "Blue panties, you said. Please continue."

Sophia: "Then he made me sit on my desk at the front of my entire class, and spread my legs wide until all of my students could see my panties up my dress."

Morello: "The blue panties."

Sophia: "Yes. I could only sit there looking out at all of my wide-eyed students staring up my skirt!"

Morello: "And now tell me about the third task."

Sophia: "I was forced to be a model in an art class of teen boys. I had to wear a very revealing costume, and Aiden posed with me. First he dangled his large bare penis right in my face! Then he pulled down my top and grabbed my bare breast and held it for the longest time as we posed for the students. His right hand held my breast firmly as his left hand rested on my bare belly just above my vagina and my partially exposed strip of pubic hair; and I could feel his hard penis pressing into my bare back."

Morello: "That sounds so humiliating. Was it painful?"

Sophia: "Only because I was so close to having an orgasm in public that I had to bite my lip to make it go away. But he did pinch my nipple, which hurt a little, and made me squeal."

 

[ashitanojoe]

You can reject Aiden's blackmail option as it's the reader's choice to do so, but if the reader chooses to pick that path, as I did, then the storyline told is 'far-fetch' in general, even from a fictional POV. The way Sophia is written at the start is like she is naive about the outside world. She lives in her bubble of solitude for the first four or five PDs, which the reader has to pop and show her what the outside world is all about. I think the story could have been a little better with some corruption in her from the start.

And with the Second Side Job, I think that one, by far, is in the lead for being the most unrealistic path because she was "Down Below" after two playable days. In comparison, Aiden's Blackmail had some build-up.

Maybe dev found it illogical and threw it in the trash. HERE. that Dylan asked Aiden, a Yakuza member, to blackmail his mother. Dylan came up with a fight with Aiden to make it more believable. Because Dylan wanted his mom to dress sexier. She would be weak for me too. Because Dylan could have told his mother to dress sexier. He did not have to resort to blackmail.

Yeah, I told the yakuza joke because Aiden's story reminded me a bit of a real story, where a teen yakuza member threatened his own parents, so they didn't call the police even when they knew he and his friends were torturing, violating and killing a teenage girl from the same school in the same house where they lived, during several days. That story is really awful and I advice to not read about it: the Junko Furuta case.

My point is that, yes, teen gang members in schools exist and yes, they can even blackmail adults like Sophia. Still, we can discuss that this threat hasn't been presented as such in the game and Sophia went to easy into the blackmail stuff, with almost no opposition. Maybe a bigger emphasis in Aiden's threat and Sophia's fear about her son's health would be better.

Also, we can discuss that in a rich family is not too realistic that you have one of your kids in a school where there are gang members. Alley_Cat said that's because of Dylan's low grades, as it's been told in the intro. But, if you are rich, you can put your kids in a rich school no matter the grades, there are high class schools for academically bad students too, specially in a capitalist society.

 

[Lord_Xanatos]

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[Bane71]

This is just an overview render. It doesn't serve for the conversation per se! It literally just serves as the first impression when they're sitting and talking. Giving a spacial impression. For the conversation I used direct character camera angles. View attachment 1657597
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I return to this L&P post, again and again!
I had to read a lot of different criticism of L&P on this forum, I have never ignored anyone, I have not used this function of the site.
But I think everyone, even those who constantly express harsh criticism, will agree that L&P has created a very sexy image and his skill should be given credit.
When Sophia is dressed, there is a burning desire to undress her!

Come on L&P, speed up development, you've done a lot already, but you still have so much to tell and show us! It takes too long to do this, unless of course you change the way you work to speed up development.

 

[E = mc^2]

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That only will take one month more