VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.211] [Lust & Passion]

[hzjujk]

I think we're getting a glimpse into L&P's kinks, and I think it's pretty gross. Between the kids she tutors, and the Aiden story, I think it is becoming clear that L&P has a preference for sexual content that is explicitly taboo and degrading/unenjoyable for the woman. The children have been rushed to the front of the line when it comes to overt sexual content, and he continues to lean into how much Sophia hates Aiden and his orders.

It makes me wonder if Sophia is ever going to have enjoyable consensual sex on the FW route without being depicted as a worthless whore.

I asked L&P because I too found the scene in the backyard at the gang's meeting place pretty disgusting, and I just didn't understand why the whole scene didn't seem to have any impact on the rest of the game. I suggested to him that most of the scenes were gifts to his supporters to give these people something to do and that the whole plot was progressing too slowly.

His answer was: "Something like that! Also, I wanted to show the sadistic nature of Aiden again and it was a great opportunity/setting for the appearance of Morello's people."

 

[1879]

I decently asked you to explain yourself. Yet you can't, i addressed the points mentioned already. It's pretty easy to say that something is dumb. I could call anyone or anything dumb as long as i don't have to give an explanation for it. So be it. I couldn't less either.

You can also exchange numbers and meet privately because the constant repetition makes everyone tired...

 

[bayrischman]

I could redirect you to my first 2 posts about this, but I'm afraid that won't make you understand either. I get that you'd love to argue for the next 20 pages, but in the end we're back at square one. Ginger got my point, and prolly several others who upvoted my post, and likely pretty much everyone else reading it. But you don't. And it's probably not because you can't, you just love to argue over nothing. And I know this isn't gonna cut it for you, because you gotta have the last word on everything, so.. enjoy typing your reply. I'm out!

sabertooth full on action. endless arguing with sabertooth.

 

[Alley_Cat]

I think we're getting a glimpse into L&P's kinks, and I think it's pretty gross. Between the kids she tutors, and the Aiden story, I think it is becoming clear that L&P has a preference for sexual content that is explicitly taboo and degrading/unenjoyable for the woman. The children have been rushed to the front of the line when it comes to overt sexual content, and he continues to lean into how much Sophia hates Aiden and his orders.

It makes me wonder if Sophia is ever going to have enjoyable consensual sex on the FW route without being depicted as a worthless whore.

I'm not sure it's just L&P, but also the fans he's prioritising. The backlash against the 2nd side job felt to me far greater than anything leading up to the removal of the Twist.

That it looks like Ellie will be getting a slut route also concerns me. But as long as I get my route where Ellie has a loving relationship with Jules and Sophia, I can keep supprting the game.

I don't think it's the FW route that Sophia (and/or Ellie) will become a worthless whore. It's just that because it's been the focus of the most recent content it just feels like it. I still have hope that the Ellie and Patricia routes, and perhaps the Sam route if I ever end up playing it, will have "enjoyable consensual sex".

 

[hzjujk]

The whole point of having a choice is that if you think it is a dumb or redundant scenario you exit it.
The scene was just Aiden having his fun. The scene in the gallery is named clearly that. It was not meant to progress Aiden route. You can raise the issue of why make scene that doesn't move the route when ten development is so slow. But that's out of the point here.

Still, the question is justified why he invests so much time in a scene that (seemingly) doesn't advance the overall story in the end. This applies to the Jennifer scene as well as the scene in the backyard.
Of course, one can say that time was spent to give the protagonists of the game character depth. That's what makes a story interesting and the storyline more comprehensible. Personally, I like this, even though these side stories will never appear in my main routes, but it leaves the stale aftertaste of wasted time.
Another explanation why L&P did the scenes anyway is surely that he has supporters who can't get enough of such scenes and are totally into it. They will never say "it was unnecessary". For everyone else - The accusation/question about the wasted time and the unbelievable scene construction is justified.
That's not to say it's hated, but criticized.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Still, the question is justified why he invests so much time in a scene that (seemingly) doesn't advance the overall story in the end. This applies to the Jennifer scene as well as the scene in the backyard.
Of course, one can say that time was spent to give the protagonists of the game character depth. That's what makes a story interesting and the storyline more comprehensible. Personally, I like this, even though these side stories will never appear in my main routes, but it leaves the stale aftertaste of wasted time.
Another explanation why L&P did the scenes anyway is surely that he has supporters who can't get enough of such scenes and are totally into it. They will never say "it was unnecessary". For everyone else - The accusation/question about the wasted time and the unbelievable scene construction is justified.
That's not to say it's hated, but criticized.

That the boob animation (with the gang) could have been used in a scene with either Dylan or Sam, but wasn’t, is the issue for me. That it could have been used to advance the story with one of the LIs like in the Sam event in a few more updates or Dylan this evening.

I still think it was a last hurrah invented for Aiden fans, since there appears to be a very real possibility we might not see task #5, at least anytime soon. If at all, maybe not for another 5 years

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

That the boob animation (with the gang) could have been used in a scene with either Dylan or Sam, but wasn’t, is the issue for me. That it could have been used to advance the story with one of the LIs like in the Sam event in a few more updates or Dylan this evening.

I still think it was a last hurrah invented for Aiden fans, since there appears to be a very real possibility we might not see task #5, at least anytime soon. If at all, maybe not for another 5 years

Just thinking about that makes me shake my head. No game can survive going five years between story beats.

 

[hzjujk]

That the boob animation (with the gang) could have been used in a scene with either Dylan or Sam, but wasn’t, is the issue for me. That it could have been used to advance the story with one of the LIs like in the Sam event in a few more updates or Dylan this evening.

I still think it was a last hurrah invented for Aiden fans, since there appears to be a very real possibility we might not see task #5, at least anytime soon. If at all, maybe not for another 5 years

I imagine that years ago I once downloaded and played a visual kinetic novel narrated/illustrated by a developer named Alley_Cat. Was that you?
I can't remember the story too well, but some things in it seemed superfluous and illogical even then.
But I said to myself, he told it, I would do it differently, but it's his freedom to tell it that way and to distribute the working time to the different scenes that way.
It's our right to question L&P's storytelling but in the end it's his story. If you are that "Alley_Cat" then you know that.
But if we keep discussing it here we are going in circles. I said above what I had to say.

 

[hzjujk]

Just thinking about that makes me shake my head. No game can survive going five years between story beats.

It doesn't matter if it takes 5 or 10 years. Maybe I'll be dead, but in any case I'll be playing other games by then. Now I'm playing "Pale Carnation" and after that I'm going to play "Summer Gone".
On my tombstone it won't say "Unfortunately didn't live to see the end of AWAM - may he rest in peace anyway".

 

[Alley_Cat]

Just thinking about that makes me shake my head. No game can survive going five years between story beats.

Well, as I've mentioned before, I'm curious what the results might be if there were to be another Favouite Character poll after the noon update for PD14, and if Aiden or even Dylan would be as popular

 

[Sadowdark]

In my opinion, this scene was not needed at all because it did not contribute anything to the plot.
As far as I understand the gang scene with Sophia was for Aiden's followers and would they like it while waiting for task 5 in 5 years?

 

[Bill_Buttlicker]

still only 10% this weekend it should be finished.

Don't forget the playtesting, added animations, fine tweaking the color of Sophia's shoes....etc.
So, add 5 more months until it's ready.

 

[Count of Passion]

As far as I understand the gang scene with Sophia was for Aiden's followers and would they like it while waiting for task 5 in 5 years?

Now I can't take everything seriously at all, even an event with Dylan seems to me a waste of time, what's the point of Dylan as MS, if the main interesting events are Sofia, it seems to me it would be more logical to make a couple of renderings, and not to do it as a separate event.
Joint events, I'm in favor, but individual events, where there is not even Sofia, are so superfluous for me.

 

[lockerxx]

Don't forget the playtesting, added animations, fine tweaking the color of Sophia's shoes....etc.
So, add 5 more months until it's ready.

i was taking about the rendered part .

 

[Alley_Cat]

Now I can't take everything seriously at all, even an event with Dylan seems to me a waste of time, what's the point of Dylan as MS, if the main interesting events are Sofia, it seems to me it would be more logical to make a couple of renderings, and not to do it as a separate event.
Joint events, I'm in favor, but individual events, where there is not even Sofia, are so superfluous for me.

What gets me is that the storyline on the Dylan route appears (since I don't play it) to be about setting Dylan up with a girlfriend so that he can do the proper teen thing of fumbling around with a girl his age before moving on to scenes with Sophia. And Emma was being set up for it. But then she was taken off the Sophia/Dylan route and Marie was put on. The Dylan/Emma storyline being an example of uninteresting content.

The entire Dylan/Emma storyline could have been scrapped, him being set up with the hotter Marie, and Emma being used for more Sophia/Emma content since as fas as I'm aware, that's what Emma fans want. A teacher student storyline for those on the lesbian route could have been great.

And a short Dylan/Marie storyline isn't mutually exclusive with later Sophia/Dylan content, but rather fits with the route as presented.

 

[Count of Passion]

What gets me is that the storyline on the Dylan route appears (since I don't play it) to be about setting Dylan up with a girlfriend so that he can do the proper teen thing of fumbling around with a girl his age before moving on to scenes with Sophia. And Emma was being set up for it. But then she was taken off the Sophia/Dylan route and Marie was put on. The Dylan/Emma storyline being an example of uninteresting content.

The entire Dylan/Emma storyline could have been scrapped, him being set up with the hotter Marie, and Emma being used for more Sophia/Emma content since as fas as I'm aware, that's what Emma fans want. A teacher student storyline for those on the lesbian route could have been great.

And a short Dylan/Marie storyline isn't mutually exclusive with later Sophia/Dylan content, but rather fits with the route as presented.

Even those who are interested in the events of Sofia / Dylan (I personally am interested, but I like other characters more) are just wasting time right now, for an event that certainly does not harm the whole story, but it takes enough time.
He himself cut off as much as possible even sex scenes with Liam, because it's just not that important to everyone, there have always been few renderers in these events
But suddenly he decided to do separate events in general for Dylan, maybe this is some kind of exception, but it's about the same as spending time on animation of non-main characters, it could be added even after the update, then nothing would change.

 

[lockerxx]

What gets me is that the storyline on the Dylan route appears (since I don't play it) to be about setting Dylan up with a girlfriend so that he can do the proper teen thing of fumbling around with a girl his age before moving on to scenes with Sophia. And Emma was being set up for it. But then she was taken off the Sophia/Dylan route and Marie was put on. The Dylan/Emma storyline being an example of uninteresting content.

The entire Dylan/Emma storyline could have been scrapped, him being set up with the hotter Marie, and Emma being used for more Sophia/Emma content since as fas as I'm aware, that's what Emma fans want. A teacher student storyline for those on the lesbian route could have been great.

And a short Dylan/Marie storyline isn't mutually exclusive with later Sophia/Dylan content, but rather fits with the route as presented.

the funny part is that the Sophie/Emma path is inside the Dylan/Emma.

 

[sergey matveev]

I would not like to go into a useless discussion, but there are 2-3 "old" and consistent defenders of the author on the forum who justify him, no matter how clumsily the update looks. But if the Old Dog argues stylishly, even elegantly, sometimes citing very unexpected arguments, then Sabretooth rushes at any critic like a soldier with a knife on a tank. His actions are similar to the attempts of the owner of a car dealership to sell customers a bicycle instead of a paid Bentley, convincing that this is more useful and environmentally friendly.
Does Sabretooth seriously believe that the presented version of the gang event is logical and complete. That a crowd of sexually mature males, inflamed by the sexuality, pliability and defenselessness of the victim, would let her go at Aiden's command. Ha ha 3 times. They would have groped her until she burst into hysterics, and sent her home without stockings and panties with bruises and hickeys all over her body, having previously examined all her technological holes with their fingers. And this would be a logical and more realistic conclusion to this plot, despite all its absurdity. Since in such gangs authority rests either on strength or on fear. What does Aiden represent for these men, strength or fear? As I said earlier, the author shows a lack of logic not only in the game as a whole, but also in each of the main scenes. Of course, you can refer to the fact that this is a parody of porn anime for little boys with big dicks. But by this you agree that this product is absurd and the complete lack of logic to the detriment of a beautiful picture.

 

[Mr goose]

I would not like to go into a useless discussion, but there are 2-3 "old" and consistent defenders of the author on the forum who justify him, no matter how clumsily the update looks. But if the Old Dog argues stylishly, even elegantly, sometimes citing very unexpected arguments, then Sabretooth rushes at any critic like a soldier with a knife on a tank. His actions are similar to the attempts of the owner of a car dealership to sell customers a bicycle instead of a paid Bentley, convincing that this is more useful and environmentally friendly.
Does Sabretooth seriously believe that the presented version of the gang event is logical and complete. That a crowd of sexually mature males, inflamed by the sexuality, pliability and defenselessness of the victim, would let her go at Aiden's command. Ha ha 3 times. They would have groped her until she burst into hysterics, and sent her home without stockings and panties with bruises and hickeys all over her body, having previously examined all her technological holes with their fingers. And this would be a logical and more realistic conclusion to this plot, despite all its absurdity. Since in such gangs authority rests either on strength or on fear. What does Aiden represent for these men, strength or fear? As I said earlier, the author shows a lack of logic not only in the game as a whole, but also in each of the main scenes. Of course, you can refer to the fact that this is a parody of porn anime for little boys with big dicks. But by this you agree that this product is absurd and the complete lack of logic to the detriment of a beautiful picture.

Calm down brother, feel the fabric.

 

[Sabertooth__]

I would not like to go into a useless discussion, but there are 2-3 "old" and consistent defenders of the author on the forum who justify him, no matter how clumsily the update looks. But if the Old Dog argues stylishly, even elegantly, sometimes citing very unexpected arguments, then Sabretooth rushes at any critic like a soldier with a knife on a tank. His actions are similar to the attempts of the owner of a car dealership to sell customers a bicycle instead of a paid Bentley, convincing that this is more useful and environmentally friendly.
Does Sabretooth seriously believe that the presented version of the gang event is logical and complete. That a crowd of sexually mature males, inflamed by the sexuality, pliability and defenselessness of the victim, would let her go at Aiden's command. Ha ha 3 times. They would have groped her until she burst into hysterics, and sent her home without stockings and panties with bruises and hickeys all over her body, having previously examined all her technological holes with their fingers. And this would be a logical and more realistic conclusion to this plot, despite all its absurdity. Since in such gangs authority rests either on strength or on fear. What does Aiden represent for these men, strength or fear? As I said earlier, the author shows a lack of logic not only in the game as a whole, but also in each of the main scenes. Of course, you can refer to the fact that this is a parody of porn anime for little boys with big dicks. But by this you agree that this product is absurd and the complete lack of logic to the detriment of a beautiful picture.

All I'll say is that there is enough fact given in the game showing Aiden's command over the guys. Aiden has strength in the form of actual criminal gangs mentioned "In the game" not my assumption. The police refuse to do anything to him. The guy was carrying a gun and yet he dare not defy Aiden. Aiden rules them and it has been clear. Nothing in the game contradicts that at any point. They all leave immediately as Aiden says during the day 16 scene and we see that happen here again. The black guy says he would have raped her, the only thing that prevented him from doing that was Aiden's command. So

All of what I mentioned is in the game and so there is no break in logic. What you have stated is headcannon that the guys should have done whatever you mentioned. That is your idea and nothing in the game backs that idea of yours.

I never reviewed the scene here. My honest opinions on the scene are

1. The scene doesn't move the plot, and is just fan service maybe because Aiden route is not coming back anytime soon. It does give more info about how dangerous the guys are and have weapons.

2. The writing was sub par, definitely not the best he can do. The scene was hot nevertheless but that had more to do with his art and not his writing skill.

3. The gang members should have been more rough but not like you described. Which brings me back to the fan service point. I can understand L&P's reason for holding back as an actual rough portrayal would have been too much at this stage of the game. A scene like this should have happened later in the game. L&P did force the scene here. But since it was too early. He gave it a more softer portrayal. Not the best idea.

In short the scene should have been a little more rougher for realism sake not as outrageous as you say. It won't be necessary. L&P should have waited on making this scene so he could do more justice to scenario he built.